Originally posted by Blair Wind
I don't know why you'd need to even get in close contact with her. Rent the apartment under her and blow it up when you know she's on the toilet.
You only have a week of prep for #1, and it didn't say how much money or resources you were given beyond knives, gun, and peak human stats. Plus renting an apartment isn't usually a quick process. In real life it'd take at least 2-4 days (credit check, lease signing, etc), and Widow would likely take up residence in a safehouse. On top of that gathering the components for the explosives and making sure Widow was in her unit at the point you had everything in order would be a task. Shooting her when she's not expecting an attempt on her life is more realistic. If she's in her civilian cover mode trying to blend in and appear normal a hit is much more possible.
Originally posted by Oliver North
2 in the back, low enough to miss a vest, from close range. Keep firing as she falls, hit her in the head twice to make sure she dies.As long as we are treating guns and bullets seriously, she is dead.
Pretty much. OP said Widow was unsuspecting and going about her normal life. Assuming her normal life has a part where she uses her civilian cover on a day to day basis to stay off the radar that would be the best time to take her out.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It really depends on which factor takes more precedence: How guns and bullets and the like work in a "real world setting" or the feats/abilities/skills of the characters involved.
Her comic feats/abilities/skills still don't make her bulletproof or infallible, and aren't we assuming PIS is off in this scenario? It's us in an alternate reality, not us in a comic book script. Widow's catching a hot one to the dome while doing her laundry.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Her comic feats/abilities/skills still don't make her bulletproof or infallible, and aren't we assuming PIS is off in this scenario? It's us in an alternate reality, not us in a comic book script. Widow's catching a hot one to the dome while doing her laundry.
Even with PIS off, she's still a highly trained, peak human assassin/spy, with tremendous physical attributes by real world standards and peak human by comic book standards. She's survived plenty of assassination attempts and run ins with legitimate superhumans. Don't think it's going to be as simple as point 'n shoot even with prep time.
With seven days prep, peak human stats, a gun and knives, getting the drop on Nat and successfully killing her is a colossal task for any person from "the real world" to take. You can't really do anything too extravagant with your prep time, less you blow the fact that she starts off unaware. I'm assuming you don't have infinite ammo and most of us are probably going to want to get some firearm practice in. And the every day status quo in the OP is chaos and madness due to villains running the world with no heroes. It's likely you could get offed or be in the wrong place at the wrong time and wind up an unlucky victim.
If you get past one, the rest falls neatly more or less into place, but really, it will be more luck than anything that enables people to walk away from her alive.
Does everyone here honestly believe a highly trained spy/assassin who has killed and made tons of enemies is just going to you know not look at every situation as a trap?
Her feats are basically just that.
Renting a room beneath her, she probably has that placed tapped and wired and screens all new people before the landlord has a chance to.
Sneaking up behind her unaware, yeah cause no on in comics thought of that before. She probably had you pegged as the guy wanting something with her the moment you set eyes on her. Sneaking up behind her to shoot her? Yeah she already knew you coming and even what type of fire arm you had whether you are an expert or some lame schmuck she's debating about killing or just seriously maiming.
And all the resources you get are a gun and combat knife and some peak human abilities.
Wow you're still less physically capable and armed than all the people who get sent after her with none of the skills.
PIS off is even worse cause she is a superspy in a world of supervillains she isn't just going to walk to the store in a routine that makes it easy for would be killers to get the drop on her. She probably has all her food delivered where the person is scanned and background checked before they even get to ring the doorbell.
My point is you wouldn't be the first person to try and kill her you would be the worst and least capable person. You're not getting the drop on her especially not in 7 days.
She is smarter, faster, better skilled, and probably stronger based on feats, and probably better protected and armed as well.
Originally posted by Newjak
Does everyone here honestly believe a highly trained spy/assassin who has killed and made tons of enemies is just going to you know not look at every situation as a trap?Her feats are basically just that.
Renting a room beneath her, she probably has that placed tapped and wired and screens all new people before the landlord has a chance to.
Sneaking up behind her unaware, yeah cause no on in comics thought of that before. She probably had you pegged as the guy wanting something with her the moment you set eyes on her. Sneaking up behind her to shoot her? Yeah she already knew you coming and even what type of fire arm you had whether you are an expert or some lame schmuck she's debating about killing or just seriously maiming.
And all the resources you get are a gun and combat knife and some peak human abilities.
Wow you're still less physically capable and armed than all the people who get sent after her with none of the skills.
PIS off is even worse cause she is a superspy in a world of supervillains she isn't just going to walk to the store in a routine that makes it easy for would be killers to get the drop on her. She probably has all her food delivered where the person is scanned and background checked before they even get to ring the doorbell.
My point is you wouldn't be the first person to try and kill her you would be the worst and least capable person. You're not getting the drop on her especially not in 7 days.
She is smarter, faster, better skilled, and probably stronger based on feats, and probably better protected and armed as well.
This, all of it.
Originally posted by Oliver NorthDid you not read anything I just wrote.
Does anyone have actual feats on this?You would hardly need prep on her, just knowledge that she left whatever building she was in.
EDIT: it also depends significantly on what kind of gun you have. I was thinking handgun, rifle makes it far easier, shotgun probably less so.
She isn't just gonna leave a building where someone can sneak up on her from behind and shoot her.
Assuming you could do that at all. If it were that easy she would have been dead a long time ago.
And it doesn't matter what type of gun you're gonna use. I know what you're getting at with the rifle longer range equals better doesn't matter. She already knew you were there before she would even go out in public. She would sneak up behind you and disarm you.
Assuming she is even staying at the place you think she.
Let me put it to you this way if you can think of a way to take her out then she has already thought of it and a way to counter it.
Originally posted by Newjak
Did you not read anything I just wrote.She isn't just gonna leave a building where someone can sneak up on her from behind and shoot her.
Assuming you could do that at all. If it were that easy she would have been dead a long time ago.
And it doesn't matter what type of gun you're gonna use. I know what you're getting at with the rifle longer range equals better doesn't matter. She already knew you were there before she would even go out in public. She would sneak up behind you and disarm you.
Assuming she is even staying at the place you think she.
Let me put it to you this way if you can think of a way to take her out then she has already thought of it and a way to counter it.
well, we can agree to disagree on most of that, do you have feats though?
some random stranger has attacked her on a street when she had no reason to suspect it? I'm genuinely interested in how she handles that type of attack.
Considering a rifle can be accurate up to hundreds of meters, I'm sort of interested in how someone with no powers counters that, again, scans?
She's completely unaware that you're planning to kill her, and you're essentially a civilian. She has no reason whatsoever to suspect that a civilian would just shoot her, and OP states she's going about her "normal life". Assuming said "normal life" routine contains doing normal stuff in her civilian cover (which has been depicted in the comics, so I'm 100% sure it does), there's an opening to kill her cleanly. You guys are really over-complicating scenario #1. The hit isn't going to be some splash page exchange of gunfire where she's ducking behind wooden tables which miraculously deflect bullets. She doesn't see it coming at all and is going about her day to day routine which we're made privy of and get a week of prep.
Natasha's getting shot in the head.
op establishes we know where she goes and says nothing about her having backup. her main preventive defense is anonimity and that is already gone. she has no precog, no special senses no standard surveilance gear monitoring her suroundings.
and no, she wouldn't have been killed already, if it were that easy, because characters are kept alive so the plot moves forward and the company makes money regardless of how realistic it is. still, even folks like batman have been suprised by some pretty common and retarded stuff.
Re: You Vs Villains II
Originally posted by Placidity
Same Scenario:You live in a world where there are NO heroes, only villains (all high herald and below). Suffering and chaos has become the norm. You really wish you could have some superpowers to even things out.
Luckily, Bat-Mite is bored and decides to play a game with you. He is going to let you face a number of characters, and if you win, you will get a reward each time, if you lose, well, you die.
He starts you off with peak human stats, and a few combat knives and a gun. You have NO skills.
[b]
Round 1Black Widow. This is not a "fight". She is going about her normal life, and is unaware you are wanting to kill her. You know her whereabouts - hunt her down and take her out.
You have 7 days (prep included) to do it.[/B]
She's dead.
Originally posted by Oliver NorthI won't agree to disagree.
well, we can agree to disagree on most of that, do you have feats though?some random stranger has attacked her on a street when she had no reason to suspect it? I'm genuinely interested in how she handles that type of attack.
Considering a rifle can be accurate up to hundreds of meters, I'm sort of interested in how someone with no powers counters that, again, scans?
What I'm saying is she is a super-spy with comic book feats and skills and smarts. She is above you.
And she suspects everyone. Do you honestly believe that one of the world's best assassins who has enemies out the wahzoo doesn't look at everyone with suspicion? Even random strangers?
You honestly believe she would stick to a routine that would make it so easy for some regular guy to kill her when she faces superpowered beings thousands of times deadlier and more skilled than you will ever be?
I don't have any scans with me but she can give Nick Fury trouble in the spy game, take down legions of armed goons with H2H skills. You honestly believe you stand a chance against her because you have a gun?
You're dreaming if you think you stood a chance.
She already knew you were on the roof with the rifle and goes around to sneak up behind you and disarm you.