Black Adam Vs Thor , Punch Fest

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lying about the condition thor was in. Of course you don't. You are a thorbag. Haha. If you can't figure out the difference between a peer overpowering a peer and an outlier showing from a very low level character, I don't know what to say to you. I wasn't trying to demean Thor here, I'm just trying to make a hierarchy of Englehart's characters.

What I think about you bringing up an entirely irrelevant condition to save your and thor's ass.

Its irrelevant to this whole discussion.

Quote me where I lied about anything please sir. The rest is just nonsense gibberish that doesn't address any of my real points and conviently ignores all the scans/evidence posted.

Because Englehart tried to give Simon a push (A brief one that didn't last because Thor was considered the Top dog in Marvel) 15 years later, that somehow invalidates a fight between Thor/Hulk? Seriously what the f*ck.

Do I have to quote posts for you? I didn't even mention the brittle bones. Once again, I commented on this:

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor's strength was intact. There was no mention of him being weaker than usual.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was a deductive argument. If the premises are true then the conclusion is necessarily true.

Reread the second part again. You will see a classic deductive 'if then' statement.

What kind of deductive argument was that?

Because Wonder Woman is made from Gaea's flesh, that somehow in turns means she's stronger then Hercules because Gaea is stronger then Hercules? This all assumes that Marvel Hercules = DC Hercules, and DC Gaea is physically stronger then DC Hercules. Not to mention that Diana is as strong as Gaea.

Well during Gail's run recently, Wonder Woman said that Pele hits harder then Superman even. Maybe as hard as Thor's hammer. That's a lot more direct and is clearly evidence that Thor conclusively hits noticeably harder then Clark.

Originally posted by carver9
Never argued against Thor strength. I am one of the peeps that said Thor strength is on Superman and Hulks level because it is. Now a angry Savage Hulk, that's a different story.

Thor's strength is not on Superman's level because you want it to be.
We go by feats Carv.
Your opinion does hold much credibility since we all know how much you hate Superman (and mostly D.C. characters)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Quote me where I lied about anything please sir. The rest is just nonsense gibberish that doesn't address any of my real points and conviently ignores all the scans/evidence posted.

Because Englehart tried to give Simon a push (A brief one that didn't last because Thor was considered the Top dog in Marvel) 15 years later, that somehow invalidates a fight between Thor/Hulk? Seriously what the f*ck.

Do I have to quote posts for you? I didn't even mention the brittle bones. Once again, I commented on this:

Which is just NOT true. All your other nonsense arguments aren't even worth replying to because of how inherently silly they are, I just don't enjoy the spread of misinformation.

If Im not mistaken, when Thor was cursed he had to wear the Asgardian Armor due to weaken state and later on made Mystic armor, it's been a while. But for sure Thor strength drop dramatically even Midgard serpent admitted this and he would know.

Already brought that up, doesn't seem to make a difference to some.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How do you think that post makes any sense? If deflecting a ball and chain hurt his arm, blows that he would usually shrug off fractured bone, what do you think would happen if he hit something with all his might? His arm would shatter under the pressure.

Here it was said Thor could call upon every ounce of his strength:
http://s779.photobucket.com/user/R-O-G/media/Thor/LiftsMidgardSerpent1.jpg.html

Now I know you didn't know of this scan but I'm not one for leaving out evidence but I think that refers only to what is available to him.

It was said his strength was diminished in the Olympus arc (Don't have that scan) and the Midgard Serpent straight up said he was a mere shadow of his former glory:
http://s779.photobucket.com/user/R-O-G/media/Thor/LiftsMidgardSerpent4.jpg.html

He later again mentions Thor's diminished power and even directly references strength:
http://s779.photobucket.com/user/R-O-G/media/Thor/ThorvsMidgardSerpent17.jpg.html

He even says that to go all-out would destroy Thor's own fragile body, armor or not.

If this isn't enough evidence for you, then I give up.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor's strength is not on Superman's level because you want it to be.
We go by feats Carv.
Your opinion does hold much credibility since we all know how much you hate Superman (and mostly D.C. characters)

Stones in glass houses, buddy.

Originally posted by dmills
In a "feats only" oriented forum you could prolly make the case. But then again in you could argue all sorts of idiocy in a "feats only" setting.

When it comes to purely physical characteristics like strength, battle performances hold more value than flashy displays of power like mountains, moons or planets with your fists. Thor has consistently matched(or outright beaten) those who equal or exceed Diana in physical strength, so he's her peer at the very least in that particular aspect.

Originally posted by carver9
There are a lot of people here (mainly new members) that thinks Wonder Woman is much stronger than Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What kind of deductive argument was that?

Because Wonder Woman is made from Gaea's flesh, that somehow in turns means she's stronger then Hercules because Gaea is stronger then Hercules? This all assumes that Marvel Hercules = DC Hercules, and DC Gaea is physically stronger then DC Hercules. Not to mention that Diana is as strong as Gaea.

Well during Gail's run recently, Wonder Woman said that Pele hits harder then Superman even. Maybe as hard as Thor's hammer. That's a lot more direct and is clearly evidence that Thor conclusively hits noticeably harder then Clark.

It was stated that she was blessed with a strength greater than that of Heracles.
Superman holds back (consciously and subconsciously). But when he doesn't then im sure he hits harder than almost anyone.

Here's the agument again

1. If WW is stronger than Heracles and
2. If Marvel Hercules is similar to D.C. Hercules and
3. If Marvel Hercules is about the same as Marvel Thor

Then Diana is stronger than Thor.

So the argument fails if 1, 2, or 3 is false.
I'm not claiming WW is stronger but offering an argument that can be accepted if the premises are accepted.

Then I argued that WW has feats to match anything Thor has done strengthwise and thus she is at least his equal in strength.

Lastly, hitting with a tool harder than someone hits with their fists doesn't mean they are stronger. WW thinking Thor's hammer strikes harder than Superman doesn't mean Thor is stronger.

I've run into people who think Diana is stronger than Thor. But those same people usually think Gladiator/Beta Ray Bill/Surfer are noticeably stronger then Thor as well so I don't even bother debating the point.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Those same battleboards make similar assessments when comparing a trans tier character like Thanos with Wonder Woman as well.

When it comes to purely physical characteristics like strength, battle performances hold more value than flashy displays of power like mountains, moons or planets with your fists. Thor has consistently matched(or outright beaten) those who equal or exceed Diana in physical strength, so he's her peer [b]at the very least in that particular aspect.

Apart from those that usually favor DC(and most of them aren't old), which people are you talking about? [/B]

Don't want to throw out names but a lot of people consider Wonder Woman physically above Thor. One guy even said she is 10 times stronger than Thor.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was stated that she was blessed with a strength greater than that of Heracles.
Superman holds back (consciously and subconsciously). But when he doesn't then im sure he hits harder than almost anyone.

Here's the agument again

1. If WW is stronger than Heracles and
2. If Marvel Hercules is similar to D.C. Hercules and
3. If Marvel Hercules is about the same as Marvel Thor

Then Diana is stronger than Thor.

So the argument fails if 1, 2, or 3 is false.
I'm not claiming WW is stronger but offering an argument that can be accepted if the premises are accepted.

Then I argued that WW has feats to match anything Thor has done strengthwise and thus she is at least his equal in strength.

Lastly, hitting with a tool harder than someone hits with their fists doesn't mean they are stronger. WW thinking Thor's hammer strikes harder than Superman doesn't mean Thor is stronger.

I'm too lazy to debate the flawed nature of this logic so I'll just refuse the premise. Also, do you happen to remember where it's stated Diana is stronger then Heracles? I can believe it, he's definitely had some less then stellar showings but some of them was when he was mortal I think.

Diana has been hit by an all out Superman. She's probably a better judge then almost anyone. I didn't compare their strength but their striking power.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was stated that she was blessed with a strength greater than that of Heracles.
Superman holds back (consciously and subconsciously). But when he doesn't then im sure he hits harder than almost anyone.

Here's the agument again

1. If WW is stronger than Heracles and
2. If Marvel Hercules is similar to D.C. Hercules and
3. If Marvel Hercules is about the same as Marvel Thor

Then Diana is stronger than Thor.

So the argument fails if 1, 2, or 3 is false.
I'm not claiming WW is stronger but offering an argument that can be accepted if the premises are accepted.

Not on this forum it can't. That's a prime example of ABC logic.

Go home Rage. You're drunk. uhuh

Originally posted by carver9
Don't want to throw out names but a lot of people consider Wonder Woman physically above Thor. One guy even said she is 10 times stronger than Thor.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So you make unfounded claims, and when asked for proof, come up empty. Why am I not surprised?

Naah, me throwing out names would cause a ruckus and that isn't my intention. Look for the thread I made with Thor vs Wonder Woman fist fight...all of your answers are there.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not on this forum it can't. That's a prime example of ABC logic.

ABC logic is invalid when it comes to beating a character (since unique powerset, style of fighting, character, all weigh in on it). But is valid when it comes to a comparing a single attribute.

For example, many compare Thanos tp to Dr. Xavier due to who he battled with it and then who they battled with it. Thus classic ABC logic.

Namor is compared to others in strength because of his encounters with Hulk, Hercules, etc.

Bottomline: Some forms of ABC logic are valid and some are not. Comparing a single attribute (like speed or strength) is very sound.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your opinion does [not] hold much credibility

Dafuq!?!

You DO know AT BEST, you've got just as much "credibility", right?

Edit. Fixed your typo.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Dafuq!?!

You DO know AT BEST, you've got just as much "credibility", right?

Edit. Fixed your typo.

Thanks for fixing the typo.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor and Hulk during that time haven't fought yet, right? Hulk/Banner is unsure of Thor strength, so he is unable to determine if he is stronger than Thor. The only thing he can base this off of is the lifting of Mjlonir and that is something he failed at lifting. So I can see why he is doubting himself.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why are you bringing up the Rhino?

What does he have to do in a Thor vs. Black Adam thread? Because he somehow had a high end showing, that in turn devaluates a good showing of Thor?

So I can, I don't know, mention a time when Power Girl was completely worthless and point out how Black Adam isn't impressive manhandling her now?

This lowballing on your part is ridiculous. You aren't even referencing the same story-arc but shit by your own admission is years apart.

That all got retconned. PG is likely as strong or slightly weaker than thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Quote me where I lied about anything please sir. The rest is just nonsense gibberish that doesn't address any of my real points and conviently ignores all the scans/evidence posted.

Because Englehart tried to give Simon a push (A brief one that didn't last because Thor was considered the Top dog in Marvel) 15 years later, that somehow invalidates a fight between Thor/Hulk? Seriously what the f*ck.

Do I have to quote posts for you? I didn't even mention the brittle bones. Once again, I commented on this:

Which is just NOT true. All your other nonsense arguments aren't even worth replying to because of how inherently silly they are, I just don't enjoy the spread of misinformation.

Because its not about simon getting a push. He was still weaker than guys like abomination. Englehart's Thor wasn't such a monster in strength that he could stalemate class 100+ bricks in strength, he never wrote thor like that. There is only one explanation of that scene from Defenders 10, hulk was amping extremely slowly and still after 1 hour wasn't past Thor's strength. Some of the things you thorbags have suggested are downright silly.

Also my comment about thor's strength being intact in WCA annual isn't wrong. I will concede that he was weaker than usual while under hela's curse, but that's completely irrelevant to the discussion.