Star Trek reboot vs. Star Trek original

Originally posted by quanchi112
Movies only, kid. Only a biased person would think a ten to two advantage isn't enough and try to bring in multiple seasons as well against the two reboot films.

Only thing I've needed from seasons is the canon facts about a Borg cube. The rest have been feats from films. So here they are again for you.

The Scimitar is the most powerful warship in the Romulan empire by miles. It is easily vastly more powerful than a mere mining vessel from the same era. It is hugely more powerful than the enterpris E which is 5 generations more advanced than the enterprise in the reboot and is the 3rd most advanced ship in all of Star Trek history after the USS Prometheus and the USS Aeon which was from the 29th century . The vengeance is stated to be twice as big and 3 times as powerful as the enterprise. So all in, weak as piss compared to anything in Generations, First Contact, Insurrection or Nemesis.

Data is stronger than Khan, the Borg are stronger than Khan. Data is smarter than Khan. Even Spock was almost as strong as Khan.

All things considered. Utter utter ***** rape spite death for Khan, the vengeance, the Narada, Nero the angry little miner and everyone else from the reboot and that's before talking about red matter v genesis device and V'ger.

I hadn't even thought of v'ger. that might solo by itself.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're kidding, right? You want to use only the borg that were shown on screen? I suppose we're supposed to believe that every crew member we saw is the entire enterprise crew? or how the three dudes on the defiant is the ship's entire crew? That's some broke ass logic.

Then do it.

You've ignored almost every point about the original universe ships.

I do and when haven't I.

No, I haven't. Red matter usage, Narada, Dreadnaught, and Khan torpedoes are the equalizer on top of them being miles and away superior in hand to hand combat based on showings/screen feats.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I hadn't even thought of v'ger. that might solo by itself.

Originally posted by jaden101
Only thing I've needed from seasons is the canon facts about a Borg cube. The rest have been feats from films. So here they are again for you.

The Scimitar is the most powerful warship in the Romulan empire by miles. It is easily vastly more powerful than a mere mining vessel from the same era. It is hugely more powerful than the enterpris E which is 5 generations more advanced than the enterprise in the reboot and is the 3rd most advanced ship in all of Star Trek history after the USS Prometheus and the USS Aeon which was from the 29th century . The vengeance is stated to be twice as big and 3 times as powerful as the enterprise. So all in, weak as piss compared to anything in Generations, First Contact, Insurrection or Nemesis.

Data is stronger than Khan, the Borg are stronger than Khan. Data is smarter than Khan. Even Spock was almost as strong as Khan.

All things considered. Utter utter ***** rape spite death for Khan, the vengeance, the Narada, Nero the angry little miner and everyone else from the reboot and that's before talking about red matter v genesis device and V'ger.

Khan has guns. Khan has combat intelligence. Do you think in a war he's going to throw his guns away and start sucker punching Data and the Borg. Use some common sense for pity's sake.

No, and Spock needed help from older Spock on top of aid from an entire crew against Khan. Khan destroyed Spock and resisted the nerve pinch. His gf showed up and blasted him seven or eight times to gain the advantage because he was about to have his skull crushed as well. That's also after he survived the crash and burn of the Dreadnaught.

Khan rapes anyone from the older generation. Utter rape stomp in any confrontation with any original character that's in the general vicinity he's in. Nero was a decent villain as well especially when compared against the shitty original villains list.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see many people die which were on the Enterprise so we have a general feel. We don't just say 50,000 and say boom. Screen feats and within reason.

I do and when haven't I.

No, I haven't. Red matter usage, Narada, Dreadnaught, and Khan torpedoes are the equalizer on top of them being miles and away superior in hand to hand combat based on showings/screen feats.

So how many drones do you think are on the cube?

All the time.

That's a flat out lie. Either that or you just haven't watched the originals.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You haven't seen the second film. Lol.

The people who have, have told me that nothing in the second movie would make the difference.

So.. What do you guys consider the most powerful weapon in Star Trek?

Originally posted by jaden101
That didn't happen. A bioship blew up lots of cubes but the bioships were hugely powerful. The aliens themselves were extremely powerfully strong. Much stronger than any drone and were impervious to the nanoprobes but there was never a case of one destroying a cube on its own without a ship.

I meant one 8472 rampaging through a borg cube, killing everything in sight. But I admit it has been years since I seen scorpion.

it was, but at the time the cube had sustained heavy damage anyway from the fighting, iirc.

Species 8472 are insanely powerful though; they're the borg's kryptonite in a way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not ignoring screen feats. It all depends on the vicinity in which the black hole is away for the ship obviously.

You aren't proving your case though your just explaining random plot points.

Different reality so different progression. Khans aid altered the progression of technology as well as the different events that took place in part 1.

Quit ignoring screen feats of the Borg Cube. It's easy to take over. Slow moving Borg and based on Khans feats he'd stomp the entire Cube himself with his gear. They also have the torpedoes he's created.

Screen feats easily prove the reboot universe to be superior.

Compare any character from the older series to the newer ones and its not even close by screen feats.

You are. The only time a red matter black hole destroyed a ship was after the Jellyfish rammed itself up into the Narada. Screen feats. Cry more now.

An empty desperate claim cos you can't counter due to ST ignorance.

If you knew more about Star Trek 2009, you'd know exactly why the tech difference exist(start googling again). Khan helped with the Dreadnaught, which hasn't shown the capability to take on The Enterprise E, let alone the more powerful shit in the OS and TNG films. Which you know nothing of.

😂 Another downplay cos you can't properly counter due to TNG film ignorance. "The Borg just suck". Stop wanking Khan, you're like an enamored woman. Hilarious. The TNG ships have photon torpedoes too; a lot more than just 72, dingus.

Another empty claim due to OS and TNG film ignorance. You don't even have an answer to The Scimitar, a single TNG film ship, why you dodge and clown dance.

Fine, let us compare: Picard is a more accomplished captain than young Kirk at the time with four films of diverse adversity under him. Old fat Kirk is a more accomplished captain than young Kirk with six films of diverse adversity under him. Data is smarter and can process faster than anyone in the Reboot.

Or in other words, you're utterly ignorant of Star Trek and barely grapsed the reboot films, as you consistently demonstrate here.

Originally posted by -Pr-
So how many drones do you think are on the cube?

All the time.

That's a flat out lie. Either that or you just haven't watched the originals.

The people who have, have told me that nothing in the second movie would make the difference.

No, I don't.

No, it isn't.

They are old Trekkies and are scared by the reboot hardcore fans such as myself.

Originally posted by playa1258
So.. What do you guys consider the most powerful weapon in Star Trek?

Originally posted by Robtard
You are. The only time a red matter black hole destroyed a ship was after the Jellyfish rammed itself up into the Narada. Screen feats. Cry more now.

An empty desperate claim cos you can't counter due to ST ignorance.

If you knew more about Star Trek 2009, you'd know exactly why the tech difference exist(start googling again). Khan helped with the Dreadnaught, which hasn't shown the capability to take on The Enterprise E, let alone the more powerful shit in the OS and TNG films. Which you know nothing of.

😂 Another downplay cos you can't properly counter due to TNG film ignorance. "The Borg just suck". Stop wanking Khan, you're like an enamored woman. Hilarious. The TNG ships have photon torpedoes too; a lot more than just 72, dingus.

Another empty claim due to OS and TNG film ignorance. You don't even have an answer to The Scimitar, a single TNG film ship, why you dodge and clown dance.

Fine, let us compare: Picard is a more accomplished captain than young Kirk at the time with four films of diverse adversity under him. Old fat Kirk is a more accomplished captain than young Kirk with six films of diverse adversity under him. Data is smarter and can process faster than anyone in the Reboot.

Or in other words, you're utterly ignorant of Star Trek and barely grapsed the reboot films, as you consistently demonstrate here.

It isn't empty as its based on something which occurred in the films. You want to pretend red matter sucks for some reason.

I do know. Khans mind is responsible for the Federations weaponry advancements due to his excellent mind. Why can't it ? We see how formidable it is on screen. Cry more.

I've seen them on screen. Slow reacting and sitting targets. Khan solos Borg seen on the Cube due to superior feats, skills, and reaction time.

My case isn't built entirely on photon torpedoes its built on red matter as being their ultimate weapon along with superior combat characters, Narada, Dreadnaught, etc.

Might have more experience than young Kirk but less impressive feat wise.

Data lacks the feats and isn't the warrior Khan is. Not even close. In a fight Khan mauls him. Faster, guns which can destroy Klingon ships, faster, more ruthless, etc.

No, you're upset reboot feats >>>>original feats. 2 movies in and they already win. Red matter. Khan. Let the tears flow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Whatever Is shown unless there is a number stated in the films.

No, I don't.

No, it isn't.

They are old Trekkies and are scared by the reboot hardcore fans such as myself.

You're just making excuses now, but that's not surprising.

People can be a fan of both, you know, even though you seem to want to drive a wedge between them for some reason.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're just making excuses now, but that's not surprising.

People can be a fan of both, you know, even though you seem to want to drive a wedge between them for some reason.

I do so for a simple reason. New Star Treks depart the formula which I hated. Boring movies with minimal action. Love that the director admits he's modeling them off after Star Wars which I have always preferred of the two. I like the new Star Trek because of Abrams vision and awesome movies unlike the originals IMO.

Very excited for new Star Wars because of Abrams and the possibilities.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that's how I have always argued. You want to just balloon their numbers and make stuff up.

I do so for a simple reason. New Star Treks depart the formula which I hated. Boring movies with minimal action. Love that the director admits he's modeling them off after Star Wars which I have always preferred of the two. I like the new Star Trek because of Abrams vision and awesome movies unlike the originals IMO.

Very excited for new Star Wars because of Abrams and the possibilities.

I haven't made anything up, and you're still ignoring the original universe's capabilities.

Not true. Funny how Abrams talks about his love for Star Trek in interviews now, after watching the original series between the movies.

Originally posted by playa1258
So.. What do you guys consider the most powerful weapon in Star Trek?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats the only time it happened on screen. That's like counting out blaster fire and saying those characters can only fire that amount of times.

It isn't empty as its based on something which occurred in the films. You want to pretend red matter sucks for some reason.

I do know. Khans mind is responsible for the Federations weaponry advancements due to his excellent mind. Why can't it ? We see how formidable it is on screen. Cry more.

I've seen them on screen. Slow reacting and sitting targets. Khan solos Borg seen on the Cube due to superior feats, skills, and reaction time.

My case isn't built entirely on photon torpedoes its built on red matter as being their ultimate weapon along with superior combat characters, Narada, Dreadnaught, etc.

Might have more experience than young Kirk but less impressive feat wise.

Data lacks the feats and isn't the warrior Khan is. Not even close. In a fight Khan mauls him. Faster, guns which can destroy Klingon ships, faster, more ruthless, etc.

No, you're upset reboot feats >>>>original feats. 2 movies in and they already win. Red matter. Khan. Let the tears flow.

And now you've forgotten again that ST ships survived black holes just fine, unless one is created inside. Keep crying; keep ignoring screen feats.

Yup, happened on screen. It's called screen feats which you try to ignore when it suits you as see above. Stop strawmanning, never said the Red Matter sucked, you just failed to understand it, black holes and ST vessels.

If you watched the commentary of Star Trek, you'd know. Drown in your ignorance though.

Still wanking Khan "He can solo a Borg cube and he doesn't need to breath!!!!1!" How precious.

😂 Red matter isn't the superior weapon. But I can see why you think that considering you know nothing of the OS and TNG films. Cylinder craft in ST: The Voyage Home crippled all of Star Fleet just by existing. As someone else pointed out, the Genesis Device. There's more. Of course you don't know anything of these. You still don't even have an answer for The Scimitar and its perfect cloaking; that's just one ship.

And the expected blind downplay of Picard and old fat Kirk.

While that's wrong too, it's also another non sequitur. I said "smarter and can process faster than anyone in the Reboot." This will be a ship battle, not Khan running around and punching everyone as you seem to think.

Unlike you, I like Star Trek in general and also don't have this clownish need to bash things I hate when comparing. You continue to show your ignorance of the OS and TNG films with every post.

Originally posted by Robtard
And now you've forgotten again that ST ships survived black holes just fine, unless one is created inside. Keep crying; keep ignoring screen feats.

Yup, happened on screen. It's called screen feats which you try to ignore when it suits you as see above. Stop strawmanning, never said the Red Matter sucked, you just failed to understand it, black holes and ST vessels.

If you watched the commentary of Star Trek, you'd know. Drown in your ignorance though.

Still wanking Khan "He can solo a Borg cube and he doesn't need to breath!!!!1!" How precious.

😂 Red matter isn't the superior weapon. But I can see why you think that considering you know nothing of the OS and TNG films. Cylinder craft in ST: The Voyage Home crippled all of Star Fleet just by existing. As someone else pointed out, the Genesis Device. There's more. Of course you don't know anything of these. You still don't even have an answer for The Scimitar and its perfect cloaking; that's just one ship.

And the expected blind downplay of Picard and old fat Kirk.

While that's wrong too, it's also another non sequitur. I said "smarter and can process faster than anyone in the Reboot." This will be a ship battle, not Khan running around and punching everyone as you seem to think.

Unlike you, I like Star Trek in general and also don't have this clownish need to bash things I hate when comparing. You continue to show your ignorance of the OS and TNG films with every post.

What screen feats am I ignoring ? Your exaggerations are appalling. Good you agree red matter is a huge advantage.

Lol. Kirk is more impressive based on screen feats. Cry about it.

With the amount of Borg we see on the cube and based on his screen feats. Definitely. Here's your attempt to flame your way out of a losing debate. Happens often.

That awful movie about whales. Lol.

Genesis device is easily avoided despite Khans attempts to kill Kirk. I guess black holes are easy to avoid but not the Genesis Box despite seeing the Enterprise do so. Hypocrite.

Yes, I do. Red matter. 😄

Screen feats back me up. 🙂

Doesn't matter how fast he thinks when his ship is being bombarded. We never see Datas foes just unable to deal with him either. Keep wanking, kid.

You prefer the old Star Trek. I don't. You prefer Wrath of Khan and other older ones. Into Darkness hands down is superior. I love the reboots. You don't. It's cool.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I haven't made anything up, and you're still ignoring the original universe's capabilities.

Not true. Funny how Abrams talks about his love for Star Trek in interviews now, after watching the original series between the movies.

Abrams prefers Star Wars big time. If you watch the commentary he even admits paralleling certain New Star Trek moments to Star Wars moments. I'm sure he enjoys Star Trek now. I know I did but not prior to him bringing action and fun adventure to a lifeless franchise.

I'm a huge reboot fan. You're not. It's ok. Noting wrong with preferring the originals. I just don't.