Originally posted by playa1258
Actually Quan, the most powerful weapon seen in Star Trek is the Genesis Device.The damn thing destroyed a whole nebula in Wrath of Khan.
oh snap. he shoots he scores.
Originally posted by quanchi112If I'm ignorant then someone should accept and expose me.
been done over and over today. too bad you're too willfully obstinate to see it. embarrassed much?
Originally posted by RobtardI am not ignoring screen feats. It all depends on the vicinity in which the black hole is away for the ship obviously.
Point: The one time red matter was used to destroy another ST ship, the Jellyfish carrying the full red matter payload had to ram itself into the Narada. As I said, that would be a one shot deal. Ignore screen feats though, it's telling and funny.😂 Stop scripting. The Red Matter is dropped into space and a black hole then forms. If it's a threat to TNG, then it's a threat to the Reboot ships.
I see, another I make a statement of facts, you ask me to prove it, I show you how it was clearly shown in the film and then you pretend you knew all along and never actually asked me to prove it. You and your stupid antics. Watch Into Darkness again, your memory of it is pathetic.
Dreadnought is a 23rd century warship. The Scimitar is a 24th century war ship capable of taking on multiple 24th century ships and it can fire while remaining undetected (keep ignoring this too). The Borg cubes are huge, if "size" is your thing. They're also capable of taking on a fleet of 24th century star ships and doing very well. Then there's the Enterprise E with one of the most ridiculously resourceful crews ever seen in ST. You have nothing, cos you know next to nothing about ST, but insist on arguing from a point of ignorance 🙂
You aren't proving your case though your just explaining random plot points.
Different reality so different progression. Khans aid altered the progression of technology as well as the different events that took place in part 1.
Quit ignoring screen feats of the Borg Cube. It's easy to take over. Slow moving Borg and based on Khans feats he'd stomp the entire Cube himself with his gear. They also have the torpedoes he's created.
Screen feats easily prove the reboot universe to be superior.
Compare any character from the older series to the newer ones and its not even close by screen feats.
I honestly can't believe half the shit I've read in this 'debate'. Talk such as the dreadnaught class is more powerful than than the enterpris E or even the D or the Scimitar which would utterly destroy the enterprise E and was 1 ship that single handedly changed the balance of power in the entire Romulan Star Empire at the same time as the Narada was around. Yet we're expected to believe a basic, non military mining ship from Romulus is more powerful than the most powerful warship by miles also from Romulus.
Then there's the Borg cube which took the punishment of an entire fleet of ships which included the Defiant which is a ship that could devastate a planet's surface in seconds as stated on screen in voyager.
Then there's was V'ger. An entity that was 12,000,000,000km across and it's power dwarfed the entire fleet of the federation 50 fold and then some.
Then there was the genesis device. A weapon that reduced everything to rub atomic particles including any life within its vast detonation area.
And that's before we get on to things such as the Omega molecule. A single molecule of which could destroy subspace over an area of 18x10^12km, transphasic torpedoes which exist outside of space and time, multi-kinetic neutronic mines that could devastate areas 4 light years across. The Krenim time ship which could just erase entire civilisations from ever having existed.
Originally posted by quanchi112Quit ignoring screen feats of the Borg Cube. It's easy to take over. Slow moving Borg and based on Khans feats he'd stomp the entire Cube himself with his gear. They also have the torpedoes he's created.
This is simply the most utterly stupid thing I've ever read in my 8 years in these forums. You're suggesting that 1 person could 'take over' a ship with no centralized systems at all and that is crewed by 100,000 drones all of which are physically stronger and throw men around with little effort, have personal shielding that takes 2 hits before it adapts and once one has adapted, all are adapted, to energy based weapons and who can assimilate him easily by injecting him with nanoprobes.
Originally posted by jaden101Watch the film. You're ignorant if you feel there were 100,000 drones shown or that the ones they did show were anything resembling quick. Screen feats not your fantasy version.
This is simply the most utterly stupid thing I've ever read in my 8 years in these forums. You're suggesting that 1 person could 'take over' a ship with no centralized systems at all and that is crewed by 100,000 drones all of which are physically stronger and throw men around with little effort, have personal shielding that takes 2 hits before it adapts and once one has adapted, all are adapted, to energy based weapons and who can assimilate him easily by injecting him with nanoprobes.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Someone is ignoring red matter me thinks. 😂
Red matter's feats. Contradicting at best. 1 small blob of it destroyed Vulcan, a single planet. All the rest of it created a black hole that couldn't pull in a single, underpowered old Starfleet vessel from all of a couple of hundred metres away.
Genesis weapon destroyed an entire nebula which was 110 light years across.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch the film. You're ignorant if you feel there were 100,000 drones shown or that the ones they did show were anything resembling quick. Screen feats not your fantasy version.
average Borg cube is crewed by between 80,000 and 130,000 drones dependant upon whether they've been assimilating a world or not. This is Star Trek canon. Your crying to the contrary is irrelevant.
Originally posted by jaden101You confuse scope with overall power. Not surprised. Lol.
Red matter's feats. Contradicting at best. 1 small blob of it destroyed Vulcan, a single planet. All the rest of it created a black hole that couldn't pull in a single, underpowered old Starfleet vessel from all of a couple of hundred metres away.Genesis weapon destroyed an entire nebula which was 110 light years across.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Debating always turns into a repeat your points fest at some points. I'm willing to do either a Data versus Khan battlezone or Darth Vader vs. Khan as well.If I'm ignorant then someone should accept and expose me.
Only when you've discussed every point there is to discuss. Which you haven't.
They did. You were.
Originally posted by jaden101Screen feats. Keep making stuff up fr movie characters due to bias though. I argue based off of portrayals, what's in character, abilities, and feats.
average Borg cube is crewed by between 80,000 and 130,000 drones dependant upon whether they've been assimilating a world or not. This is Star Trek canon. Your crying to the contrary is irrelevant.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Screen feats. Keep making stuff up fr movie characters due to bias though. I argue based off of portrayals, what's in character, abilities, and feats.
Screen feats eh? It's stated on screen that a Borg cube has 100,000 drones. Given that all cubes are identical, also stated on screen when data said he couldn't be sure if the cube making it's way to earth was the same cube they'd encountered before or a different one because the the sensor readings were exactly the same.
Screen feats would be Borg over powering every species they fight hand to hand against. The only being capable of fighting them hand to hand was Data and his physical strength was huge. He lifted boulders and wreckage that Worf couldn't budge with no effort. Yet in some encounters he physically struggled against drones. Given that data is stated to have the strength of 20 men and an average Klingon is about twice the strength of a man yet Khan is maybe twice a Klingon's strength at most then Data would be 5 times that of Khan and a Borg would probably be about 3 times that of Khan. Going from on screen feats and stated facts. Yes he's faster but so what. He'd maybe get the better of 2 or 3 drones using weapons before they adapted and he would better any of them in physical strength although might manage to rip out a few wires as some federation crew have done which can mess them up a bit. At a push he'd maybe take out 7 or 8 tops. That just leaves another 99,992 to deal with.
Originally posted by jaden101
So to you, destroying an entire nebula 110 years across isn't more powerful than not destroying a small starship from a couple of hundred metres? That's what you're seriously arguing?
He also argued that not needing to breathe while in stasis = not needing to breathe outside of stasis.