Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Am I missing something but didn't Obi lose to Jango which Khan is light years ahead of in weapons and strength and capability? Jedi's had problems with Jango and his clones, are they on Khan's level? I dont think so.'
No, he didn't, Jango fled. Not to mention Windu f**ked Jango's shit royally.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialFunny thing is order 66 almost completely eradicated the Jedi order. The remaining Jedi had to go into hiding despite being a power in the galaxy yet were crushed in a day. Order 66 >>>>Jedi order.
Am I missing something but didn't Obi lose to Jango which Khan is light years ahead of in weapons and strength and capability? Jedi's had problems with Jango and his clones, are they on Khan's level? I dont think so.'
Originally posted by quanchi112
Context. It always alludes you.
What context? Jango was shooting him, couldn't get past the saber defence, and got his head cut off.
It's no different than the lack of context you tried to use when you pitted a no name jedi in the same situation and tried to pass it off as a point. I counterd, deal with it.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI can quote you however I want to. Quit losing your patience and swearing at me. You're acting like Anakin. Remain calm.
Learn how to use the goddamn quote function Quan, you've been here long enough so at least make your goddamn posts legible instead of being lazy and only quoting all in one go.So, if I were to say that Khan, by firing into a group of unarmed men in an office building from the safety of an armed shuttlecraft, does that make Khan sucky character too? Oh, oh, hows about a coward who had to use the desperation of a man losing his daughter to rig him as a suicide bomber?
See? I can match your bullshit comparative very easily.
Speeder bike blasters from the movies, and numerous things from TCW, or if we go full monty, AT AT blasts and TIE Fighter shots from various EU.
You better double check that. Vader handled the Purge years flawlessly with the only exception being Starkiller.
You take those two instances as if that is all Vader has to offer. I'm sorry Quan, but ignoring everything else, despite Vader having CONSIDERABLY more exposure than NuKhan is not something you can ignore.
That's not delving deeper, you half-wit, that's you making a supposition. Learn the difference.
We also see Windu outright pwn Jango in the very same scene. Nice double standard in leaving out something that contradicts the very same thing you tried to prove with that vid. *Slow Clap*
Attack of the clones, he is young, inexperienced, and dealing with lingering emotional attachments (IE: Padme). in Sith, he is more calm, experienced, and focused, only losing his temper via frustration during the fight with Obi Wan, which was a marathon duel. And in a split second decision to save Palpatine, because Windu was taking the law into his own hands.
You don't like semantics, fine, but don't try to pull another double standard again Quan.
What does that docco prove? Your evidence is only seen through rose tinted glasses, as you color everything, all the while leaving context out in the dog house. You are a dishonest debater
Already proven, months and months ago. Your new habit of digging into Youtube does not change that. You made all the same arguments as before, nothing has ever changed.
Hyperbole is fun, because we see several instances where the enterprise crew fired on the Klingons. Khan did kill the majority, but not all. Way to wear those rose tints bro.
Were the Klingons aware of his presence before the shot was fired? no? then it is an ambush, AKA, a surprise attack. And do NOT put words in my mouth, I never said it didn't count, I said that the Klingons were not even aware Khan was there, so they were not sent for him at all. How the bloody hell did you think he got first strike despite being outnumbered and out positioned? Oh wait, you are thinking that he simply stood there out in the open and started firing because all them Klingons weren't paying him enough attention? 😂
Yeah, no. Anakin ignighted the saber in full view of the Seperatists, once that happened, they knew what was going to happen. He didn't get a sneaky freebie.
I don't give a crap about your ideological misuse of terminology to try and overhype what Khan took down to try and make him look better than what he is. An unarmed troop transporter is NOT a warship. Shit dude, you couldn't even prove they could leave the atmosphere, because they never did. A ship, by definition is a vessel too big to be carried by another vessel, thus the difference between a boat and a ship. Those troop transports aren't packing any heat that we've seen either. A warship, by general definition, is also supposed to carry armaments with which to wage battle with, as far as I can tell, those shuttles didn't even have basic shields, or armor. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say those are the Klingon equivalent of Technicals, not even APCs.
As much as you can overhype, I can downplay, and I'd still be more correct about it than you.
Khan used his intelligence to attack Federation leaders in the case of this emergency. Vader was following orders against Palpatine's allies not someone who tried blackmailing Khan for his superior mind in all manner of war applications.
I compared both going into combat and how efficient both men were. Khan wins this comparison hands down. He took down warriors not former allied leaders to Palpatine under the guise of friendship. 1-0 in favor of Khan.
Eu isn't fair game in the movie versus. Try again. Supply an actual clip of evidence or else concede the point. You cry about evidence yet provide none yourself.
Dooku was hands down. He also crushed Obi in combat and briefly stalemated Yoda. That is simply beyond Obi as well as lasting longer than a few minutes against Dooku.
This isn't just two instances it is the creators viewpoints on his personality. Sorry, he created Vader and its a fact the guy couldn't control his emotions. It close him initially against Dooku and the battle against Obi. Two combat situations in which he made critical mistakes despite Obi berating him for his stupidity and overconfidence. Movie statements from the creator and evidence>>your fanboyism.
You made a claim about a theory that I easily proved wrong. Stick to the topic. Don't be a sore loser. 🙂
Windu is eh greatest Jedi and even he had to separate himself against Jango when he employed the flamethrower. One could argue the only reason Jango lost was due to the beast shorting his jet pack out. Context. His tech didn't work against Windu not through their interactions but through the beast knocking him around.
Vader lost his cool the entire movie. The entire movie sets the tone for his fall from grace. George Lucas slaps his cock into the viewers face with this obvious plot point yet you continue to deny it. You keep making excuses for canon showings. Sorry, he is overconfident and an emotional mess supported by Lucas himself via youtube clip. I backed my stance while you haven't.
Save your silly little threats and stick to the topic, Anakin.
I provided facts and creator supporter statements. You have done nothing of the sort.
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Prove it. Post evidence. Quit avoiding debating with evidence. I have been more than forthcoming with backing my iron clad claims.
Those are Kirk's own words. Khan had both crews at his mercy singlehandedly. Fact.
So ? They were aware of his presence after the shots and still greatly outnumbered him. They had more ships than Khan even. I said they weren't able to best him despite him being out in the open. He's that accurate and good with a weapon unlike Anakin. The guy has been captured more than a few times by laughable opposition.
It is a ship used for combat despite your wailing. Provide evidence and quit just spouting your unbacked opinion.
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Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThe beast damaged the jet pack.
What context? Jango was shooting him, couldn't get past the saber defence, and got his head cut off.It's no different than the lack of context you tried to use when you pitted a no name jedi in the same situation and tried to pass it off as a point. I counterd, deal with it.
8:39 in we see the beast damage his equipment thus neutering Jango in combat against Mace.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmR1ee223zQ
Context. It shall set you free.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroAgain, I care not for your threats. I responded and broke your post down chronologically from top to bottom. If you do not counter my well thought out supported arguments then you concede. You don't post any evidence just your unsupported opinion anywho. Another day another concession.
Your posts are negligently ineligible... If you can't quote properly, then you've already conceded. Now do it again, or you lose the debate, and you get a spam report.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There is no way to prove the blast that doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe can't be blocked by Anakin. That isn't the point. We judge based off of objective evidence thereby comparing the power of the blasts as well as the size Anakin has blocked compared to Khan's. If there is no evidence he has ever blocked anything both that powerful and wide then there is no proof he can block it. That is how evidence works.🙂
Okay.. so you admit you DON'T KNOW whether it can block it or not correct? Let's say for example that it can block it... would you then say Khan has no chance here?
Also, who has faster speed.. reflexes and jumping ability.. Anakin or Khan?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI said I couldn't prove it since the same blast doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe not that I didn't know based on the evidence what would happen.
Okay.. so you admit you DON'T KNOW whether it can block it or not correct? Let's say for example that it can block it... would you then say Khan has no chance here?Also, who has faster speed.. reflexes and jumping ability.. Anakin or Khan?
No, I wouldn't. Jango and his crappy clones eradicated the entire Jedi order due to crushing them. Jango himself only lost to the best Jedi swordsman after his equipment was damaged by a beast.
Khan has superior marksman ship and a greater weapon than Anakin has ever blocked so it won't matter. Khan is stronger, tactically far smarter, and has ranged weapons. No brainer. Khan wins.
Originally posted by Darth MartinThis. the man is strong enough to choke someone out from across the galaxy.
The Force is a powerful ally. At that point, Vader was probably top 5 in it's use/application and arguably number one in raw power.Not to mention he can just deflect the blasts with his lightsaber.
Vader, handily.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This is going to be extremely enjoyable. Now shall we begin.......
OMG Your actually going to carry this on when I've shown clear evidence of Jedi dodging lasers.
You really are a big time troll.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hell in this very own video we see Jedi killed before being able to do jack squat about it with their precog. 2:37-2:42 in we see a Jedi easily overwhelmed by laser fire. 3 minutes in we see a female Jedi not even able to mount a defense.
I'm not talking about any old Jedi here (who btw we're all betrayed and taken completely by surprise). I'm talking about the elite, Yoda, Mace, Skywalker.
Originally posted by quanchi112
3:08-3:17 Yoda feels the losses of his ranks which alerts him to something being amiss.
LOL, so your argument is Yoda wasn't taken completely by surprise and was alerted to who his enemy might be. Great 👆
He still dodged them before they could attack.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda already previously senses a great disturbance in the force prior to this scene which tipped him off. He reacts prior to the unsuspecting clones of firing their weapons. Context it always shines the light of day.
LOL Oh it's the Clones now who were unsuspecting! 😆
The clones who went to sneak up on him and shoot him from behind, THEY WERE THE ONES WHO WERE UNSUSPECTING!
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Fact is he clearly dodged WHEN HE WAS about to get shot. Because his Force Pre-cog clearly warned him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
At 1:05 he jumps before they can shoot him
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Exactly. Khan won't be capable of getting a shot in.
Originally posted by quanchi112
which doesn't mean he is faster than lasers just faster than they were to react in this situation. Keep going and making an absolute jackass out of yourself.
Lol your making a complete fool out of yourself. I've just shown he can dodge laser blasts with the combination of his Pre-Cog and Agility.
You've lost brah. Deal and move on.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Droids lack mobility, skill, and any of the marksman ship that Khan possesses so no surprise here.
Hahaha, There was a whole army of those droids. Khan wouldn't last too long against them.
And clearly you missed the Destroyer Droids at then end. They shoot at a much faster rate than Khan, move faster and have more guns than Khan.
Yet Yoda was deflecting firepower from several of them at once. That's much much more difficult than deflecting Khan's guns. And evading Khan's guns would just be all too easy.
Your not very good at this are you?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan was beating Spock one on one hand to hand and she teleported in and blasted him 8 times. Sorry, but that isn't relevant to this thread since one he is facing one opponent. Two, he is armed. Three, he is aware of his opponent and doesn't have to face another mid battle minus a weapon.🙂
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He was beating Spock one one one!
Spock is a complete joke to a Jedi of Skywalker's caliber. And he was giving Khan the fight of his life.
All Spock needed was back up from Uhura and that's it, Khan was a gonner 😆
You've lost brah. Get on with your life. Khan is not match for Jedi as great as Skywalker and Yoda 😂
Originally posted by DARTH POWERmisrepresenting evidence isn't debating its actually the opposite. It demonstrates one of two things. 1. You either are purposefully doing so or 2. You are unable to comprehend the scene.
OMG Your actually going to carry this on when I've shown clear evidence of Jedi dodging lasers.You really are a big time troll.
I'm not talking about any old Jedi here (who btw we're all betrayed and taken completely by surprise). I'm talking about the elite, Yoda, Mace, Skywalker.
LOL, so your argument is Yoda wasn't taken completely by surprise and was alerted to who his enemy might be. Great 👆
He still dodged them before they could attack.
LOL Oh it's the Clones now who were unsuspecting! 😆
The clones who went to sneak up on him and shoot him from behind, THEY WERE THE ONES WHO WERE UNSUSPECTING!
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Fact is he clearly dodged WHEN HE WAS about to get shot. Because his Force Pre-cog clearly warned him.
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Exactly. Khan won't be capable of getting a shot in.
Lol your making a complete fool out of yourself. I've just shown he can dodge laser blasts with the combination of his Pre-Cog and Agility.
You've lost brah. Deal and move on.
Hahaha, There was a whole army of those droids. Khan wouldn't last too long against them.
And clearly you missed the Destroyer Droids at then end. They shoot at a much faster rate than Khan, move faster and have more guns than Khan.
Yet Yoda was deflecting firepower from several of them at once. That's much much more difficult than deflecting Khan's guns. And evading Khan's guns would just be all too easy.
Your not very good at this are you?
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He was beating Spock one one one!
Spock is a complete joke to a Jedi of Skywalker's caliber. And he was giving Khan the fight of his life.
All Spock needed was back up from Uhura and that's it, Khan was a gonner 😆
You've lost brah. Get on with your life. Khan is not match for Jedi as great as Skywalker and Yoda 😂
Precog. It is amusing how you all cite it to your fanboys heart content and then ignore it like mad when I rub your nose in it. The one Jedi has time to deflect blasts but is easily overwhelmed. 🙂
The video also shows Obi caught off guard by order 66. Anakin was on the other side of it and Windu had already been killed. Hooray for those badass Jedi. One night and they are almost completely eradicated.
Yoda also never jumps to avoid any laser fire he is moving around so they can't get a fix on him. A moving target is much harder to hit than a stationary one.
We also clearly see Yoda against the clones. He isn't dodging lasers he is deflecting and moving around. To avoid how Jedi don't dodge lasers while falsely proclaiming they are faster is hilariously fanboyish.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bRV-C9qBaYA
Yoda moved before they attacked. They weren't expecting him to move at all. That is exactly what happened so don't you dare lie or try to misrepresent another video.
You can't dodge an attack if they haven't attacked you absolute fool. He attacked before they fired. Simple.
The clones believed he was completely unaware of their intent to they were caught off guard. That is exactly what happened due to Yoda's connection to the losses suffered previously in the clip to the Jedi order.
1. They aren't in this close proximity. 2. Khan won't be waiting to strike like these two clones. 3. You can't ignore the circumstances of the situation and compare it to this versus thread in an effort to paint a false picture.
No, you proved he can move and be elusive making it more difficult to hit a moving target as opposed to a stationary one. I never disagreed with that stance but you aren't intelligent enough to assess a simple youtube link or lied about it. Take your pick.
Khan took out an entire squadron of Klingons as well as subdued the Enterprise crew in his film. Khan would take them out more efficiently than Yoda could possibly dream of with his laser sword.
He didn't deflect several blasts at once. He deflected their attacks separately but they don't possess khan's firepower or accuracy. Nothing as wide as the über gun blast. This is also about Vader not Yoda.
Yoda couldn't tank the nerve pinch or take him hand to hand. Neither could Anakin. Khan was not armed and was dominating someone well above human level strength. Khan is armed in this thread. When he was armed he had Kirk, Spock, and his gf at his mercy.
Anakin along with Obi were also taken prisoner in Rots at the beginning. Not very impressive me thinks.
Khan wins.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI never said it had anything to do with Khan. It does cloud his victory since another beast damaged his equipment thus taking away from Windu's victory since he didn't damage his equipment.
Yes your missing like the whole film Retard.😂 Yeah he damaged a Jet Pack which Khan doesn't even have.
That's exactly what would happen if Khan went up against a Jedi 😆
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