Originally posted by Nibedicus
So you're saying that any noob with a gun would be able to kill someone who's survived and quite possibly thrived as an assassin and spy in a world filled with super-powered villains as long as they get her name and location?Well, you know what, believe what you want. I just happen to disagree.
And where did I say I was a spy??? In fact I made it abundantly clear that I was NOT. Are you reading my posts backwards or something?
No I'm not, all I said was anyone with youtube can look up some crazy things. More importantly taking out someone like BW would probably be easier with poison or explosions with massive collateral damage.
When I said don't act like your a spy I should have said like you are a spy since I doubt anyone on this forum is a spy it wasn't directed specifically at you but a general statement.
Originally posted by Newjak
It's not though, they just keep their senses open for anything out of place. Hearing, smell as well as sight. And they keep their head on a swivel.
I was specifically referring to sensing something from behind, not having seen it.
If I placed a bomb in a public place (lets say in the garbage bin she walks pass everyday), would she "sense" it?
BW would walk pass thousands of people during peak hour in the city, there is no way in a real life setting, she could see every person's face and "detect" that something is amiss. Lets say 100 people walks pass her every second, can she really scan them all? Unless someone is blatantly displaying warning signs, she would not be aware. And I would blend into the crowd from BEHIND, never appearing in her field of vision.
I think the point that Newjak is trying to get across is that while Black Widow may not be aware that you are coming to kill her, she has a heightened sense of reality due to her training, which gives her the benefit of finding you out faster than your average joe. Trip up at all and your cover is blown.
Have you guys seen the Bourne trilogy series? IIRC, in the first film, when they are in a (diner?) Bourne is talking about how he subconsciously has to sit with his back against his wall looking at the patrons, counts the people inside, looks at the cars outside, etc. And he does this passively while having a conversation. It would be the same basic idea just escalated to comic book proportions. She has no reason to suspect you, but if you seem suspicious in anyway she will notice. And all you guys thinking that you will walk up nonchalant, without keeping eyes on your target, and pop her without her noticing you are about to do so must be pretty confident in your abilities.
Originally posted by Blair WindThis all the way.
I think the point that Newjak is trying to get across is that while Black Widow may not be aware that you are coming to kill her, she has a heightened sense of reality due to her training, which gives her the benefit of finding you out faster than your average joe. Trip up at all and your cover is blown.Have you guys seen the Bourne trilogy series? IIRC, in the first film, when they are in a (diner?) Bourne is talking about how he subconsciously has to sit with his back against his wall looking at the patrons, counts the people inside, looks at the cars outside, etc. And he does this passively while having a conversation. It would be the same basic idea just escalated to comic book proportions. She has no reason to suspect you, but if you seem suspicious in anyway she will notice. And all you guys thinking that you will walk up nonchalant, without keeping eyes on your target, and pop her without her noticing you are about to do so must be pretty confident in your abilities.
No one here is nearly as skilled as it would take to get the drop a comic book level spy assassin much less one in the league of the Black Widow.
Originally posted by PlacidityHow do you know she walks past that garbage can everyday.
I was specifically referring to sensing something from behind, not having seen it.If I placed a bomb in a public place (lets say in the garbage bin she walks pass everyday), would she "sense" it?
BW would walk pass thousands of people during peak hour in the city, there is no way in a real life setting, she could see every person's face and "detect" that something is amiss. Lets say 100 people walks pass her every second, can she really scan them all? Unless someone is blatantly displaying warning signs, she would not be aware. And I would blend into the crowd from BEHIND, never appearing in her field of vision.
She is a high level comic book spy she probably doesn't even have a set routine you could pick up on.
She might not even stay in the same building every night.
Just because we know her basic routine doesn't mean it is a routine we can understand or rely on.
Acting like she does have something like that is selling her short imo.
What if BW's like Archer and she just hammers out all her info at the drop of a hat, and is only good in actual missions?
I mean, it's not like her identity has ever been secret in any comic... which you'd think would be part of being a super spy
I mean, her last appearance had a bunch of men within touching range of her, she wanted to perform torture to get what she wanted by taking a sock out, and putting it back in, and then shooting a bunch of men in a hotel room (?) with an unsilenced weapon... that went against what her partner wanted.
SUPER SPY
Originally posted by Odekahn
Scenario 1: sell the knives to get money for a cab, take the cab to a different city. Buy a mask. Rob a few gas stations with your gun. Use the money to buy hench men. Rob a bank. Hire The sinister six to do it for me.
mmm
You should probably use Greyhound for the "get to a different city" part of your plan.
Much cheaper than a cab.
If BW is unaware then why wouldn't it be easy just to walk up on her from behind and shoot her? She doesn't have spidey senses or anything.
In the summertime (or warm climate) it would be very hard though. But in climate where coats or jackets are worn then it would be easy. Just hide the gun in your coat.
Originally posted by Newjak
How do you know she walks past that garbage can everyday.She is a high level comic book spy she probably doesn't even have a set routine you could pick up on.
She might not even stay in the same building every night.
Just because we know her basic routine doesn't mean it is a routine we can understand or rely on.
Acting like she does have something like that is selling her short imo.
First you didn't answer my hypothetical to prove a point.
More importantly - I already told you, the knowledge is given to you, it is within you.
Are you trying to change my scenario to fit your own conclusion?
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Have you guys seen the Bourne trilogy series? IIRC, in the first film, when they are in a (diner?) Bourne is talking about how he subconsciously has to sit with his back against his wall looking at the patrons, counts the people inside, looks at the cars outside, etc. And he does this passively while having a conversation. It would be the same basic idea just escalated to comic book proportions. She has no reason to suspect you, but if you seem suspicious in anyway she will notice. And all you guys thinking that you will walk up nonchalant, without keeping eyes on your target, and pop her without her noticing you are about to do so must be pretty confident in your abilities.
This Bourne comparison is good. In fact, I would say BW's awareness is even better. That still doesn't mean she can detect things she cannot see especially when she isn't on high alert.
But the differences are:
1. Bourne was on high alert.
2. Bourne's movements were erratic, not going about normal, routine life.
3. Because of 2, his enemies did not know where he would be, and often gave away signs while ascertaining his whereabouts.
4. Also because of 2, his enemies had to make fast moves on Bourne, they didn't have time to use slower tactics.
Case in point
Bourne Identity: Castel gives himself away with noise, he takes on Bourne 1 on 1.
Bourne Identity: The Professor gives himself away with the missing dog. Again, no one else around, 1v1 setting.
Bourne Supremacy: Kirill is spotted by Bourne first. He stands out, he even stares at Bourne, gives himself away. In this case, he doesn't even care, he has an ego, he thinks he can better Bourne.
The Bourne Ultimatum: Paz. Bourne is on extreme high alert. The movement of CCTV camera's give him away. I imagine if Bourne was still an asset, NOT a fugitive, walking in that same train station, with no warning signs or reason to suspect anything, he would've been killed, even if it was someone just walking up behind him. Anonymity is a spy/assassin's greatest protection. Look at Tony Stark in IM3, he tells Mandarin where he lives. He is Iron Man - so what? People are still going to blow his house up. There is no magical rule that makes it harder, especially in a realistic setting. I'm sure before this movie came out, and if that was the scenario on this topic, people would've said "you can't just kill Tony by blowing his house up, he is Iron Man".
The Bourne Ultimatum: Bourne also eyed men who had the right build to be an assassin, as seen in the train station. He was not concerned with average joes, one look at the bald guy with a huge build, how he walked, and he knew. And in reality, that would be the smart thing to do, the CIA (or anyone) isn't going to send someone who knows nothing and untrained. We wouldn't have the same mannerisms. But still a moot point, BW would never see me from behind.
Huge Bourne fan btw.
Originally posted by Placidity
More importantly - I already told you, the knowledge is given to you, it is within you.Are you trying to change my scenario to fit your own conclusion?
Actually, to be fair, YOU changed the scenario quite a bit (something that by the rules the OP is not allowed to do past a certain number of posts) with "clarifications" that kinda changed the whole direction of the thread.
It started off with simple "whereabouts".
Then moved on to knowing her location and routines (routine is NOT part of whereabouts, btw).
Then now are you saying that you have some sort of unerring tracking sense that gets adjusted as to make an erratic routine/daily practice (something a spy/assassin who has concerns over her enemies finding her would no doubt have as safeguards in her day-to-day) meaningless?