Originally posted by Ascendancy
Interesting.Bane in sabers all day easily. Lighting he can neutralize. TK I think he can overcome.
Here comes another one; seriously start admitting Bane's limitations. Star Wars is a continuously evolving lore. Bane isn't going to look great forever.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
The big problem is the same one everyone else had with Vitiate: his mind domination. No question that Bane has power in that arena considering that he overcame Kaan and survived Zannah's direct attack on his mind with her Sith Sorcery. Considering that Kaan was able to simultaneously hold in thrall the entirety of the contingent of Dark Lords and bolster full battle groups of Sith fighters and warships while also disrupting the opposing forces I'd say Bane had some pretty great ability in being able to shake that off as though it were nothing.I'd like to see some more discussion on the scope of Vitiate's mental power before deciding one way or another.
Here are some examples:
1. Sith Lord Dramath, planetary governor of Medriaas, set out to bring the boy in line. Tenebrae broke Sith Lord Dramath's mind, but not before revealing to him that he was actually his son. (SWTORE, Page 160)
2. Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon the long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side. They argued briefly over whether to alert the Republic and Jedi Council, but Revan was already too consumed by arrogance and anger to consider the possibility of defeat. By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. [Color=Blue]It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall.[/Color[ The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War. (SWTORE, Page 88)
3. The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side. Armed with incalculable powers of corruption, the Emperor easily defeats the Knight, Master Braga, and their fellow Jedi, twisting them all to the dark side. (SWTORE, Page 92)
4. "The Emperor has the ability to dominate and enslave the minds of those who serve him," she explained. "It's one of the reasons he has ruled for so long. Those that are transformed become fanatical zealots who live to serve; they are not capable of betraying him." She glanced back at the door behind which they had left the Jedi. "I suspect that instead of executing Revan as he publicly proclaimed, the Emperor turned him into a puppet of his will and sent him back to the Republic to gather information." (SWTOR: Revan)
5. "If your information proves false, however," the Emperor added, "you will suffer a fate more terrible than anything you can imagine." As he spoke, the dark circles of his eyes seemed to fill with a swirling red mist, and for a brief instant the Emperor gave Scourge a glimpse of his true self. Scourge cried out in anguish as the Emperor's mind brushed against his, then he collapsed to the floor, shaking like a child. The touch lasted less than a second, but in that time he witnessed indescribable horrors that dwarfed anything the dark side could conjure even in his worst nightmares. And beneath the formless terrors lurked the unbearable Void, the pure emptiness of total annihilation. (SWTOR: Revan)
Not to forget that how the Sith Emperor manipulated 8000 Sith Lords to do his bidding on Nathema; if Nyriss's account is correct then it is a tremendous feat. In addition, Satele Shan was reluctant to confront the Sith Emperor alongside HoT. She pointed out that any ally would succumb to the Emperor's mental influence barring HoT, this is why T7 droid accompanied HoT instead.
Of-course, Vitiate's mental powers are not infallible but they are very effective nonetheless; specially against the newcomers. And even those who have experienced such powers can be broken again unless they develop special countermeasures; case in point: Revan.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
In close I think Bane has what it takes to survive and win, but the mind domination may be another matter entirely.
Bane is unlikely to get close to him; a great deal of powerful Sith Lords have served the Sith Emperor and most of them were hesitant to challenge him. Do the math.