Bane vs. Vitiate
Takes place on the arid wastes of Korriban. No holds barred, all available weapons used and remember: this is a dark side nexus.
Round 1
POD!Bane
Round 2
ROT!Bane
Round 3
DOE!Bane
Vitiate is as depicted at the height of his powers: when he subdues the Hero of Tython and company aboard his space station.
Bane.
Vitiate all his life relied on his superior power. Combat-wise Vitiate has no real skill. He simply tries to overpower his opponent directly mentally, with TK or lightning. He never needed to actually try to outwit his opponent during combat like Dooku for example. And ones someone was powerful and skilled enough to resist Vitiate, he lost. Bane qualifies for someone powerful enough to resist attacks of Vitiate, which is all he needs.
Vitiates big weakness is in his lack of lightsaber and speed skills, which is exactly where Bane excels. However, I do think the evidence of 3 battles where Vitiate has prevented attempts to saber rush him is compelling. I think that he can probably force Bane into a contest of Force strength and Vitiate is likely the superior there.
I am, also, of opinion that Vitiate is more powerful. But powerful enough to defeat?
Mental domination works on those with weak mentality, Bane is not one of those to my knowledge.
Weaker TK? Bane only needs to mitigate Vititate's TK to the point that it doesn't cause any serious damage. So at best it will be like in Caedus vs Mara fight.
Lightning? Bane has lightsaber, which makes it easier to block lightning.
The most obvious examples of a fight of characters with different power levels are Yoda vs Dooku, Windu vs Sidious and Kenobi vs Anakin. Despite big power difference their contests had to be decided in lightsaber combat. Vitiate has no lightsaber combat skill, which puts him at significant disadvantage.
Interesting.
Bane in sabers all day easily. Lighting he can neutralize. TK I think he can overcome.
The big problem is the same one everyone else had with Vitiate: his mind domination. No question that Bane has power in that arena considering that he overcame Kaan and survived Zannah's direct attack on his mind with her Sith Sorcery. Considering that Kaan was able to simultaneously hold in thrall the entirety of the contingent of Dark Lords and bolster full battle groups of Sith fighters and warships while also disrupting the opposing forces I'd say Bane had some pretty great ability in being able to shake that off as though it were nothing.
I'd like to see some more discussion on the scope of Vitiate's mental power before deciding one way or another. In close I think Bane has what it takes to survive and win, but the mind domination may be another matter entirely.
Bane, with the enhanced durability and powers gained through his Orbalisk Armor, could not defeat 4 average Jedi Padawans and Knights and a semi-talented Master on his own.
Vitiate defeated a hyper-experienced Revan at the height of his power, a heavily modified Assassin Droid optimally specced, an experienced Meetra Surik at the height of her power, and Lord Scourge simultaneously.
Yeah, Bane is D.E.A.D.!
Originally posted by Intrepid37how do you explain that? If DOE Bane loses how the hell does ROT win! Especially considering his orb armor is a disadvantage against Force lightning, and Vitiate possesses thestrongest Force lightning in the mythos outside of DE Sidious and Abeloth.
PoD Bane dies horribly, RoT Bane destroys and DoE Bane barely loses.
Originally posted by Dolos
, a heavily modified Assassin Droid optimally specced,
T3-M4 was a highly specced Assassin Droid? Since when?
You may also have noticed Revan being a badass in his fight against Nyriss, only to get Green Mile'd by Vitiate.
IMO, the only way Bane is going to win this is if he stops the mental domination, though considering that Vitiate can mindr@pe a strike team consisting of the strongest jedi in the galaxy at the time, minus Satele, I say it's possible he could mentally stall Bane long enough to gain an advantage.
This should address the issues of the Emperor's "combat" abilities. Can't believe some of you forgot this:
Time to address misconceptions in this debate...
Originally posted by Arhael
Bane.
Originally posted by Arhael
Combat-wise Vitiate has no real skill. He simply tries to overpower his opponent directly mentally, with TK or lightning. He never needed to actually try to outwit his opponent during combat like Dooku for example.
Vitiate did not received much formal Sith training from Sith master(s) like so many other Sith; he learned about much of the stuff on his own. Several of the dark side abilities came naturally to him (e.g. Force Drain; Force Sever; Telepathic/Mental powers; Telekinetic abilities) when he was young. During ancient era; Sith took lot of interest in dark arts such as Sith Sorcery and Sith Alchemy, so Vitiate also thoroughly delved in these subjects and honed his talents accordingly; he represented ancient Sith ideals. However, he was not a fool and he was well-prepared to handle any kind of threat should the need arise.
As far as the outwit argument is concerned; are you implying that Vitiate fought mindlessly? If your answer is yes then you are actually mistaken and you don't have a clue. Continue to read below:
Vitiate acquired significant combat experience on Nathema. After he created a Sith Empire, he also developed his special powerbase which kept him alert to potential threats within the Empire. Once a threat was identified, Vitiate would prepare himself for the eventual. Like Revan, Vitiate fully understood the importance of element of surprise. When a Dark Council rebelled against him, his punishment came swiftly and the Council was purged.
During his second confrontation with Revan, Vitiate prevented his opponent from getting close to him. In addition, when Revan got distracted by Scourge's actions, Vitiate took advantage of this distraction and quickly rendered the Jedi Master unconscious. Revan's actions gave Vitiate impetus to improve his powerbase:
The Emperor created his first Voice after the legendary Jedi named Revan attempted to assassinate him on Dromund Kaas. Though Revan's plot failed, he approached within striking distance of the Emperor. To guard against further vulnerability, the Emperor created the Voice to deliver his orders while distancing himself from the forces that conspired against him. Centuries later, this very safeguard would save the Emperor once more. (SWTORE, Page 162)
So your argument makes no sense at all. Vitiate did attempt to outwit his opponents when he felt necessary and he also adopted long-term solutions to improve his safeguard.
Originally posted by Arhael
And ones someone was powerful and skilled enough to resist Vitiate, he lost.
Originally posted by Arhael
Bane qualifies for someone powerful enough to resist attacks of Vitiate, which is all he needs.
Strong Sith like Bane have served Sith Emperor; what are you smoking? Heck, stronger Sith have served him (the Emperor).