It's not like the hulk wasn't punched into outer space recently.
Who says that the have to punch him?
They can and its been done, superman can also easily fly around him, grab him and leave him floating in orbit.
Lmao, who cares if comic book nerd doesn't respect another. I think getting nabisco's respect and admiration is one of the least important things in H1's online alias. 😂
Originally posted by Diesldude
It's not like the hulk wasn't punched into outer space recently.
If you're talking about Starbrand, he was blasted not punched. Accuracy is important, you know.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Who says that the have to punch him?
My comment was in reply to this:
Originally posted by h1a8
Irrelevant. He gets hit away with ease.
So I think I have enough grounds to actually debate against it.
Originally posted by h1a8
They can and its been done, superman can also easily fly around him, grab him and leave him floating in orbit.
Sure worked when Gladiator tried it, right? 🙄
Originally posted by h1a8
Lmao, who cares if comic book nerd doesn't respect another. I think getting nabisco's respect and admiration is one of the least important things in H1's online alias. 😂
Well apparently you care, you took the time to post a response in h1's defense. Didn't know you cared. Ain't that sweet...
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Still with the whole nabisco schtick? What're you 9? /SMH.
Originally posted by Diesldude
I'll admit I don't know if using his per dcnu feats are allowed because he hasn't made enough appearances.
Read the rules. Here's a link in case you can't find it.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html
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Originally posted by Golgo13
I forgot this was DCnU, but Pre-Flashpoint Orion has done it before. DCnU hardly has any feats. His first appearance wasn't too long ago.
Exactly, as per forum rules, you can't use "feats" from other versions of the character, the same way other ppl can't use Exiles Surfer's "feats" to speculate about him sharpening his board and decapitating everyone via board blitz to the head (even when the Surfer has much less hesitation to use lethal force recently).
Maybe at one day he'll have those "feats" but as of now, we can't use that as a tactic.
Originally posted by NibedicusWe are taking about uppercutting not a plain straight punch. Since you are in defense of Carver then you should at least have read all of our posts and not some. In real life you can apply over 800lb of hitting force and not knock the person back. That's because of the friction forces on the ground and the small time the fist is in contact with the body.
We're not talking about "comic characters", we're talking about the Hulk. Pls focus.See? This is why I have no respect for you. You accuse ppl of "picking and choosing" when you, most of all, are the guiltiest of this in these forums. You accuse ppl of lowballing when you're the biggest lowballer here. You accuse ppl of trolling when you troll these forums the hardest (or at least ppl consider you a giant troll). You call some ppl's logic "idiotic" when even the hardcore fans of the characters you support think your logic is asinine. You accuse ppl of hypocrisy when you're the biggest hypocrite here.
That is why I show you zero respect. And I suggest you think about what I said a little bit for your own good if you have any self respect whatsoever.
Yes, Hulk can be knocked away. But acting like it's going to happen immediately all the time is asinine. Comics can, has and will ignore physics otherwise none of the "feats" they perform will be possible. Pushing, tanking punches from strong opponents, throwing objects far heavier than them away, etc. these all would not be possible. Hulk has many many times tanked punches from Cl100's w/o so much as being pushed back. There are times where he gets tossed but we need establish context for those AND to average out how often it has happened within his numerous showings for us to determine how plausible said tactic against Hulk would be in a forum fight. Following your logic, even Spiderman (who is a class 10) braced against a solid surface should be able to toss Hulk easily around with punches. Does that happen in comics? Not really. You see in these forums primary sources of proof such as scans overrule basic "logical assumptions". And for every 1 scan you can provide where Hulk was tossed by punches, I can provde 3 scans where he stood and just took it without so much as being pushed back.
Care to go on a scan war to establish averages about where Hulk has been BFRd via punches/strikes or gotten tossed in space? I'm sure a few ppl here can help us both out.
Get your head out of your butt, stop trolling and debate with an open mind, present your opinions as opinions and your facts with scans and solid logic that ppl can agree with and you'll start getting some respect around here. And please: Stop lowballing, stop picking and choosing, stop being a hypocrite and understand that many times your logic sux and many times you need to establish your "logic" before presenting it as fact (use terms like IIRC, IMO or "correct me if I'm wrong" or "I think" if you've yet to establish it). Ppl will respect you more. I say all this not to flame or troll you but I say all this because I think someone needs to tell you.
That is of course, unless your intention is to simply troll, and if that's the case kudos, you've certainly managed to bait a TON of ppl and managed to keep from getting banned, so props for that.
Also you don't understand that characters have variable strength showings in comics. Not all the time they are hitting with forces they have shown before. Otherwise Glads is always hitting with planet destroying power.
So it makes more since that if a character doesn't get hit away then the hit wasn't strong enough.
Show me Hulk resisting an uppercut without being sent flying by a class 100 being then you would have a leg to stand on.
Since you agree that it can happen sometimes then why argue? Obviously Hulk is going to get hit a lot here and it will eventually happen. Why argue for nothing?
I never lowball. Quan does that. He names low feats of characters when arguing against them. I don't. When do you ever hear me naming a character's low feats? I never do this. I name character's high feats. I think you got the term confused. I don't do anything more than what Rage and Bran does on a consistent basis against D.C. characters. So if I lowball then they do too.
Originally posted by h1a8
We are taking about uppercutting not a plain straight punch. Since you are in defense of Carver then you should at least have read all of our posts and not some. In real life you can apply over 800lb of hitting force and not knock the person back. That's because of the friction forces on the ground and the small time the fist is in contact with the body.
I'm not defending carver, I'm disagreeing with your line of reasoning as I found it extremely faulty and dependent on your discretion on what phyiscs laws apply and what do not as well as when they apply and when they do not (physics laws apply for Hulk being tossed back yet does not apply when someone runs FTL w/in the atmosphere, forces of gravity does not apply when someone moves a planet with a magic rope, etc.).
Originally posted by h1a8
Also you don't understand that characters have variable strength showings in comics. Not all the time they are hitting with forces they have shown before. Otherwise Glads is always hitting with planet destroying power.
So it makes more since that if a character doesn't get hit away then the hit wasn't strong enough.
"Variable strength" is almost meaningless. As per basic laws of physics, any amount of force that can overcome an object's force of friction should move the object in the direction of the force applied. Basically, unless you're saying the "variable strength" from Cl100s+ that has been hitting Hulk in comics are hitting him just slightly below his mass + the friction coefficient of the ground. Hell, you have Black Bolt blasting him with enough force to destroy a huge chunk of the moon and he just -walks- thru it. Physics don't really apply in comics.
Again, you either accept the laws of physics in its entirety or you don't. Else, it becomes the DEFINITION of "pick and choose".
Originally posted by h1a8
Show me Hulk resisting an uppercut without being sent flying by a class 100 being then you would have a leg to stand on.
Like this one?:
http://i.imgur.com/jPOqwCy.jpg
Why are "uppercuts" so special? IF you follow basic friction coefficients, any force higher than his weight SHOULD toss him in whatever direction. Why suddenly do uppercuts follow physics when all straights of "sufficient force" (any impact higher than his weight or any impact over 1 ton) should send him backwards, all hooks of "sufficient force" should send him spinning, all blasts that hit and generate more force than his weight should send him flying all the time. This is an example of "picking and choosing"-you pick w/c physics laws should apply and when they should be used as long as it's convenient for your argument. You either follow physics laws exclusively or you don't.
While I DO agree that, in the absence of scans that prove otherwise , by default we will apply physics laws when the argumentation is purely based on speculative estimation of what could occur in a given hypothetical situation, however, given the presence of scans that contradict physics laws, we follow the scans and not the physics laws. Follow this logical path and I'll have no problem with you.
Originally posted by h1a8
Since you agree that it can happen sometimes then why argue? Obviously Hulk is going to get hit a lot here and it will eventually happen. Why argue for nothing?
Because it's not gonna happen all the time. There will be fights where Hulk grabs someone by the neck and just pound on them. There will be fights where someone like Orion is just gonna tangle with Hulk H2H and would keep chasing him til one of them wins even IF Hulk gets tossed (my money's on Hulk). There will be fights where the Surfer just picks Hulk up while blasting the other opponents long before he even gets far (movement speedwise, Surfer is the fastest one here by far) if he does he can simply toss Hulk back and use him as a falling uber-bomb Starbrand style. I mean, with the Surfer here, how often will a BFR even stand? There's no way they can toss the Hulk fast enough or far enough for the Surfer to be unable to simply pick him back up. With Surfer's run-and-gun fighting style and superior travel speed, it won't be all that hard.
You oversimplified a very complicated fight with far more variables than simply:
Originally posted by h1a8
He gets hit away with ease.
Frankly, it's lowballing Hulk's ENTIRE history of fighting flying bricks and heralds-levelers. He's done well against them and he doesn't get BFRd w/in the first few seconds every single time. Bigtime lowballing.
Originally posted by h1a8
I never lowball. Quan does that. He names low feats of characters when arguing against them. I don't. When do you ever hear me naming a character's low feats? I never do this. I name character's high feats. I think you got the term confused. I don't do anything more than what Rage and Bran does on a consistent basis against D.C. characters. So if I lowball then they do too.
Dude. You lowball. A lot. Someone posts a "feat" and you come up with strange interpretations like "it took 20 seconds for the conversation, thus the travel time was 20 seconds" or "it was a moon not a planet" right off the bat and these are just in the 2 debates wherein I actually engaged with you. I'm sure ppl can find far more than those. I'm not saying other ppl don't lowball. But you don't call out ppl for "lowballing" when you do a lot of it yourself. It's hypocritical.
I think it's possible that Surfer could just give Hulk a portion of the Power Cosmic and then sit back and watch Hulk murder the other teams.
There's really nobody below Sky Father that would stand a chance against a Power Cosmic amped Hulk.
I don't even think Sky Father would cut it, if Hulk really let loose...
Originally posted by Nibedicus👆
Exactly, as per forum rules, you can't use "feats" from other versions of the character, the same way other ppl can't use Exiles Surfer's "feats" to speculate about him sharpening his board and decapitating everyone via board blitz to the head (even when the Surfer has much less hesitation to use lethal force recently).Maybe at one day he'll have those "feats" but as of now, we can't use that as a tactic.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I'm not defending carver, I'm disagreeing with your line of reasoning as I found it extremely faulty and dependent on your discretion on what phyiscs laws apply and what do not as well as when they apply and when they do not (physics laws apply for Hulk being tossed back yet does not apply when someone runs FTL w/in the atmosphere, forces of gravity does not apply when someone moves a planet with a magic rope, etc.).
"Variable strength" is almost meaningless. As per basic laws of physics, any amount of force that can overcome an object's force of friction should move the object in the direction of the force applied. Basically, unless you're saying the "variable strength" from Cl100s+ that has been hitting Hulk in comics are hitting him just slightly below his mass + the friction coefficient of the ground. Hell, you have Black Bolt blasting him with enough force to destroy a huge chunk of the moon and he just -walks- thru it. Physics don't really apply in comics.
Again, you either accept the laws of physics in its entirety or you don't. Else, it becomes the DEFINITION of "pick and choose".
Like this one?:
Why are "uppercuts" so special? IF you follow basic friction coefficients, any force higher than his weight SHOULD toss him in whatever direction. Why suddenly do uppercuts follow physics when all straights of "sufficient force" (any impact higher than his weight or any impact over 1 ton) should send him backwards, all hooks of "sufficient force" should send him spinning, all blasts that hit and generate more force than his weight should send him flying all the time. This is an example of "picking and choosing"-you pick w/c physics laws should apply and when they should be used as long as it's convenient for your argument. You either follow physics laws exclusively or you don't.
Because friction forces on the feet prevent or retard being hit back. It makes better sense than the uppercut scenario.
While I DO agree that, in the absence of scans that prove otherwise , by default we will apply physics laws when the argumentation is purely based on speculative estimation of what could occur in a given hypothetical situation, however, given the presence of scans that contradict physics laws, we follow the scans and not the physics laws. Follow this logical path and I'll have no problem with you.
Again comics contradict each other. When this happen then we have the right to choose the correct path. If in comics, no stronger character can get uppercutted away then you would have a fine point. But since we have instances of characters being hit far away with uppercuts then we must choose.
Because it's not gonna happen all the time. There will be fights where Hulk grabs someone by the neck and just pound on them. There will be fights where someone like Orion is just gonna tangle with Hulk H2H and would keep chasing him til one of them wins even IF Hulk gets tossed (my money's on Hulk). There will be fights where the Surfer just picks Hulk up while blasting the other opponents long before he even gets far (movement speedwise, Surfer is the fastest one here by far) if he does he can simply toss Hulk back and use him as a falling uber-bomb Starbrand style. I mean, with the Surfer here, how often will a BFR even stand? There's no way they can toss the Hulk fast enough or far enough for the Surfer to be unable to simply pick him back up. With Surfer's run-and-gun fighting style and superior travel speed, it won't be all that hard.
Surfer is not the fastest one here. Superman is. Superman is significantly faster than Surfer in combat. It takes Surfer a fraction longer to build his speed. Also Surfer doesn't fight that way. He wouldn't think of such things. Otherwise Superman would vibrate all day and sing everyone out of existence.
You oversimplified a very complicated fight with far more variables than simply:
Frankly, it's lowballing Hulk's ENTIRE history of fighting flying bricks and heralds-levelers. He's done well against them and he doesn't get BFRd w/in the first few seconds every single time. Bigtime lowballing.
Call it whatever you like but Hulk will never be a herald level being simply because he can't fly, teleport, or move very fast (relatively). That means he can bfred by any herald being easily. This is not lowballing but the truth.
Dude. You lowball. A lot. Someone posts a "feat" and you come up with strange interpretations like "it took 20 seconds for the conversation, thus the travel time was 20 seconds" or "it was a moon not a planet" right off the bat and these are just in the 2 debates wherein I actually engaged with you. I'm sure ppl can find far more than those. I'm not saying other ppl don't lowball. But you don't call out ppl for "lowballing" when you do a lot of it yourself. It's hypocritical.
No when someone mentions a feat, I find flaws in it and tell about it. I'm never the one who brings up the feat to lowball (that is what lowballing is). I do this rarely. Shame on you for not getting on Rage, Bran, Quan, and some others who consistently do this. Abhi, Me, and others would name Superman or D.C. feats. Bran, Rage, etc. automatically argues against the feat. Doesn't matter if they are right or wrong as it is their agenda and their bias that shows. I find flaws in feats that I didn't bring up. Who doesn't? And I'm not the main one doing that.
Originally posted by Diesldude
It's not like the hulk wasn't punched into outer space recently.Who says that the have to punch him?
They can and its been done, superman can also easily fly around him, grab him and leave him floating in orbit.
Lmao, who cares if comic book nerd doesn't respect another. I think getting nabisco's respect and admiration is one of the least important things in H1's online alias. 😂
When was he punched out of space? Scans.
