Black Adam Vs Thor , Punch Fest

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've already said thor IS stronger than simon just not under Englehart. Why is that so hard to understand.
That was before Englehart.
He isn't. Under Englehart, he was though. Simon pushed Thor from a bad leverage in a direct contest of strength. That's overpowering.

What's with "Englehart" in these posts? 😕

He didn't create nor define these characters power levels, so why is his POV suddenly so important here?

Surely it can't supersede on-panel depictions of power levels for more than 50 years?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok. I'll wait.

Hulk had time to adjust. 10 seconds is quite a large gape in a fight. Thor snuck up on abom IIRC.

Not quite. Thor's strength was intact as noted against Blockbuster.

All that scene suggest that hulk started weaker than thor and even after an hour of amping didn't got past thor in strength if we take your stance. Its not that uncommon for hulk to amp extremly slowly. Rhino stalemated him for days in a fist fight while hulk was getting angry. Doc Samson fought Mindless Hulk for six hours straight while hulk was getting stronger.
I would look for Englehart interview.

10 seconds is the amount of time the fight lasted before everyone was out and done. Hulk was struck from the get go.

You can't have one without the other. Thor's strength wasn't directly affected by the curse, but it was affected none the less due to the nature of the curse. Brittle bones like the ones Thor had can only reduce strength.

Taking into consideration Hulk's powerset and how he's defined, it suggests that despite amping, Thor was able to hold Hulk in place. Espeically considering the circumstances where the Hulk's just been called the weaker of two and is itching to prove he's stronger is what makes the feat what it is.

IIRC, Thor had to wear special armor to protect him during his days with the curse.

If that didn't reduce his strength, it should at least mean reduced damage soak; and damage soak is typically one of Thor's best fight attributes.

Anyway BA and Thor are capable of winning both rounds but...

1) BA for the majority
2) Thor for the majority

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
IIRC, Thor had to wear special armor to protect him during his days with the curse.

If that didn't reduce his strength, it should at least mean reduced damage soak; and damage soak is typically one of Thor's best fight attributes.

Anyway BA and Thor are capable of winning both rounds but...

1) BA for the majority
2) Thor for the majority

It doesn't have any real bearing on this fight but the armour cursed Thor worn was the golden one, which he did not have against Simon. And it was pretty much the only thing keeping him from just completely crumbling together near the end 😛

I agree with your outcome, tho I think the fights might be a bit more uneven.

Originally posted by curryman
I agree with your outcome, tho I think the fights might be a bit more uneven.

Uneven in what way?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor's strength was intact. There was no mention of him being weaker than usual.

Not true. For example right before his fight with the Midgard Serpent, it was stated he was weaker than ever. His diminished might due to brittle bones was also noted in that Olympus arc IIRC.

Was this around the same time that Thor went through the whole mutant massacre thing? I remember him being weakened during that.

Originally posted by deathlife
What's with "Englehart" in these posts? 😕

He didn't create nor define these characters power levels, so why is his POV suddenly so important here?

Surely it can't supersede on-panel depictions of power levels for more than 50 years?

I could use the argument that Superman is a lot stronger than CM because of outside feats.

IMO, I always viewed Simon as stronger since I was a little kid. Thor has him hammer to offset that advantage though.

Just stop.

Wonder Man isn't stronger than Thor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wonder Man isn't stronger than Thor.

It depends on which do you value most. Direct confrontations or outside feats or both. Superman's outside feats are greater than CM's but they are considered near equals in the physical department because of direct confrontations.

I take both in to account. Simon's good, but it's like comparing Wonder Woman and Superman at times, imo.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
Uneven in what way?

That BA wins 1 pretty hard and Thor the 2nd.

Still think Black Adam hits harder than Thor, Even with the hammer.

I dont see thor even budging SBP, or survive getting punched across the universe back to his dimension by SBP either

I dont see thor wrecking a wonder woman level being at 1/3 strength either

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Still think Black Adam hits harder than Thor, Even with the hammer.

I dont see thor even budging SBP, or survive getting punched across the universe back to his dimension by SBP either

Oh

Originally posted by Damborgson
10 seconds is the amount of time the fight lasted before everyone was out and done. Hulk was struck from the get go.

You can't have one without the other. Thor's strength wasn't directly affected by the curse, but it was affected none the less due to the nature of the curse. Brittle bones like the ones Thor had can only reduce strength.

Taking into consideration Hulk's powerset and how he's defined, it suggests that despite amping, Thor was able to hold Hulk in place. Espeically considering the circumstances where the Hulk's just been called the weaker of two and is itching to prove he's stronger is what makes the feat what it is.

It was affected when the injuries were too severe but not initially.

So, either hulk was amping too slowly or thor has a dynamic strength too. Or do you think that hulk was already thor's level and was getting vastly stronger but thor could stalemate with his original strength while being vastly weaker? You can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not true. For example right before his fight with the Midgard Serpent, it was stated he was weaker than ever. His diminished might due to brittle bones was also noted in that Olympus arc IIRC.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Still think Black Adam hits harder than Thor, Even with the hammer.

I dont see thor even budging SBP, or survive getting punched across the universe back to his dimension by SBP either

I dont see thor wrecking a wonder woman level being at 1/3 strength either

Considering the people he's budged, he'd definitely budge Prime, magic "immunity" or no.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was struck after Strange was out. Read the page again.

It was affected when the injuries were too severe but not initially.

So, either hulk was amping too slowly or thor has a dynamic strength too. Or do you think that hulk was already thor's level and was getting vastly stronger but thor could stalemate with his original strength while being vastly weaker? You can't have it both ways.

Doesn't mean much to be honest. Strange was struck first, but everyone there got shots they were simply not expecting.

Brittle bones guarantees weakness though. They go hand in hand.

I think Hulk was amping, and Thor managed to hold him. /shrug the fact that he was amping is what makes the feat.