Originally posted by -Pr-The ship would be backed just like it was in the film. Spock is definitely competent enough and makes defying the odds a routine thing.
By firing a red matter blob at it? Or by crashing the jellyfish in to it?The first one would most likely impact the borg's subspace field.
The latter would most likely be stopped by tractor beams, or just destroyed before it could reach it's target, tbh.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The ship would be backed just like it was in the film. Spock is definitely competent enough and makes defying the odds a routine thing.
So the other ships won't have to worry about the forty starships firing at it, then?
The originals have Spock too. Two of him, at least.
Originally posted by -Pr-40 some Klingon ships as well are here that the Narada took out.
So the other ships won't have to worry about the forty starships firing at it, then?The originals have Spock too. Two of him, at least.
Original Spock doesn't have Spocks feats. Since they get two versions I feel it's only fair to have reboot older Spock here as well for reboot side.
Originally posted by quanchi112
40 some Klingon ships as well are here that the Narada took out.Original Spock doesn't have Spocks feats. Since they get two versions I feel it's only fair to have reboot older Spock here as well for reboot side.
40 Klingon ships that are far less advanced than almost anything on the original side. they might as well be shuttles.
I never said he had the feats of reboot spock.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kelvin was far less advanced too yet was able to effect the Narada. Cube gets black holed.
The Nerada was a mining ship; not a fully kitted out exploration/combat vessel.
No, it really doesn't, and even if it did, the reboot team would be harder hit by the loss of the jellyfish than the originals would by the loss of the cube.
Originally posted by -Pr-Still far more advanced so there does the from future can't be damaged by other ships.
The Nerada was a mining ship; not a fully kitted out exploration/combat vessel.No, it really doesn't, and even if it did, the reboot team would be harder hit by the loss of the jellyfish than the originals would by the loss of the cube.
Nope. Just fine. Dreadnaught, Narada, Kelvin, Enterprise, etc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Still far more advanced so there does the from future can't be damaged by other ships.Nope. Just fine. Dreadnaught, Narada, Kelvin, Enterprise, etc.
Huh?
Those ships are really going to stand up to ships a whole century more advanced than them, with better versions of their own technology? Really? Tell me how that works.
Even the Narada will, at the very least, be going up against far superior Romulan vessels.
Originally posted by -Pr-Skill of captains plays a part in this. That's why the Kelvin was able to affect the Narada.
Huh?Those ships are really going to stand up to ships a whole century more advanced than them, with better versions of their own technology? Really? Tell me how that works.
Even the Narada will, at the very least, be going up against far superior Romulan vessels.
Also Dreadnaught class and Khan torpedoes.
So you think Kirk's dad, an inexperienced officer, is > than say, one Picard, who actually fought in the Cardassian wars as a starship captain, when it comes to tactics?
Ramming in to another ship isn't about skill; it's a desperation tactic.
Even when it comes to skilled Captains, the originals have, even if you wanted to argue equal skill per man, more actual people that are incredibly skilled. More tacticians and strategists. Two Kirks (hell, maybe even three if you want to use the Enterprise B). Two Spocks (both with more experience than Quinto's one). Two Rikers. Two Worfs. Two Datas. And that's just the TNG people.
There's the Borg queen with the tactical knowledge and experience of thousands of drones. There's General Chang. There's the actual Klingon Chancellor. Shinzon himself.
All experienced warriors and tacticians that were at the head of their game.
You honestly think that one Kirk, Two Spocks, Khan, and Thor are superior to that?
Originally posted by quanchi112
reboot wins.
Reboots are reboots.
Like with Batman, Planet of the Apes, Spiderman, the upcoming Robocop, for example.
This is a continuation of existing films that take part in a parallel universe/alt reality.
(universe totally affected by already existing Trek events/characters like Spock, see ST XI for details)
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthThis fits into the definition. It restarted with a different event and time travel. Awesome. Reboot in the same vein as Mortal Kombat which is the best since all the previous continuity still is in place. These characters experiences are all different so different versions of the same characters. Reboot versions superiors IMO. Great restart. Drawing new excited fans. Get with the times.
Reboots are reboots.Like with Batman, Planet of the Apes, Spiderman, the upcoming Robocop, for example.
This is a continuation of existing films that take part in a parallel universe/alt reality.
(universe totally affected by already existing Trek events/characters like Spock, see ST XI for details)
Originally posted by -Pr-I never said he was greater than Picard. Picard also was mainly responsible for defeating the Borg. So this only adds to my point. Kirks father did the best with what he had available to him in that situation. Far greater than other victims of Narada.
So you think Kirk's dad, an inexperienced officer, is > than say, one Picard, who actually fought in the Cardassian wars as a starship captain, when it comes to tactics?Ramming in to another ship isn't about skill; it's a desperation tactic.
Even when it comes to skilled Captains, the originals have, even if you wanted to argue equal skill per man, more actual people that are incredibly skilled. More tacticians and strategists. Two Kirks (hell, maybe even three if you want to use the Enterprise B). Two Spocks (both with more experience than Quinto's one). Two Rikers. Two Worfs. Two Datas. And that's just the TNG people.
There's the Borg queen with the tactical knowledge and experience of thousands of drones. There's General Chang. There's the actual Klingon Chancellor. Shinzon himself.
All experienced warriors and tacticians that were at the head of their game.
You honestly think that one Kirk, Two Spocks, Khan, and Thor are superior to that?
This Kirk is superior to those Kirks. Two Spocks and a competent Khan unlike the emo obsessed original Khan. Reboot Khan>>every character you named both in portrayal and movie feats. One man against the Federation. Give Khan resources and all these impressive characters and its game over.
They are all inferior to reboot by way of feats and what we seem them do on screen.
Yes, Khan puts them fr and away ahead of them. See the movie and see what one superman (ironic I know) is capable of and get back to me .
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he was greater than Picard. Picard also was mainly responsible for defeating the Borg. So this only adds to my point. Kirks father did the best with what he had available to him in that situation. Far greater than other victims of Narada.This Kirk is superior to those Kirks. Two Spocks and a competent Khan unlike the emo obsessed original Khan. Reboot Khan>>every character you named both in portrayal and movie feats. One man against the Federation. Give Khan resources and all these impressive characters and its game over.
They are all inferior to reboot by way of feats and what we seem them do on screen.
Yes, Khan puts them fr and away ahead of them. See the movie and see what one superman (ironic I know) is capable of and get back to me .
Okay?
lol, wow.
I can't wait to see this wonderful Khan in the new movie. Of course, when it turns out that you're lying, I won't be surprised.
Originally posted by -Pr-More combat effective, more skilled, more ruthless, and able to conduct a one man war against the Federation. They even use that line in the movie. I expect a full apology to me for doubting me.
Okay?lol, wow.
I can't wait to see this wonderful Khan in the new movie. Of course, when it turns out that you're lying, I won't be surprised.