Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Funny enough Classic IM was more powerful than current one. He beat the Hulk, Silver Surfer and was far more dangerous and efficient than now.
He never really beat the Silver Surfer, but he certainly did defeat the Hulk and Terrax.
Hulk's writers have ditched all ideas of consistency in favour of a character whose strength is PURELY dictated by the plot (yay tension, right?), so I doubt Iron Man could stand a chance.
Originally posted by krisblaze
He never really beat the Silver Surfer, but he certainly did defeat the Hulk and Terrax.Hulk's writers have ditched all ideas of consistency in favour of a character whose strength is PURELY dictated by the plot (yay tension, right?), so I doubt Iron Man could stand a chance.
What about this?
http://i.stack.imgur.com/oq464.jpg
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
What about this?
http://i.stack.imgur.com/oq464.jpg
I actually thought that was Terrax 😆
Wasn't his fight with Terrax just like that?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Funny enough Classic IM was more powerful than current one. He beat the Hulk, Silver Surfer and was far more dangerous and efficient than now.
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Classic IM was a Powerhouse.
I think he also fought off Thor to a standstill once after being enhanced by his Lightning strike (kind of like what happened in The Avengers movie).
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
👆Classic IM was a Powerhouse.
I think he also fought off Thor to a standstill once after being enhanced by his Lightning strike (kind of like what happened in The Avengers movie).
He's wrong though. Ironman has become more powerful than his classic days. The only reason he can't beat Hulk or Surfer anymore is because the two of them became more powerful as well. Far more powerful. Ironman can still hang with Heralds though. Prof is just wrong on that acct.
The cool thing with Hulk is that there are still Savage Hulk feats that current Hulk would have to work to match (though he would do it).
Punching through a Time Storm, destroying a dimension with a thunderclap ... Savage Hulk wasn't weak at all, just prone to not being interested in a fight, unless it was against someone really powerful and for life or death.
Originally posted by janus77
The cool thing with Hulk is that there are still Savage Hulk feats that current Hulk would have to work to match (though he would do it).Punching through a Time Storm, destroying a dimension with a thunderclap ... Savage Hulk wasn't weak at all, just prone to not being interested in a fight, unless it was against someone really powerful and for life or death.
He already punched through a time recently and his recent ft was better than the one he did in the past. Well, he didn't destroy a dimension but he did exhaust the power of a being that controlled a IG user and the Phoenix Force. His fts are crazy these days. They just keep coming.
Hulk isn't as inconsistent as he once was, though the very nature of his power is to be dynamic which can explain SOME of his past low showings.
I think at some point (more than likely due to the success of Planet Hulk and WWH where he was the star of his own crossover event) he was catapulted into the forefront as one of Marvels flagship characters and in turn his "niche" in the Marvel Universe as "the strongest there is" was really nailed down.
Hulk was treated as an almost parodic character by certain writers at times, however now pretty much across the board he is treated with the respect that a being of his stature, power and iconic status should receive. This can be viewed as a "push" but Hulk has always been capable of hax strength/durability feats, although now he does it on a far more consistent basis.
My main gripe with Hulk currently is that his strength is almost TOO plot devicey, and the whole madder/stronger aspect of his powers isn't played up anywhere near as much as it used to be. Now he just is the strongest and will only become more powerful from there, or not at all if the writer sees fit.
I'm just glad the Waid shit is over with, Aarons, Waid and whatsisface the other guy ... truly ****ed up Hulk beyond any hopes of repair, or so I'd felt.
Green Scar gone, Banner just a resentful genius always teetering on the edge of madness and intent on killing the "monster" Hulk ... As if Planet Hulk, WWH and pretty much everything over the last decade hadn't happened.
Anyway, Doc Green is "interesting" and the Savage Hulk super-genius/TK potential stuff is also very promising.
Mostly though, the shit shower that was Waid, is over. Stories that are interesting (or less stupid) are in the pipeline and Hulk is intelligent again.
As far as power levels and where Hulk should be placed, I think Hulk should actually feature very little. It should be Banner science-ing the hell out of Earth threatening problems and then, just when thing seem like they're going to spiral out of all control, Banner Hulks out and the agency of chaos saves the day as Banner's planning and scheming - however great they are - can never be an adequate substitute to the raw rampaging brutality of The Hulk.
It'd be a continuation of the lesson that Hulk taught The Leader, The Mad Thinker, Stark, Reed etc ... That Hulk is the "smartest one there is". They cannot think past his power, they cannot do without his chaotic, uncontrollable, unquantifiable and impossible to calculate contributions.
Hulk should be reserved for cosmic/demon god type threats as well as occasionally being manipulated into almost destroying The Avengers/X-Men/Earth when some demon or Thanos or some other entity finds it smartest to use Hulk against The Earth, rather than attempt to match their own strengths against Hulk and Earth.
Banner should invent a flight-suit for Hulk, then go cosmic.
Originally posted by janus77
I'm just glad the Waid shit is over with, Aarons, Waid and whatsisface the other guy ... truly ****ed up Hulk beyond any hopes of repair, or so I'd felt.Green Scar gone, Banner just a resentful genius always teetering on the edge of madness and intent on killing the "monster" Hulk ... As if Planet Hulk, WWH and pretty much everything over the last decade hadn't happened.
Anyway, Doc Green is "interesting" and the Savage Hulk super-genius/TK potential stuff is also very promising.
Mostly though, the shit shower that was Waid, is over. Stories that are interesting (or less stupid) are in the pipeline and Hulk is intelligent again.
As far as power levels and where Hulk should be placed, I think Hulk should actually feature very little. It should be Banner science-ing the hell out of Earth threatening problems and then, just when thing seem like they're going to spiral out of all control, Banner Hulks out and the agency of chaos saves the day as Banner's planning and scheming - however great they are - can never be an adequate substitute to the raw rampaging brutality of The Hulk.
It'd be a continuation of the lesson that Hulk taught The Leader, The Mad Thinker, Stark, Reed etc ... That Hulk is the "smartest one there is". They cannot think past his power, they cannot do without his chaotic, uncontrollable, unquantifiable and impossible to calculate contributions.
Hulk should be reserved for cosmic/demon god type threats as well as occasionally being manipulated into almost destroying The Avengers/X-Men/Earth when some demon or Thanos or some other entity finds it smartest to use Hulk against The Earth, rather than attempt to match their own strengths against Hulk and Earth.
Banner should invent a flight-suit for Hulk, then go cosmic.
Hickman is doing that. Banner is rarely if ever on scene in the Avengers, it's usually Banner putting together some things on the side line for the team. Waid was a terrible writer though but he did show us that Hulk is still extremely powerful.
mfw Hulk fans try to pretend that they care about anything but feats
mfw when those same fans thought that WWH and WBH were quality arcs
Originally posted by janus77
I'm just glad the Waid shit is over with, Aarons, Waid and whatsisface the other guy ... truly ****ed up Hulk beyond any hopes of repair, or so I'd felt.Green Scar gone, Banner just a resentful genius always teetering on the edge of madness and intent on killing the "monster" Hulk ... As if Planet Hulk, WWH and pretty much everything over the last decade hadn't happened.
Anyway, Doc Green is "interesting" and the Savage Hulk super-genius/TK potential stuff is also very promising.
Mostly though, the shit shower that was Waid, is over. Stories that are interesting (or less stupid) are in the pipeline and Hulk is intelligent again.
At first I quite liked the whole silent, force of nature schtick Waid had going for Hulk because it gave Hulk something of a fear factor which I think he should have, but it got old pretty fast and wasn't helped by the boring storylines and underwhelming villains. This new "Doc Green" persona has me interested again though, he reminds me of early Merged Hulk who was super intelligent but still had a mean streak in him and also seems to have a similar power level to Paks Hulk outside of WWH/HOTM. Jim Starlins cosmic Hulk/Thanos mini should be good too, if for nothing else other than seeing Hulk do more than be SHIELDs attack dog and actually interacting with cosmic characters.
I do think that although Pak wanked the hell out of Hulk, he gave the character direction and purpose but Aaron, Waid etc dropped the ball (compare what Aaron did with Thor to his Hulk run and you'll see just how true my comment about Hulk almost being a parody to some writers is). Hulk should've gone cosmic after Pak left, but instead Marvel reverted to type and put Hulk "back in his box" if you like by making him a "villain" (Fear Itself) and fighting Banner again (Incredible Hulk) for no apparent reason. At least things are finally starting to improve storywise too after a few wasted years.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Hulk isn't as inconsistent as he once was, though the very nature of his power is to be dynamic which can explain SOME of his past low showings.
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Yeah the whole nature of his powers are what people don't get when they say Superman is stronger than Hulk at base strength. Because his base strength could start at completely different levels (in the past at least).
Hulk's just the strongest one there is, which I think people just need to deal with and stop with this "Oh no but Hulk's BASE STRENGTH is only at so and so level..."
His "Base Strength" even in the past could easily be above the likes of Thor, Gladiator and yes even Superman.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
👆Yeah the whole nature of his powers are what people don't get when they say Superman is stronger than Hulk at base strength. Because his base strength could start at completely different levels (in the past at least).
Hulk's just the strongest one there is, which I think people just need to deal with and stop with this "Oh no but Hulk's BASE STRENGTH is only at so and so level..."
His "Base Strength" even in the past could easily be above the likes of Thor, Gladiator and yes even Superman.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
👆Yeah the whole nature of his powers are what people don't get when they say Superman is stronger than Hulk at base strength. Because his base strength could start at completely different levels (in the past at least).
Hulk's just the strongest one there is, which I think people just need to deal with and stop with this "Oh no but Hulk's BASE STRENGTH is only at so and so level..."
His "Base Strength" even in the past could easily be above the likes of Thor, Gladiator and yes even Superman.
Then it's not really a base, if it's constantly different....
Originally posted by krisblaze
if Hulk's the strongest one there is, why are his feats lower than say Superman? 😐
They've both got insane feats but it's not all about feats. There's power scaling involved as well.
So for instance when Hulk easily and consistently overpowers the likes of Thor and Gladiator (physically), then by default he has the equivalent of feats which vastly outstrip anything the 2 of those have done.
