Surtur W/Twilight Sword Vs DP Tyrant

Originally posted by Galan007
I have a 2 year old daughter. She has slapped me in the face.

Originally posted by Galan007
I have a 2 year old daughter. She has slapped me in the face. It stings like a motherphucker. However, my daughter being able to sting my cheek with a slap certainly doesn't mean her level of strength is remotely close to my own by default.

Now take that [albeit simple] analogy and scale it up to the cosmic level, and it should become much easier [for all] to comprehend the Thanos/Galactus 'scuffle', imho.

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Originally posted by zopzop
For phuck's sake, it was not a cheapshot :

Galactus was staring right at him and was about to kill him.

Staring right at someone doesn't mean you can't be caught off guard.
Why didn't Thanos just do it again to buy more time when Galactus got back?
Is it because he know the same thing wouldn't work the second time around?

Originally posted by Sundipped
This is an error filled post to say the least. I was tempted to put up a giant facepalm image.

Stop trolling and point out the errors. I'll repost for you

"It was a cheapshot because Galactus didn't know he was going to be attacked. He didn't brace, put up shields, block, or anything to defend against the blast. If Galactus knew the blast was coming then he would have defended against it. Why get hit with a blast on purpose when you know that it can hurt you on?
And if it wasn't a cheapshot then Thanos could have blasted him again when Galactus got back. But Thanos knew he wouldn't be able to do the same thing and put up shields.

Tyrant showed no energy blast output greater than Odin's average. His physical power IMO is greater than Odin's (he's stronger and possibly more durable against blunt attacks).

DP Tryant wasn't Galactus's equal. He had to drain Galactus in order to equal him. That means DP Tyrant starts under Galactus.

You have Gladiator matching Tyrant's power output. This means that Tyrant isn't too far above the highest high herald.

You have Tyrant only beating Gladiator through a cheapshot."

Originally posted by h1a8
Staring right at someone doesn't mean you can't be caught off guard.
Why didn't Thanos just do it again to buy more time when Galactus got back?
Is it because he know the same thing wouldn't work the second time around?

Why didn't Thanos steal the UN and use that to dissuade Galactus from creating the Crux and summoning the Hunger (since Thanos was on the ship and Galactus didn't even know it till Thanos announced himself)? He already hacked Galactus' encryption and could have easily found out where the UN is stored on his ship.

It's indisputable that Thanos did NOT sucker attack Galactus because Galactus turned to face him, threatened him, and was about to blast Thanos into dust.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
To start my friend... they are claiming it was a cheapshot.. they have ZERO proof it was other then.. look it effected him.. it wouldn't have effected him if he wasn't caught by surprise. I took care of that premise with a simple boxing analogy. So unless they have proof it was a cheapshot.. we'll stick with what we see in the comic.

lastly, your example is a bit off though... Thanos has blasting power far beyond a 2 year old compared to a grown man. It would be more analogous to a teenager punching a man. We've seen one shot kill high heralds and the like. One shot kill. We've seen both Galactus and odin blast heralds and not kill them. Now, I'm not claiming his blasting power is above theirs.. but I'm simply pointing out... Thanos is known for his blasting power and has the feats to show it. The one shotting of heralds... the one shotting of quasar's construct that numerous heralds coulnd't even do anything to.. the matching or near matching of an abstracts blasting power in the IB to name some. Point is, Thanos has some impressive blasting power feats.. including the Galactus one.

It was a cheapshot because Galactus didn't know he was going to be attacked. He didn't brace, put up shields, block, or anything to defend against the blast. If Galactus knew the blast was coming then he would have defended against it. Why get hit with a blast on purpose when you know that it can hurt you on?
And if it wasn't a cheapshot then Thanos could have blasted him again when Galactus got back. But Thanos knew he wouldn't be able to do the same thing and put up shields.

LOL at using Thanos mysterious feat of one shot killing Warlock as his average. We don't even know how Thanos did that. It looked like a freaking death curse (magic maybe) that Thanos did.

Thanos doesn't one shot heralds period. Gladiator matched Tryant in blasts. Does that mean he is Tyrant's equal or near equal?

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos doesn't one shot heralds period. Gladiator matched Tryant in blasts. Does that mean he is Tyrant's equal or near equal?

It's right there on panel.

Originally posted by zopzop
Why didn't Thanos avoid Galactus' blast and his Punishers by simply teleporting away?

Why didn't Thanos steal the UN and use that to dissuade Galactus from creating the Crux and summoning the Hunger (since Thanos was on the ship and Galactus didn't even know it till Thanos announced himself)? He already hacked Galactus' encryption and could have easily found out where the UN is stored on his ship.

It's indisputable that Thanos did NOT sucker attack Galactus because Galactus turned to face him, threatened him, and was about to blast Thanos into dust.

You are deluding yourself if you think that Galactus saw the blast coming and purposely did nothing about it.

You are deluding yourself if you believe that Thanos could achieve nearly the same results by blasting Galactus again when he got back.

The writer's intention was clear. Thanos couldn't achieve the same thing and that's why he put up his shields. You are going against writer's intentions in favor of some delusional and illogical fantasy.

As per example, I was cheapshotted once while talking calmly with someone. They smacked the shit out of me. I never saw it coming. I beat his ass afterwards though. You don't smack me like a ***** and get away with it lol.

Originally posted by zopzop
It means exactly what was stated by Tyrant on panel : He didn't want them dead. He wanted them as fuel to power his troops and ship. He toyed with them before putting them down.

It's right there on panel.

BS, the writer clearly showed Tyrant matching blasts with Gladiator. In that case he toyed with Thanos too and was far above him than what was seen.

honestly, this whole cheapshot issue is ludicrous. galan's analogy is a good one, and covers it completely. an even more basic point is simply--does anyone actually think thanos could have done what he did if galactus were actually prepped for that attack??

odin's immovability was under combat conditions. does anyone really think that under similar conditions/mindset thanos could have done MORE to galactus than he did to odin?? if you think yes, welllllll......you might wanna tap out on the lead paint chips. so, what's left? g was NOT ready (certainly not any kind of combat ready) for what thanos did. it's not a "both" type scenario. he was either ready and would therefore weather it at LEAST as well as odin did, or he was NOT ready and, well, we saw what happened. or door #3 of course, which is odin>>>>galactus.

so, which is it?

Originally posted by h1a8
As per example, I was cheapshotted once while talking calmly with someone. They smacked the shit out of me.

Originally posted by h1a8
Stop trolling and point out the errors. I'll repost for you

"It was a cheapshot because Galactus didn't know he was going to be attacked. He didn't brace, put up shields, block, or anything to defend against the blast. If Galactus knew the blast was coming then he would have defended against it. Why get hit with a blast on purpose when you know that it can hurt you on?
And if it wasn't a cheapshot then Thanos could have blasted him again when Galactus got back. But Thanos knew he wouldn't be able to do the same thing and put up shields.

Tyrant showed no energy blast output greater than Odin's average. His physical power IMO is greater than Odin's (he's stronger and possibly more durable against blunt attacks).

DP Tryant wasn't Galactus's equal. He had to drain Galactus in order to equal him. That means DP Tyrant starts under Galactus.

You have Gladiator matching Tyrant's power output. This means that Tyrant isn't too far above the highest high herald.

You have Tyrant only beating Gladiator through a cheapshot."

Lol!
Tyrant was directly in front of Galactus and got his blast no sold. G wasn't expecting that either. Just give Thanos his props. Thanos no doubt put a lot of effort into that blast to be able to do that. It wasn't a cheap shot, Thanos just reacted quicker.

Lol#2:
How do you figure Tyrant's output<Odins? Thanos was tanking and charging through Odin's blasts. Every shot from Tyrant sent Thanos flying and crashing through shit. The discrepancy is quite clear.

The statement G made "I will need all my strength for such a foe", gives you an indication on what level opposition he is facing. This means Tyrant can roughly be in the same ballpark as G at any given time. That is cemented by the fact Tyrant drained all of G's energies and became the stronger force in the 2nd fight. They had a relationship in which G's feeding caused Tyrant pain. These are 2 beings so affected by planetary scale energies, that it would be extremely difficult for one to coexist with the other. There's your other indication of Tyrants powerlevel.

Lol#3:
Gladiator matched eyebeams with PF Scott too so I guess Glads=PF Scott right? Even with Glads stating that was his full might, he couldn't hold off Tyrant for more than a panel. Those same eyebeams from Tyrant left Glads body smoking at which point Glads was basically useless. Where's the cheapshot?

Extra lol for you thinking Gladiator had ANY kind of a shot whatsoever. He got 2 shotted by Tyrant's drones for Christ sake.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Still waiting on that proof that is was a cheapshot. Your explanation of.. well it hit him and moved him.. thus it must've been doesn't work. I used a perfect analogy to show that even when knowing some thing coming and expecting it.. doesn't mean you won't get hit by it or KO'd. Your argument was fallacy based and it was handled as such.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No what it shows is that is how powerful Tyrant is... Not only does he not have easy weaknessses to exploit.. but an inferior clone can get the better of Odin with a little prep and utter ease. The real deal with more prep and an amp can't even get the better of Tyrant. Yes, it should how big the gap in power is.. or at the very least.. the gap in exploitable weaknesses.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No, Dp Tyrant refused to give up his PRIZED herald. If I ask for my baseball cards back.. does it matter that you gave me Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Jr. and Mark Mcquire cards back.. when you still kept my mickey mantle rookie and what I was mainly going there for? Galactus went there for his prized position and was promptly told to get lost and kick rocks cause you weren't getting it. Surely, if Galactus was so much above Tyrant.. he would've choosen to engage him right there and take him. He didn't. Wonder why? Hmmmm maybe because Tyrant was a legit threat.. something the writer was beating us over the head with.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Tyrant was made in Galactus image.. it's that simple. He was meant to be Galactus equal and the writer made it clear as day he was that kinda threat. He literally beat us over the head with narration and actions from Galactus that make it clear he was a legit threat and an equal. Let me ask you this

1. If you believe Tyrant is Galactus equal or very close to it.. would it be horrible logic to then consider him above Odin?

2. Isn't it true that there was plenty of narration and actions from Galactus that the writer wanted us to view Tyrant as a legit threat to Galactus and a powerful Character. Is that fair to say?

And you know better.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I just showed you how feats don't mean anything.

Thanos' punch toppled DP Tyrant. Thanos' punch didn't budge Odin. A weakened Surfer took several of DP Tyrant's shots before being put down. A non-weakened Surfer got one-shotted immediately. DP Tyrant's got pretty much no independent feats of power comparable to Odin's many feats. I accept DP Tyrant's feats for what they are. And I also accept Odin's feats for what they are. What exactly leads you to believe that completely ignoring all those facts leads to a better, more insightful analysis?

That's a rhetorical question. You obviously know it doesn't. You're just content to witlessly blunder through your charade. And I am equally content with deconstructing it along with everybody else.

Surtur wins because he has accomplished what no comic character has ever accomplished 😄

Originally posted by ODG
I already told you the proof: Galactus got sent flying by a much less powerful attack than he's tanked throughout his career. Res ipsa loquitur. The thing speaks for itself. Unless you want to admit Thor hits harder than Thanos? And you forced a rather stupid analogy to cover up the more appropriate analogies I've provided (and which are being reinforced by others now). You can stop pretending to not have noticed. That a clone of Thanos admitted Odin beat him and rather than face him again directly, completely avoided a fight? That makes DP Tyrant more powerful? Not really. Your exaggeration of non-feats doesn't change anything. And the fact that a Thanosi was so butthurt over it all and willing to debase himself by using cowardly, conniving tactics instead of directly confronting him is plenty illustrative. Just not the way you wanted. DP Tyrant admitted he should flee first. Are you going to lie about this also? Are you really? Go ahead and lie. Tyrant was originally fashioned in Galactus' image. DP Tyrant wasn't his equal in power. Those two facts are not mutually exclusive of each other. I'll thank you for not insulting my intelligence any further on this point by suggesting some sort of false dichotomy is at play here. The desperation of such an attempt would be ridiculous if it weren't so transparent. Accordingly, your leading questions are rendered wholly irrelevant. For instance, Surfer's warnings to Galactus in the World Seed arc and Galactus' relenting of his attack made the Asgardians out to be like the most threatening beings he'd faced in a long time. But twisting character statements and plot circumstances does not suffice to replace feats and fights.

And you know better. Don't be absurd. Just because you don't like how the evidence stacks up, doesn't mean you get to pretend you're some arbiter of facts to eliminate what you like and don't like. It's glaringly obvious you're only ignoring them because of the obvious consequences of comparing them. But that's putting the cart before the horse and then trying to blame it on the horse.

Thanos' punch toppled DP Tyrant. Thanos' punch didn't budge Odin. A weakened Surfer took several of DP Tyrant's shots before being put down. A non-weakened Surfer got one-shotted immediately. DP Tyrant's got pretty much no independent feats of power comparable to Odin's many feats. I accept DP Tyrant's feats for what they are. And I also accept Odin's feats for what they are. What exactly leads you to believe that completely ignoring all those facts leads to a better, more insightful analysis?

That's a rhetorical question. You obviously know it doesn't. You're just content to witlessly blunder through your charade. And I am equally content with deconst
ructing it along with everybody else.

As usual... you were wrong about so much. The scans CLEARLY state the following...

1. Galactus was there for HIS herald Morg. He mentions this NUMEROUS times and is only concerned with geting him back. he even tells tyrant you can keep all the others just give me morg back. So you misrepresenting the scene to be like Tyrant back down and gave up his heralds is totally and completly wrong. Galactus backed down and let Tyrant keep the one thing he was there for.. i.e. just as I said.. Galactus backed down

2. Further, the dialogue between them is as I said... galactus specifically notes that a "WAR" between them.. think about that word... a WAR... not a battle.. not a fight.. but a war. This clearly shows that Galactus even believes it will be a long encounter that will take quite sometime to resolve. Hmmm sounds very familiar doesn't it? Like the long long thousands of year war between them long ago. Again this illustrates what I've said... Tyrant was made to be his equal and since regaining his power back "and now at the height of his powers" he is once again close to his equal and a long battle would ensure.

3. Galactus mentions that a fight between them would cause "destruction like the universe has never seen" Whch again, makes clear how hard it would be and how much damage would be caused. So I was spot on in saying Galactus referenced collaterial damage. Surfer further backs this up when he says "even if you were to win.. you woudl rule over rubble" Again illustrating the destruction that would occur and how powerful Tyrant is.

Nice try in misrepresnting the scans and acting like I was wrong.. when in fact I was spot on.

I totally crushed your theory that had Galactus been ready nothing would've happened to him. My analogy was exponentionally better than the one you provided. I showed that even if somebody is expecting it.. doesn't mean they wont' be hit or ko'd or sent flying. You act like Thanos' blast power isn't something powerful enough to do that. When I laid out numerous examples of it being just that. Powerful. We are talking about a child here... we're talking about somebody that has one shot killed high heralds. Yeah, it's that powerful.

You simply can't get around teh fact that a weaker thanos with prep punked Odin with ease. Yet, the real deal thanos with more prep and an amp couldn't beat Tyrant. That speaks volumes about their level of power and weaknesses to exploit.

You keep on trying to harp on Odin has more feats Odin has more feats while leaving out how obvious a fallacy that is. Odin has MANY more appearances so of course he'll have more feats. That doesn't prove who is more powerful. Odin also has more feats than COIE monitor.. does mean he's more powerful. He also has more feats than the Ultimator.. doesn't mean he's more powerful.. in fact we know he's not. Shit, Odin has more feats than the LT.. doesn't make him more powerful does it? Point is, more feats doesn't always mean more powerful as I've clearly shown with numerous examples. When characters have similiar amount of appearances and written comparably well.. then that is a good test. not when one character has only appeared in 10 total comics and the other has appeared in hundreds. Fallacy 101.

What we are left with.. is Tyrant clearly doign better than Odin has against the same foes.... Tyrant beat an amped and prepped Thanos and made him leave and concede inferiority. A non amped or prepped Thanos who wasn't even looking for a fight never backed down from Odin and never conceded a thing. Odin one shots himself on a Galactus who didn't even seem the slighest bit worried about fighting Odin. Galactus backs down from Tyrant the first time they meet and admits a WAR between them would cause a lot of destruction the likes that has never been seen. Tyrant later on when they do fight beats Galactus. Much better than one shotting himself. ALl in all what we are left with is the clear presentation that Tyrant is above odin, even if slightly.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
As usual... you were wrong about so much. The scans CLEARLY state the following...

1. Galactus was there for HIS herald Morg. He mentions this NUMEROUS times and is only concerned with geting him back. he even tells tyrant you can keep all the others just give me morg back. So you misrepresenting the scene to be like Tyrant back down and gave up his heralds is totally and completly wrong. Galactus backed down and let Tyrant keep the one thing he was there for.. i.e. just as I said.. Galactus backed down

Go ahead, lie about this. Even though I just posted the scan, I wouldn't even put it above you to keep lying about it at this point.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
2. Further, the dialogue between them is as I said... galactus specifically notes that a "WAR" between them.. think about that word... a WAR... not a battle.. not a fight.. but a war. This clearly shows that Galactus even believes it will be a long encounter that will take quite sometime to resolve. Hmmm sounds very familiar doesn't it? Like the long long thousands of year war between them long ago. Again this illustrates what I've said... Tyrant was made to be his equal and since regaining his power back "and now at the height of his powers" he is once again close to his equal and a long battle would ensure.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
3. Galactus mentions that a fight between them would cause "destruction like the universe has never seen" Whch again, makes clear how hard it would be and how much damage would be caused. So I was spot on in saying Galactus referenced collaterial damage. Surfer further backs this up when he says "even if you were to win.. you woudl rule over rubble" Again illustrating the destruction that would occur and how powerful Tyrant is.

Nice try in misrepresnting the scans and acting like I was wrong.. when in fact I was spot on.

You're wrong. You misrepresent facts. You lie about facts. And I stopped being surprised by it long ago.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I totally crushed your theory that had Galactus been ready nothing would've happened to him. My analogy was exponentionally better than the one you provided. I showed that even if somebody is expecting it.. doesn't mean they wont' be hit or ko'd or sent flying. You act like Thanos' blast power isn't something powerful enough to do that. When I laid out numerous examples of it being just that. Powerful. We are talking about a child here... we're talking about somebody that has one shot killed high heralds. Yeah, it's that powerful.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You simply can't get around teh fact that a weaker thanos with prep punked Odin with ease. Yet, the real deal thanos with more prep and an amp couldn't beat Tyrant. That speaks volumes about their level of power and weaknesses to exploit.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You keep on trying to harp on Odin has more feats Odin has more feats while leaving out how obvious a fallacy that is.

But go ahead and lie about how DP Tyrant didn't admit he should flee. I'm sure your lying and the subsequent report will somehow turn an unextraordinary and irrelevant plot circumstance into an actual feat that surpasses what Odin's accomplished. Going full KuRuPTard also means you try to make something out of nothing and forget the big picture. But we know why you try and forget the big picture, because it hurts your butt. That's no excuse to lie.

Originally posted by ODG
Lie about DP Tyrant saying he should flee first one more time. Then I'll report you for lying. Go ahead. I don't even care that you're essentially accusing me of misrepresenting stuff. Go ahead and lie that DP Tyrant wasn't the one who first mentioned that he ought to flee:

Go ahead, lie about this. Even though I just posted the scan, I wouldn't even put it above you to keep lying about it at this point. Nobody cares that Tyrant was originally fashioned in his image. DP Tyrant was not his equal because a long battle never ensued and DP Tyrant had to resort to yoinking his powers. Heck, he had to do it by using Galactus' own machines. You were just confused when you kept mentioning galactic damage. And you're also completely ignorant to the fact that no "destruction like the universe has never seen" even occurred in their actual fight. Hype is hype. Not feats.

You're wrong. You misrepresent facts. You lie about facts. And I stopped being surprised by it long ago. Galactus and Thanos aren't boxers. Thanos even called himself "lilliputian" compared to Galactus. Look that word up, or continue acting like a mental midget. I don't even care that a Thanosi was so butthurt he had to resort to sending a lackey to poison Odin. It's a complete non-feat. The only thing that speaks volumes is that Thanos knocked DP Tyrant to the floor and never budged Odin. That's not a fallacy. It's common sense. Get over that fact that DP Tyrant hasn't done anything close to teleporting an entire planet's population in a blink, or stopping/reversing time planet-wide, creating an entire planet just by walking in space, forcibly channeling universe-busting energies into another dimension, etc. Heck, what probably really makes your butt bleed is that fact that galaxies were actually threatened by collateral damage in his fights, but not DP Tyrant.

But go ahead and lie about how DP Tyrant didn't admit he should flee. I'm sure your lying and the subsequent report will somehow turn an unextraordinary and irrelevant plot circumstance into an actual feat that surpasses what Odin's accomplished. Going full KuRuPTard also means you try to make something out of nothing and forget the big picture. But we know why you try and forget the big picture, because it hurts your butt. That's no excuse to lie.

I never even mentioned who said they would flee first.. didn't even bring that up. Go ahead and report me for somethign I didn't bring up LULZ... what an ignoramus hahaha. What we DID see is... Galactus SAYIGN he's not leaving until he gets his herald back... Tyrant flat out says no kick rocks... Galacus procedes to BACK DOWN FROM HIS CLAIM that he wasn't leaving till he got his herald. So yes, Galactus did back down.

Funny how you don't even mention your lies and misrepresenting of facts. You acted like it was a big deal that Galactus got to take back all these heralds.. like he got more than Tyrant did and thus he didn't back down and won the arrangement. That couldn't be further from the truth... Galatus didn't even care about the other heralds... he was ONLY there for his one herald and he made this clear over and over again. nice try on misreprenting the scene for what it was. Do so again and I'll report you!!!1 Nah, only a lame like you would say such things.. I won't report you.. I'll just continue to tool you in the debate.

Actually it very much matters how Tyratn was created. Because DP tyrant is virtually the same character and had all his power back. In fact, one could argue he was even more powerful says he referenced being at the height of his power and ready to challenge galactus again. A beign equal to galactus is above Odin. Period. The fact is, that Galactus een mentions a war between them... key word is WAR... not a battle.. not a fight... A WAR. This means a long drawn out battle that could take a very long time to resolve. This is in stark contrast to how he views Odin and a battle with him. No such reservations.. no such use of terms... nothing of the sort. Shit, galactus went there looking for something.. odin said too bad... Galactus said fine I'm going to take it. Hmmmmmm he tried that with Tyrant... and ending leaving without his prize.

I love how you ignore the numerous examples I gave you... tell me.. Is odin more powerful than The ultimator or COIE Monitor? Just because you have more feats doesn't mean you're more powerful. I showed you countless examples of this. So you trying to parade around like you're making a point is not only laughable but pretty stuipd. Odin has countless more appearance than Tyrant so OF COURSE he will have more feats. What matters is how the characters were portrayed and the feats Tyrant did have in his limited showings. Which all point to him bieng above Odin. simple.

@ODG
You didn't finish that series of panels :

Originally posted by zopzop

Lest people doubt how serious Galactus was in getting Morg back :

A pissed off and determined Galactus goes seeking to retrieve his herald, takes Tyrant by surprise, and winds up walking away without the very thing he was after!

EDIT :
Forgot to add that was a FED Galactus. He fed on a world "lush with life".

Ohhh but zop.... ODG would have people believe Galactus actually won the encounter because he got more peeps from tyrant...intentionally leaving out the fact that he didn't even care about them and only wanted morg and told tyrant to keep the others. We know, we've read it and aren't fooled.

@ KuRuPT Thanosi
Oh I know. I don't get why people don't want to give credit where credit is due (regarding Tyrant in his first encounter from his exile vis a vis Galactus).