Bane vs. Vitiate

Originally posted by pencilcrayon
That video made those Jedi look really dumb. Bane has way more intelligence than to stand still and let someone attack him like that.

The Jedi assembled to arrest the Sith Emperor; conversation started which resulted in a fight; Emperor's powers were so overwhelming that the Jedi couldn't do much. Regardless, HoT and Braga put up great resistance but were eventually felled.

I have read Bane's novels; he conversed with his opponents too before dueling them.

Combat can be a matter of life and death. Caution is always advised.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This isn't guaranteed.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A Dark Councilor is capable of matching or exceeding this feat; Nyriss could utterly destroy even powerful (Jedi/Sith) with her signature FLS.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
His mental powers are swift; he broke Revan and Malak instantly.

He have broken opponents (during) combat situations; Lord Dramath and many others.

Point is that when an opponent is broke, fight ends right their...

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How strong are these technobeasts? T3 have fought in many battles and survived.

Bane edges it in force power.

Who has he handled with a saber?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
No?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I know. I was just pointing out bane's own mastery in this regard.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Is there proof he can dominate Bane's mind in an instant/mid-battle?

Heck, he have telepathically controlled an individual ranging from a normal person to an extremely powerful Jedi. He have telepathically controlled thousands of individuals simultaneously across the Galaxy.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Doesn't matter how strong they were. As T3, they were made of metal but there were 12 of them. Destroying 12 is better than destroying 1, no?

Analogy from another fiction source: T-800 Terminator was considerably more durable then T-600 Terminator.

In addition, Vitiate have never been in a situation where he had to contend with Technobeasts. He wouldn't have trouble utterly destroying them though.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Bane edges it in force power.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Who has he handled with a saber?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You haven't seen the video posted in this thread?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He have broken every opponent he wanted to; why would Bane be an exception?

Heck, he have telepathically controlled an individual ranging from a normal person to an extremely powerful Jedi. He have telepathically controlled thousands of individuals simultaneously across the Galaxy.

The Emperor, unprepared and with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan’s mind, was sent flying backward.

-Revan

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Things made up of metal are not equally durable.

Analogy from another fiction source: T-800 Terminator was considerably more durable then T-600 Terminator.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In addition, Vitiate have never been in a situation where he had to contend with Technobeasts. He wouldn't have trouble utterly destroying them though.

I

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
n sheer scale but not necessarily in potency.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Many have confronted him armed with lightsabers and end-up having their @sses handed to them.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
No. Link me.

These assembled Jedi were among the strongest of the Order.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Again, is there proof he can do it in an instant?

The Emperor, unprepared and with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan’s mind, was sent flying backward.

-Revan

Originally posted by Intrepid37
True, but there's no proof T3 is more durable/harder to destroy than the technobeasts.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Possibly, but lets work with what we've got instead of what we could've gotten.

As it stands, Bane's feat is more impressive.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I meant, has he beaten anyone by using a lightsaber?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
YouTube video

These assembled Jedi were among the strongest of the Order.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Read this: http://www.torhead.com/codex/9wLkSDC/the-emperors-fallen-jedi-knight

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
T3 is heavily customized (KoTOR: TCG). It is has been in many battles and survived.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Doesn't matters because Bane is outclassed in this contest.

Until you prove T3 is harder to disintegrate than dozens of technobeasts, Bane edges it.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Impressive, but has any of these Jedi done anything suggesting they're close to orbalisk Bane?

Braga have subdued a Dark Councilor after a very very long duel; as per member (Neph), this duel lasted several days. In addition, a (fallen) Braga gave HoT serious trouble with his Force powers when the two clashed.

HoT is extraordinary in terms of capabilities in all aspects. He has subdued several EXPERT swordsmen; slain several gigantic/deadly beasts; packed very impressive telekinetic abilities; defeated some very senior figures of the Empire in single combat; survived against impossible odds; and lot more....

On the whole, this is lot of firepower. Much more so then any single Jedi can bring on the table.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Until you prove T3 is harder to disintegrate than dozens of technobeasts, Bane edges it.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Impressive, but has any of these Jedi done anything suggesting they're close to orbalisk Bane?

In addition to what Legend says, the team is confirmed by two separate sources to be comprised of the strongest Jedi in the galaxy, and that Vitiate defeated them all 'easily.' Defeating 4 of the strongest Jedi in the galaxy at the same time easily is an unprecedented feat.

He actually disintigrated a rancor technobeast, IIRC.

Originally posted by Pwned
He actually disintigrated a rancor technobeast, IIRC.

Using the pain in his head to fuel his rage, Bane spun and leapt at the rancor, slicing both its metal legs out from under it. The laser cannons on the creature's shoulders tried to fire at him, but in the more than two hundred years since its creation the power cells had lost their charge and the only result was a barely audible click. The torso fell to the floor, but the claws still clutched for him; Bane had to leap back out of the way before lunging forward to sever the arms at the shoulders.

That enemy vanquished, he used the Force to disintegrate two more advancing technobeasts, then felt something bump against his foot. He glanced down to see that the rancor's jaws had clamped shut on his boot; it was trying to gnaw off his leg. Once again his orbalisk armor protected him from harm, and Bane sliced the rancor's head from its body, relieved to see it finally go still. (Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil)

This was the condition of technobeasts:

Once a mutated combination of flesh and technology, most of the technobeasts' living tissue had long since rotted and fallen away. What remained were desiccated strands of skin and sinew clinging to bone, supported and held together by rods, wires, and twisted scraps of metal. (Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil)

The technobeasts were in very bad condition since their bodies were in a very advanced stage of decay and their metals were rusting as well:

It was impossible to count; their bodies of rusted metal and
mummified flesh all seemed to blend together into a single ghastly mass. (Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil)

This is the actual feat:

Bane thrust out with the Force, and a dozen of the oncoming creatures exploded into dust and tiny flecks of small, twisted metal. (Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil)

Thanks to the orbalisk armor, Bane survived the assault from many technobeasts.

In contrast, Vitiate utterly destroyed T3-M4 in perfect condition; very durable droid which have endured powerful attacks without getting damaged and survived in many battles. In addition, Vitiate overwhelmed a very potent Jedi Strike Team with his Force powers; a lone Bane isn't going to stand a chance. Furthermore, Vitiate is extremely lethal with his Force Lightning; he is going to eat Bane alive.

Case closed.

Vitiate disintegrated T3 with a blast of Force energy, not confirmed to be lightning as I recall, on a dark side nexus. No evidence has been offered to indicate he could do so on neutral ground.

Good catch on the technobeast's condition. I'm less impressed by Bane after reading that to be honest.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Vitiate disintegrated T3 with a blast of Force energy, not confirmed to be lightning as I recall, on a dark side nexus. No evidence has been offered to indicate he could do so on neutral ground.

Dark side is so strong on Dromund Kaas that Kyle Katarn got mind dominated without any Force user effort.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dromund Kaas is not a nexus on the whole. Dark Temple is.

The world "bristles" with the dark side according to the official website.

The full quote says 'Even though the planet is bristling with the energy of the darkside, it is the imperial military that has the largest visible presence on Dromund Kaas.' One could argue that from the context of the second portion of the sentence that its talking about the presence of Sith rather than the darkside itself.

One really couldn't. It says "energy" of the dark side, which refers to... Y'know... The dark side.

One could. Linking it to the military presence on Dromund Kaas doesn't really make sense otherwise. What does it being a darkside nexus have to do with that?

That despite the world's unnatural strength in the dark side, it is the comparatively secular Imperial military that is the most visibly dominant presence?

Your command of the English language is appalling for a guy who lives in England. 😂

Now prove that "energy of the dark side" refers to he physical presence of dark siders.

I said 'one could' not 'I would.' I'm uninterested in arguing over this. Kinda tired after that lengthy response.