You Vs Villains II

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually, to be fair, YOU changed the scenario quite a bit (something that by the rules the OP is not allowed to do past a certain number of posts) with "clarifications" that kinda changed the whole direction of the thread.

It started off with simple "whereabouts".

Then moved on to knowing her location and routines (routine is NOT part of whereabouts, btw).

Then now are you saying that you have some sort of unerring tracking sense that gets adjusted as to make an erratic routine/daily practice (something a spy/assassin who has concerns over her enemies finding her would no doubt have as safeguards in her day-to-day) meaningless?

Elaborating has now suddenly become "changing the scenario".

Originally posted by curryman
Elaborating has now suddenly become "changing the scenario".

Check definition of "whereabouts".

Routine was never part of the original stips and only came much later.

Originally posted by Placidity
First you didn't answer my hypothetical to prove a point.

More importantly - I already told you, the knowledge is given to you, it is within you.

Are you trying to change my scenario to fit your own conclusion?

So you're saying I magically know anything and everything she is going to do for the day? Even if she doesn't have a set routine?

So I magically know she is going to be on the corner of 5th and 4th at exactly 10:10 am on Tuesday even if there is no preset routine that takes her by there on Tuesday?

And that I know on Monday she will be walking towards a drop off at 6:00 pm even if she didn't know where she was going before that day?

Originally posted by Newjak
You're hypothetical was useless.

I take your refusal to answer a simple question as a quiet concession then.

Originally posted by Newjak
You will never be able to sneak up on BW from behind. She would hear you coming long before you ever got close enough to do anything.

What??? I'm in a huge crowd, what are you on about.

Originally posted by Newjak

So you're saying I magically know anything and everything she is going to do for the day? Even if she doesn't have a set routine?

No, you know her whereabouts, where she frequents, what time, IN GENERAL. And obviously in this scenario she DOES have a routine, because I stated YOU KNOW HER ROUTINE. It's like someone going to/from work every day. It's such a simple concept, but you want to argue it over and over.

And yes its "magical", because it was knowledge imparted to you by Bat-mite.

And yes, if you win, you "magically" get Batman's stealth skills. Are you going to argue that too?

I find it humorous that, for a character with 1000+ appearances, none of us have any scans of her either A) being snuck up on or B) her spotting an ambush with super-spy skills.

The argument is stale at this point, I still think my scenario is successful, though clearly BW is more than a match for any of us if it isn't an overwhelming surprise attack.

I just, you know, think it speaks to the character that some of the biggest comic nerds on the internet have no specific references to her feats. Like we could all care less. (also, it means people who are arguing she could stop us are arguing power-sets rather than character, but this was hand-waved away pages ago... just saying)

Who are you calling a nerd, you phucking nerd!?

Originally posted by Placidity
I take your refusal to answer a simple question as a quiet concession then.

What??? I'm in a huge crowd, what are you on about.

No, you know her whereabouts, where she frequents, what time, IN GENERAL. And obviously in this scenario she DOES have a routine, because I stated YOU KNOW HER ROUTINE. It's like someone going to/from work every day. It's such a simple concept, but you want to argue it over and over.

And yes its "magical", because it was knowledge imparted to you by Bat-mite.

And yes, if you win, you "magically" get Batman's stealth skills. Are you going to argue that too?

Yup because that's what comic book spies do much like Jason Bourne realizes he is being tailed even when from behind.

What does that entail are you saying a super spy from comic books is going to follow a routine that easily going to get them killed?

Like I said she may not have a set routine that takes her to work from day to day. She is a spy after all not a 9-5er like the rest of us. She doesn't really have an office.

So you're just making her do things she otherwise wouldn't do.

Originally posted by Oliver North
I find it humorous that, for a character with 1000+ appearances, none of us have any scans of her either A) being snuck up on or B) her spotting an ambush with super-spy skills.

The argument is stale at this point, I still think my scenario is successful, though clearly BW is more than a match for any of us if it isn't an overwhelming surprise attack.

I just, you know, think it speaks to the character that some of the biggest comic nerds on the internet have no specific references to her feats. Like we could all care less. (also, it means people who are arguing she could stop us are arguing power-sets rather than character, but this was hand-waved away pages ago... just saying)

What surprised me more was she doesn't have a respect thread 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
Most of my stuff that I did have was when she was working with Bucky as Captain America and she had some good feats there but I don't have those scans anymore.

What surprised me more was she doesn't have a respect thread 😛

That surprised me, too.

One thing that bothers me is that people assume that they are this uber confident, smooth and unwavering killer that can just sneak up to someone who should be able to easily make them if they slip up in any way. I mean, this is about killing someone (I'm hoping none of us in this board have downright murdered someone in cold blood IRL) face to face who would easily, if given the chance, kill us quickly or in some horrible KGB-trained fashion if we even give her a chance. If my life was on the line if I made a mistake, I'd no doubt be nervous as hell, and it would show in my face or at least my mannerisms (I get shakey hands, sweat and have to get frequent deep breaths when I get nervous for example). And it's not like we're magically teleported behind her either, a lot of us, gotta wait her out in corners/alleys in the hopes of her coming out and the stress would easily grind out whatever "killer finesse" some of us may think we have here.

Now, I'm sure some of us here might have military training, but many of us are just comic geeks or have simple desk jobs.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
That surprised me, too.

One thing that bothers me is that people assume that they are this uber confident, smooth and unwavering killer that can just sneak up to someone who should be able to easily make them if they slip up in any way. I mean, this is about killing someone (I'm hoping none of us in this board have downright murdered someone in cold blood IRL) face to face who would easily, if given the chance, kill us quickly or in some horrible KGB-trained fashion if we even give her a chance. If my life was on the line if I made a mistake, I'd no doubt be nervous as hell, and it would show in my face or at least my mannerisms (I get shakey hands, sweat and have to get frequent deep breaths when I get nervous for example). And it's not like we're magically teleported behind her either, a lot of us, gotta wait her out in corners/alleys in the hopes of her coming out and the stress would easily grind out whatever "killer finesse" some of us may think we have here.

Now, I'm sure some of us here might have military training, but many of us are just comic geeks or have simple desk jobs.

I'm a second degree black belt.

Originally posted by Newjak
Most of my stuff that I did have was when she was working with Bucky as Captain America and she had some good feats there but I don't have those scans anymore.

What surprised me more was she doesn't have a respect thread 😛

for sure, I just looked a bunch of her stuff up (solo titles, one-shots mostly), she is bad ass. She still gets snuck up on (including by giant robots at times), or walks into traps enough, while on missions, that it isn't unreasonable to think it is possible to get the drop on her.

lots of wicked feats though. Thats almost what I was saying, it is a character Marvel obviously wants to be taken seriously.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Now, I'm sure some of us here might have military training, but many of us are just comic geeks or have simple desk jobs.

so, the old if-you-aren't-a-willing-and-able-murderer-IRL-you-can't-participate-in-this-thread argument?

you're right, CIS on I wouldn't randomly murder someone, my bad for wanting to argue about comic book characters, peace!

Originally posted by Oliver North
so, the old if-you-aren't-a-willing-and-able-murderer-IRL-you-can't-participate-in-this-thread argument?

you're right, CIS on I wouldn't randomly murder someone, my bad for wanting to argue about comic book characters, peace!

Is it just me or do you tend to have strange interpretations of what I'm trying to say?

I said none of that. Please reread. I merely stated that many of us are normal people that aren't cold blooded killers and would no doubt experience certain levels of stress the minute we are put in life-or-death gamble scenarios that require us to perform extremely out-of-character acts of violence. Most of us are decent human beings after all.

The WHOLE hypothetical scenario as per OP is that this is YOU living in a world full of supervillains. Meaning that it'll have hypothetical repurcussions (as per OP, if we fail, we die) for your hypothetical self. And that, when put within this kind of life-or-death kill-or-be-killed scenario, the stress and fear SHOULD no doubt make us sloppy or show up in ways a spy should be able to pick out in a crowd.

Hell, the OP even states that a lot of this has to do with "having the balls to pull it off".

But, hey, if some people wanna paint themselves as some sort of internet real life badass, then go ahead. Remember that, as per OP, each of us would have different answers here.

This is confusing. Do I get my training or not?

you do

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Is it just me or do you tend to have strange interpretations of what I'm trying to say?

no, considering you just repeated exactly what I implied again...

look, this is like when you argued my plan relied too much on BW "walking down a street" or "having to wait somewhere for a few hours", your points have become trivial.

So, yes, you are right, I don't have the balls to murder someone, therefore I, by default, can't clear scenario 1. Sorry for thinking this was more about the characters and their powers than about my own psyche, you totally win the internet.

Originally posted by Oliver North
no, considering you just repeated exactly what I implied again...

look, this is like when you argued my plan relied too much on BW "walking down a street" or "having to wait somewhere for a few hours", your points have become trivial.

So, yes, you are right, I don't have the balls to murder someone, therefore I, by default, can't clear scenario 1. Sorry for thinking this was more about the characters and their powers than about my own psyche, you totally win the internet.

Never said you can't participate. And this isn't just about powersets, you might wanna reread the stipulations.

Hell, I don't have the balls to murder someone, thus I argue that I can't clear scenario 1. Doesn't mean I CAN'T participate in the debate. So I don't know where you're getting your little "if-you-aren't-a-willing-and-able-murderer-IRL-you-can't-participate-in-this-thread argument". I'm not willing to murder someone-IRL but I'm sure as hell participating.

The fact that the OP stated:

Originally posted by Placidity
The game is all about risk and reward, you can stop at any round you like, if you think the odds are too great to overcome.

You get to keep your rewards (including previously earned ones) even if you quit.

All rewards stack even skills.

Remember, if you lose, you die. In a real life scenario, when would you call it quits?

This isn't just about powersets. This is about YOU (as a person) deciding whether or not it is possible within a risk-reward scenario if such risks to self are worth the reward.

At best, this thread ASSUMES that we are WILLING to kill to get the rewards but it DOES NOT ASSUME that we suddenly turn into stone-cold murdering psychopaths. That is why, my argument, has always been that many of us would easily have the stress get to us eventually and the many "tells" that humans give out when under stress could no doubt give us away.

exactly, like I said, you are right, well done 🙂

Originally posted by Oliver North
exactly, like I said, you are right, well done 🙂

Well, thanks.

😮‍💨

Not exactly what you said, but w/e.

Originally posted by Placidity
Ok gang,

Some clarification as requested:

- Real life setting. PIS is off.

- You start off with whatever skills YOU have. Not the average person, YOU. So if you are already an expert marksman, your answer might be different to someone else's.

- Gun = Pistol

- For round 1 you can use whatever resources YOU have in the seven days.

I can't speak for anyone else, but while I've never killed anyone and do not have any military training I have fired a gun several times, am a pretty good shot, and can be pretty ruthless in real life when the situation calls for it. Given that the OP also allows me my real world resources (so I'm assuming my personal income and vehicle, and my resources like job, etc) I think I'd be pretty well positioned to bust a cap in this chick without issue.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
That surprised me, too.

One thing that bothers me is that people assume that they are this uber confident, smooth and unwavering killer that can just sneak up to someone who should be able to easily make them if they slip up in any way. I mean, this is about killing someone (I'm hoping none of us in this board have downright murdered someone in cold blood IRL) face to face who would easily, if given the chance, kill us quickly or in some horrible KGB-trained fashion if we even give her a chance. If my life was on the line if I made a mistake, I'd no doubt be nervous as hell, and it would show in my face or at least my mannerisms (I get shakey hands, sweat and have to get frequent deep breaths when I get nervous for example). And it's not like we're magically teleported behind her either, a lot of us, gotta wait her out in corners/alleys in the hopes of her coming out and the stress would easily grind out whatever "killer finesse" some of us may think we have here.

Now, I'm sure some of us here might have military training, but many of us are just comic geeks or have simple desk jobs.