Star Trek reboot vs. Star Trek original

Originally posted by quanchi112
It worked as did it work against the super nova. More than one red matter weapon.

Incorrect again. There's only one red matter "weapon", it's on old Spock's ship. You didn't pay attention again.

Spock didn't ram the Jellyfish into the super nova's wave, he dropped some red matter in space; which was in the path of the nova's wave and a black hole formed, when the wave reached the black hole, it took in most of the blast.

Doing the suicide run with the Jellyfish at most will take out one TNG ship, so that's a stupid plan here.

So how does the reboot side get the red matter into all the TNG ships? This was your premise in how they win, stop dodging.

Originally posted by Robtard
Incorrect again. There's only one red matter "weapon", it's on old Spock's ship. You didn't pay attention again.

Spock didn't ram the Jellyfish into the super nova's wave, he dropped some red matter in space; which was in the path of the nova's wave and a black hole formed, when the wave reached the black hole, it took in most of the blast.

Doing the suicide run with the Jellyfish at most will take out one TNG ship, so that's a stupid plan here.

So how does the reboot side get the red matter into all the TNG ships? This was your premise in how they win, stop dodging.

No, it isn't. Also have the torpedoes and the Dreadnaught as well as multiple red matter attacks. Dreadnaught was specifically built for combat and Khans military savagery and intellect will be invaluable just how it was in the movie.

I'm really not sure how Red Matter is supposed to be the game changer. It's extremely slow firing, can't penetrate shields, and is being fired by the two ships with the largest bullseyes on them.

Out of the following:

2 Borg Ships
4 Klingon Birds of Prey (one of which can fire while cloaked).
3 D-7s iirc.
Somewhere in the region of 30-40 Starfleet ships (including 5 enterprises).
The Genesis device on the Reliant
3 Romulan ships (including the Scimitar)

Only one ship will have it's shields down, and that's Chang's Bird of Prey (though he'll be cloaked and undetectable). Even the Borg cube's subspace field should really protect it from any red matter attacks.

Not to mention how red matter doesn't expand fast enough to overcome impulse power immediately, or spread wide enough to take out an entire fleet (a fleet that will already have opened fire on the Nerada, which it can't defend against for any substantial length of time).

You could even argue that the Scimitar or borg cube alone would take the Nerada, but it's not necessary due to them having the backup of heavily advanced starships.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, we see the red matter clearly used multiple times just like I said. I just said it was used more than once which you yourself agree with.

No, it isn't. Also have the torpedoes and the Dreadnaught as well as multiple red matter attacks. Dreadnaught was specifically built for combat and Khans military savagery and intellect will be invaluable just how it was in the movie.

More flips. You said: "More than one red matter weapon". There isn't, there's one and it's on Spock's ship. It can be used more than once, just like a gun can be fired more than once. But in regards to how it took out another ship (The Narada) via suicide, it's a one shot deal. Understand now?

Oh, my. Anyhow. "Red matter attacks" mean jack and shit to the ST ships from the 24th century unless the Jellyfish is used to ram itself into one. It's not like a black hole will instantly form and the TNG ships will purposely fly into it.

The Dreadnaught is a piece of crap compared to The Scimitar. Which can easily obliterate the 23rd century ship while cloaked. The Dreadnaught is also the only 23rd century ship that can fight while at warp speeds. So every other 23rd century ship will be like a sitting target to the TNG ships, keep ignoring that fact 🙂

We know the Scimitar has :

- The ability to fire while cloaked
- Primary and Secondary shields
- 52 disrupter banks and 27 photon torpedo tubes

This is beyond anything shown in NUTrek

Originally posted by playa1258
We know the Scimitar has :

- The ability to fire while cloaked
- Primary and Secondary shields
- 52 disrupter banks and 27 photon torpedo tubes

This is beyond anything shown in NUTrek

You forgot the Thalaron radiation weapon that can kill all life on a planet (or a star ship in need be) in a matter of seconds.

Originally posted by Robtard
More flips. You said: "More than one red matter weapon". There isn't, there's one and it's on Spock's ship. It can be used more than once, just like a gun can be fired more than once. But in regards to how it took out another ship (The Narada) via suicide, it's a one shot deal. Understand now?

Oh, my. Anyhow. "Red matter attacks" mean jack and shit to the ST ships from the 24th century unless the Jellyfish is used to ram itself into one. It's not like a black hole will instantly form and the TNG ships will purposely fly into it.

The Dreadnaught is a piece of crap compared to The Scimitar. Which can easily obliterate the 23rd century ship while cloaked. The Dreadnaught is also the only 23rd century ship that can fight while at warp speeds. So every other 23rd century ship will be like a sitting target to the TNG ships, keep ignoring that fact 🙂

No, they won't especially when under heavy fire from the Dreadnaught or the Narada.

Prove it is. Red matter. Best Star Trek weapon to date outside Khan's brilliant mind.

Originally posted by quanchi112
More than one usage of red matter. It can be used in the same manner it was used against super nova.

No, they won't especially when under heavy fire from the Dreadnaught or the Narada.

Prove it is. Red matter. Best Star Trek weapon to date outside Khan's brilliant mind.

Which will create a black hole in space which the TNG ships can easily avoid 🙂 You also fail to realize that the Reboot ships would subject to the black hole's pull as well.

Again, if that's your stance, the black hole(s) will be just as much of a danger to the reboot ships. Cos they'll be under fire from Superior ships.

Prove the Dreadnought is the only 23rd century ship that can fire while at warp? Proof = watch ST: Into Darkness 🙂 That was a key point of the Enterprise not escaping, it being new tech for the 23rd century Federation which only the Dreadnought had. You didn't pay attention again.

Originally posted by Robtard
Which will create a black hole in space which the TNG ships can easily avoid 🙂 You also fail to realize that the Reboot ships would subject to the black hole's pull as well.

Again, if that's your stance, the black hole(s) will be just as much of a danger to the reboot ships. Cos they'll be under fire from Superior ships.

Prove the Dreadnought is the only 23rd century ship that can fire while at warp? Proof = watch ST: Into Darkness 🙂 That was a key point of the Enterprise not escaping, it being new tech for the 23rd century Federation which only the Dreadnought had. You didn't pay attention again.

Their major ships won't be as close to the red matter so you're wrong.

When did I claim that ? That was its advantage over the Enterprise. Oh this is the part where you state the obvious and claim I didn't know.

Dreadnaught made for combat and heavily armed. Narada is a massive ship Andy between these two along with Red Matter, torpedoes, and Khans brilliant savage intellect its a wrap.

I can almost smell the desperation... Originals are so OP in this fight it's a spite thread, tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I can almost smell the desperation... Originals are so OP in this fight it's a spite thread, tbh.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I can smell the original desperation too. Red matter just wrecks here.

Your entire argument is based on ignoring the capabilities of the original universe ships. Just keep saying "red matter" over and over and I'm sure you'll eventually convince someone.

Nice of you to copy me with that comeback, though. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Originally posted by -Pr-
YJust keep saying "red matter" over and over and I'm sure you'll eventually convince someone.

thats his whole schtick. eventually everyone gets exhausted with his parroting, which of course means he wins. clown

Originally posted by -Pr-
Your entire argument is based on ignoring the capabilities of the original universe ships. Just keep saying "red matter" over and over and I'm sure you'll eventually convince someone.

Nice of you to copy me with that comeback, though. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Red matter is the greatest weapon ever seen, torpedoes from Into Darkness, Khans brilliant mind, Narada, and the Dreadnaught.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
thats his whole schtick. eventually everyone gets exhausted with his parroting, which of course means he wins. clown

Originally posted by quanchi112
Can be used on the ship which destroys it.

Their major ships won't be as close to the red matter so you're wrong.

When did I claim that ? That was its advantage over the Enterprise. Oh this is the part where you state the obvious and claim I didn't know.

Dreadnaught made for combat and heavily armed. Narada is a massive ship Andy between these two along with Red Matter, torpedoes, and Khans brilliant savage intellect its a wrap.

Point: The one time red matter was used to destroy another ST ship, the Jellyfish carrying the full red matter payload had to ram itself into the Narada. As I said, that would be a one shot deal. Ignore screen feats though, it's telling and funny.

😂 Stop scripting. The Red Matter is dropped into space and a black hole then forms. If it's a threat to TNG, then it's a threat to the Reboot ships.

I see, another I make a statement of facts, you ask me to prove it, I show you how it was clearly shown in the film and then you pretend you knew all along and never actually asked me to prove it. You and your stupid antics. Watch Into Darkness again, your memory of it is pathetic.

Dreadnought is a 23rd century warship. The Scimitar is a 24th century war ship capable of taking on multiple 24th century ships and it can fire while remaining undetected (keep ignoring this too). The Borg cubes are huge, if "size" is your thing. They're also capable of taking on a fleet of 24th century star ships and doing very well. Then there's the Enterprise E with one of the most ridiculously resourceful crews ever seen in ST. You have nothing, cos you know next to nothing about ST, but insist on arguing from a point of ignorance 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Offered to do battle zones but your whole Shtick is clown pics and using lady names.

dont forget "destroying quanchi's fallacious horseshit arguments"

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't imitate you and that's my line by the way. Used it many times.

Red matter is the greatest weapon ever seen, torpedoes from Into Darkness, Khans brilliant mind, Narada, and the Dreadnaught.

lol, if you say so.

You're just repeating yourself again and trying to get a rise out of people. It's not as opaque as you think it is, you know. It doesn't help that you've shown almost complete ignorance to the original universe, just because you've got a massive boner for the AU movies.

Actually Quan, the most powerful weapon seen in Star Trek is the Genesis Device.

The damn thing destroyed a whole nebula in Wrath of Khan.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol, if you say so.

You're just repeating yourself again and trying to get a rise out of people. It's not as opaque as you think it is, you know. It doesn't help that you've shown almost complete ignorance to the original universe, just because you've got a massive boner for the AU movies.

If I'm ignorant then someone should accept and expose me.