Originally posted by quanchi112
Precog failed and lost them pretty close to the entire order. Precog isn't some fanboy tactic in which you can ignore it failing time and time again on screen.
Agreed. This happens too often in the MvF: battle precog is touted as being more effective than it really is. They treat it like how Jane's (Twilight) precog works: it is not even remotely as definitive and effective as Jane's.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Mace would clearly win. Not even close up against the mental midget Vader.Precog failed and lost them pretty close to the entire order. Precog isn't some fanboy tactic in which you can ignore it failing time and time again on screen.
That's factually incorrect, would not be a stomp. But I understand your only tactic is to make Anakin/Vader out to be a worthless chump here, cos you can't show how Khan could conceivably win. So downplay tactics it is.
The greater > the lesser. We see more blaster blocks, blocking without looking etc than we see precog failing, which is usually to being overwhelmed by superior numbers or not being battle ready/being betrayed. Vader only has to focus on one opponent here and he knows he's in a fight, his precog is fine here. Film feats > you 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemonDoubtful since Yoda knee Obi had no chance against Palpatine. Palpatine is smarter and not an emo. Anakin was a mess and easily controlled while being incredibly unstable. He did had more potential but it was never relaxed due to Obi almost killing him.
Agreed. Obi Wan's advantage was his defense. Anakin dominated most of the fight against Obi Wan.Anakin's arrogance was his undoing.
Mace vs. Anakin would be epic but Mace would win.
See above.
Also, suit Vader, who was slower than Anakin, was 80% Palpitine: George's words.
It is possible that Anakin very well could have beaten the emperor in a saber duel due to his youth and force rage making his force potential greater than Palpitine's: also George's words (paraphrase)
The difference between Obi Wan and any other Jedi in the Jedi Order is huge. While Obi Wan would not have been able to take on the Emperor, he would have put up one hell of a fight: much better than the chumps that were with Mace.
Mace, Palpatine, and Yoda were the best. Anakin might have caught up but he never got to see it due to Obi loss. At the time of his loss he Wasnt on their levels either and was so unstable it was a huge disadvantage during a fight.
He was more skilled yet still lost to Obi.
Originally posted by dadudemonThats why I don't mind you when we disagree. You will disagree with me but agree with me when you actually do. Most of the others are so consumed by hatred of me they will go nuts and lose objectivity in a debate. You have your own opinion like myself.
Agreed. This happens too often in the MvF: battle precog is touted as being more effective than it really is. They treat it like how Jane's (Twilight) precog works: it is not even remotely as definitive and effective as Jane's.
Glad we agree here. Funny thing is I have always favored Star Wars to Star Trek.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Doubtful since Yoda knee Obi had no chance against Palpatine. Palpatine is smarter and not an emo. Anakin was a mess and easily controlled while being incredibly unstable. He did had more potential but it was never relaxed due to Obi almost killing him.
I agree with you (on all points), here. Only because you said "doubtful" which means there is a possibility, though slim, that Anakin could have won. I would give it to Palpatine 8 out of 10 times. However, Obi Wan would lose 10 out of 10.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Mace, Palpatine, and Yoda were the best. Anakin might have caught up but he never got to see it due to Obi loss. At the time of his loss he Wasnt on their levels either and was so unstable it was a huge disadvantage during a fight.
This is where you go wrong:
Anakin and Yoda were given "9's" by the fight choreographer. I don't remember if he gave Sidious the same. He's in the same league as Yoda in saber skills by Ep III. I think you underestimate Anakin but just a tad (not a lot, but just a tad).
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was more skilled yet still lost to Obi.
Indeed for the reason I stated.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats why I don't mind you when we disagree. You will disagree with me but agree with me when you actually do. Most of the others are so consumed by hatred of me they will go nuts and lose objectivity in a debate. You have your own opinion like myself.Glad we agree here. Funny thing is I have always favored Star Wars to Star Trek.
I think we're having a bro-moment *holds in the tears*.
Also, I agree: Star Wars>>Star Trek, though I love both. 🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
That's factually incorrect, would not be a stomp. But I understand your only tactic is to make Anakin/Vader out to be a worthless chump here, cos you can't show how Khan could conceivably win. So downplay tactics it is.The greater > the lesser. We see more blaster blocks, blocking without looking etc than we see precog failing, which is usually to being overwhelmed by superior numbers or not being battle ready/being betrayed. Vader only has to focus on one opponent here and he knows he's in a fight, his precog is fine here. Film feats > you 🙂
Would you agree that Hand to Hand, Khan would put up a really good fight (and possibly win)?
Originally posted by dadudemonMy iPad corrects me so when you see a word out of place I didn't proofread it. I agree Anakin fares better against Palpatine than Obi would which to me makes Anakins mental weakness even more apparent. I think Palpatine would beat both 10/10 but it'd be more competitive against Vader whereas Obi would quickly go down.
I agree with you (on all points), here. Only because you said "doubtful" which means there is a possibility, though slim, that Anakin could have won. I would give it to Palpatine 8 out of 10 times. However, Obi Wan would lose 10 out of 10.This is where you go wrong:
Anakin and Yoda were given "9's" by the fight choreographer. I don't remember if he gave Sidious the same. He's in the same league as Yoda in saber skills by Ep III. I think you underestimate Anakin but just a tad (not a lot, but just a tad).
Indeed for the reason I stated.
I don't. Anakin is skilled but lowered greatly by his arrogance and instability.
Originally posted by Robtard
If Anakin is forced to just use punches and kicks and no offensive Force abilities, Anakin would tire and Khan would win.
hmm
Fair enough. At least in this thread, I cannot call you unreasonable/unobjective.
Originally posted by quanchi112
My iPad corrects me so when you see a word out of place I didn't proofread it. I agree Anakin fares better against Palpatine than Obi would which to me makes Anakins mental weakness even more apparent. I think Palpatine would beat both 10/10 but it'd be more competitive against Vader whereas Obi would quickly go down.I don't. Anakin is skilled but lowered greatly by his arrogance and instability.
Fair enough. We barely disagree on this point so I'll leave it at this.
Originally posted by RobtardNo, he loses due to Khans skill, accuracy, warrior intelligence, and weaponry. Hand to hand only its spite against Vader.
That's factually incorrect, would not be a stomp. But I understand your only tactic is to make Anakin/Vader out to be a worthless chump here, cos you can't show how Khan could conceivably win. So downplay tactics it is.The greater > the lesser. We see more blaster blocks, blocking without looking etc than we see precog failing, which is usually to being overwhelmed by superior numbers or not being battle ready/being betrayed. Vader only has to focus on one opponent here and he knows he's in a fight, his precog is fine here. Film feats > you 🙂
Jedi can block blaster fire but they can also be taken out via skill with a blaster. Ie. Jango as a prime example. Khans blaster fire is wider and far more powerful. He can't block this wider blast to begin with.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he loses due to Khans skill, accuracy, warrior intelligence, and weaponry. Hand to hand only its spite against Vader.Jedi can block blaster fire but they can also be taken out via skill with a blaster. Ie. Jango as a prime example. Khans blaster fire is wider and far more powerful. He can't block this wider blast to begin with.
Khan's accuracy and skill? He shot a ship that was hovering, he shot a group of Klingon's that were focusing on the Enterprise crew and then he made a few close range kills with his disruptor. He's good, but stop wanking.
Once again you're scripting that Vader would try and block the blast from a large canon. He wouldn't, he's not retarded. He would employ another tactic using his speed to evade or Force attack. I might as well script and say Khan's going to drop his gun and try and punch a guy holding an energy sword. But he wouldn't, since Khan's not a retard either.
Making Vader out to be a dumb-ass chump, you're only tactic here.
Originally posted by RobtardWhat ? He was blowing away multiple Klingons away as well as the ships. Easily took out Spocks gun as he had it aimed on him before he could react. Only you would say he Wasnt skilled. 😆
Khan's accuracy and skill? He shot a ship that was hovering, he shot a group of Klingon's that were focusing on the Enterprise crew and then he made a few close range kills.Once again you're scripting that Vader would try and block the blast from a large canon. He wouldn't, he's not retarded. He would employ another tactic using his speed to evade or Force attack. making Vader out to be a dumb-ass chump, you're only tactic here.
Show me a screen feat to support the evasive tactic you are arguing for. Quit just making things up. 😂