Ultimate Warrior

Originally posted by juggerman
Your point was they were easily captured, yet it's proven that they could have escaped well before Greivous.

And he was set to kill him. No confliction there

If someone cut off my arm and legs i'd hate them too. Anakin tried to avoid the fight all together even tho he set upon killing the Jedi. You're clearly trolling

He was not since he made it clear he will do what he must. He muct kill Sith. Anakin on the other hand tried to avoid a fight even tho he was supposed to kill Jedi. "Don't make me kill you" is your downfall. You cannot atp dance around it tho i know you can't help but try

He was conflicted about it and wanted to change his mind. Still told him not to jump. If you're committed to brutally killing someone you would taunt them to jump not beg them not to.

No, he didn't. Anakin tried and failed in killing him. He was both an emo and a complete failure.

Movie quotes prove Obi loved and was more conflicted than Anakin who slaughtered younglings.

If you don't understand the context of their conversation with phrases such as if you're not with me you're against me then please don't leave your house. You are one of those fools who would be easily manipulated.

Anakin lost badly. Awful. Undeniable. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they were easily captured. They needed R2 to escape.

He was conflicted about it and wanted to change his mind. Still told him not to jump. If you're committed to brutally killing someone you would taunt them to jump not beg them not to.

No, he didn't. Anakin tried and failed in killing him. He was both an emo and a complete failure.

Movie quotes prove Obi loved and was more conflicted than Anakin who slaughtered younglings.

If you don't understand the context of their conversation with phrases such as if you're not with me you're against me then please don't leave your house. You are one of those fools who would be easily manipulated.

Anakin lost badly. Awful. Undeniable. 😂

They didn't. They could have dispatched the droids before being brought to Greivous

Except Obi isn't the "brutally killing and taunting" type. Nice try tho. He set out to kill Ani and he clearly stated this.

He didn't what? Technically Obi tried and failed killing Ani

Quotes prove Anakin tried to get Obi to back off while Obi set about trying to kill Ani

You clearly get lost easily. Here i'll help you. Anakin: "don't make me kill you" shows he wanted Obi to back down to avoid a fight. Obi: "I will do what i must"(Pulls lightsaber) shows Obi wanted the fight and was not trying to avoid it. Better now?

Aw that's cute. You try to net an empty win since that's all you can do. No one denied Anakin lost. One day maybe you'll see what a real win is like 😂

Originally posted by FrothByte
By beat I mean that he got the advantage over Obi wan. Jango achieved his goal (to leave) and Obi wan failed to achieve his goal (stop Jango) and that's what I mean by win. Obi wan obviously got the worse end of that encounter. Not saying that Jango Fett is better than Obi wan, and I believe that if the fight was to the death that Kenobi would have won.

I pointed this out simply to show that a light saber isn't the be all end all weapon that others claim. A skilled gun user (or skilled weapons user) can give a jedi decent amounts of trouble, and in Anakin's case - a reckless move can put him a serious disadvantage against the battle hardened characters in this fight.

He also had help. It would be better stated that Jango and Boba beat Obi. ANd had Obi been trying to kill Jango i believe it would have been a much different fight like Jango vs Mace.

Originally posted by juggerman
They didn't. They could have dispatched the droids before being brought to Greivous

Except Obi isn't the "brutally killing and taunting" type. Nice try tho. He set out to kill Ani and he clearly stated this.

He didn't what? Technically Obi tried and failed killing Ani

Quotes prove Anakin tried to get Obi to back off while Obi set about trying to kill Ani

You clearly get lost easily. Here i'll help you. Anakin: "don't make me kill you" shows he wanted Obi to back down to avoid a fight. Obi: "I will do what i must"(Pulls lightsaber) shows Obi wanted the fight and was not trying to avoid it. Better now?

Aw that's cute. You try to net an empty win since that's all you can do. No one denied Anakin lost. One day maybe you'll see what a real win is like 😂

Vader attacked him. Vader announced he was going to kill him. Obi begged him not to but beat his weak as anyways. It must irk Vader fanboys incessantly that he's a crybaby failure.

Obi left which proves his confliction. Anakin laid there like a defeated crybaby. Not any different than when he lost to Dooku either.

Already provided the quote. Obi will do what he must and defend himself and kill Anakin he will since he didn't give him an option.

Vader lost in humiliating fashion.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it. We later see R2 was needed to aid in their escape.

Vader attacked him. Vader announced he was going to kill him. Obi begged him not to but beat his weak as anyways. It must irk Vader fanboys incessantly that he's a crybaby failure.

Obi left which proves his confliction. Anakin laid there like a defeated crybaby. Not any different than when he lost to Dooku either.

Already provided the quote. Obi will do what he must and defend himself and kill Anakin he will since he didn't give him an option.

Vader lost in humiliating fashion.

😂

Watch the films since you've clearly never seen them before. The droids had them dead to rights in an elevator remember? Their backs were turned toward the guns yet they still cut down everybody easily.

"Don't make me kill you"- Vader
(Pulls lightsaber first)-Obiwan -Proves you wrong.

Obi left him for dead. He had no idea Vader could have survived. His mission was done in his mind.

Obi was sent to kill Anakin by Yoda. "Send me to kill the Emperor. I will not kill Anakin.". He knew going after Anakin would be a fight to the death and he eillingly when after him. He will do what he must and that was not self defense. He was going after the kill

Slow clap....

Originally posted by juggerman
Watch the films since you've clearly never seen them before. The droids had them dead to rights in an elevator remember? Their backs were turned toward the guns yet they still cut down everybody easily.

"Don't make me kill you"- Vader
(Pulls lightsaber first)-Obiwan -Proves you wrong.

Obi left him for dead. He had no idea Vader could have survived. His mission was done in his mind.

Obi was sent to kill Anakin by Yoda. "Send me to kill the Emperor. I will not kill Anakin.". He knew going after Anakin would be a fight to the death and he eillingly when after him. He will do what he must and that was not self defense. He was going after the kill

Slow clap....

Vader attacks him. Obi defended himself. I mean watch the film. 😆

Yes, due to Anakins twisted mind. Anakin was a dope who actually believed the Jedi were evil. A more mentally inferior character in Vader I cannot even think of.

Vader was both weak mentally, overconfident in his abilities, and was soundly defeated by an inferior opponent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not even referring to that I am referring to when they were trapped in stasis, noob.

Vader attacks him. Obi defended himself. I mean watch the film. 😆

Yes, due to Anakins twisted mind. Anakin was a dope who actually believed the Jedi were evil. A more mentally inferior character in Vader I cannot even think of.

Vader was both weak mentally, overconfident in his abilities, and was soundly defeated by an inferior opponent.

I know what you are reffering to. But the fact is that the droids relesed them and took them to the General. They could have taken the droids right then but chose to allow them to go to Grevious

Wow you're dumb. Obi chose to fight. He even told Vader he was going to try to kill him. Ani struck first but Obi push the fight on

Still went to kill him. So much for self defense.

No one said otherwise. Loving them empty victories huh? 😂

Originally posted by juggerman
I know what you are reffering to. But the fact is that the droids relesed them and took them to the General. They could have taken the droids right then but chose to allow them to go to Grevious

Wow you're dumb. Obi chose to fight. He even told Vader he was going to try to kill him. Ani struck first but Obi push the fight on

Still went to kill him. So much for self defense.

No one said otherwise. Loving them empty victories huh? 😂

Obi was trying to reason with him. Anakin attacked his own wife. Wtf. Anakin was so mentally unstable he even attacked the woman he was even doing this for. Obi defended himself. You are awful when it comes to comprehension.

Obi defenses himself and crushed Vader.

You can't object to Vaders embarrassing defeat in a fair one on one battle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then what you say doesn't make sense since R2 was needed to acquire their light sabers.

Obi was trying to reason with him. Anakin attacked his own wife. Wtf. Anakin was so mentally unstable he even attacked the woman he was even doing this for. Obi defended himself. You are awful when it comes to comprehension.

Obi defenses himself and crushed Vader.

You can't object to Vaders embarrassing defeat in a fair one on one battle.

They had their lightsabers before they were taken

He did cuz he believed she brought Obi to kill him, which was the very reason Obi was there. Actually watching the film will help your ignorance

Obi came to fight. Ani tried to avoid it bit Obi was have none of that. The very first threatening move was from Obi by igniting the weapon

I never tried. He made a stupid choice and lost half his body due to it. You just keep bringing it up like you're winning a point yet you're just showing how weak your stance is.

Originally posted by juggerman
They had their lightsabers before they were taken

He did cuz he believed she brought Obi to kill him, which was the very reason Obi was there. Actually watching the film will help your ignorance

Obi came to fight. Ani tried to avoid it bit Obi was have none of that. The very first threatening move was from Obi by igniting the weapon

I never tried. He made a stupid choice and lost half his body due to it. You just keep bringing it up like you're winning a point yet you're just showing how weak your stance is.

He was wrong. He frequently was wrong. Attacked his own wife like a dumbass. Obi knew he was getting ready to attack him. Defending yourself isn't becoming a murderer despite your silly viewpoints on the matter.

You agree he wears stupid. Concession accepted. Khan isn't stupid. Advantage Khan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You agree he wears stupid. Concession accepted. Khan isn't stupid. Advantage Khan.

The action of performing a questionable act under emotional duress is not an indicator of low intelligence. Paranoia and false beliefs can make even the most articulated scientific and analytical minds do foolish things, does that make the person themselves foolish? No it does not.

In a combat situation, unless the person is overwhelmingly stupid ALL the time (Anakin being a decorated war hero with several notable victories under his belt before order 66 would not qualify) then we can assume a certain level of competence.

The only advantage you can gleam from this then, Quan, is that Kahn makes fewer emotionally charged tactical choices.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and were disarmed as they were taken as prisoners. Lol.

He was wrong. He frequently was wrong. Attacked his own wife like a dumbass. Obi knew he was getting ready to attack him. Defending yourself isn't becoming a murderer despite your silly viewpoints on the matter.

You agree he wears stupid. Concession accepted. Khan isn't stupid. Advantage Khan.

Willingly disarmed and willingly taken. Context.

Obi's sole reason for being there was to kill Anakin. Whether he attcked 1st or not his intent was Vader's death.

You're an idiot

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The action of performing a questionable act under emotional duress is not an indicator of low intelligence. Paranoia and false beliefs can make even the most articulated scientific and analytical minds do foolish things, does that make the person themselves foolish? No it does not.

In a combat situation, unless the person is overwhelmingly stupid ALL the time (Anakin being a decorated war hero with several notable victories under his belt before order 66 would not qualify) then we can assume a certain level of competence.

The only advantage you can gleam from this then, Quan, is that Kahn makes fewer emotionally charged tactical choices.

An overconfidence in ones abilities which he has shown himself to be a victim of twice is a sign of lower intelligence. History repeats itself. A fool by definition makes the same mistakes more than once.

You can pretend it all doesn't count because trust me denial is all your side has at this point since I've already taken everything else from you.

This isn't Mortal Kombat so his name is spelled Khan.

Khan is a tactician whereas Anakin shows up and foolishly believes his own abilities can conquer any given situation. We've seen the results of this play out more than once despite Obi telling him otherwise.

Originally posted by juggerman
Willingly disarmed and willingly taken. Context.

Obi's sole reason for being there was to kill Anakin. Whether he attcked 1st or not his intent was Vader's death.

You're an idiot

Vader started the fight so he Wasnt conflicted. Anakin started it and Obi defended himself. Undeniable.

You're unbelievably stupid. Self defense does not equal serial killer.

Don't know who wins in the end, but no way in hell is Maul defeating Anakin.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's not about who Obiwan beat or whether he got good or not, just that Darth Maul effectively fought two jedi's (ok jedi and a padawan) and actually got the advantage over them till Obi wan's lucky shot. Anakin IIRC never took on two jedi's (or a Jedi and a padawan) at the same time. He did defeat Dooku (who was manhandling him and Obiwan) but beating an opponent who can fight two jedi's is not quite the same as fighting two jedi's yourself.

In RotS we see him duel two Jedi in a hologram, one of whom is the Jedi Battlemaster.

Originally posted by ares834
Don't know who wins in the end, but no way in hell is Maul defeating Anakin.

In RotS we see him duel two Jedi in a hologram, one of whom is the Jedi Battlemaster.

Because Anakin defeated the far more imposing Dooku. The only way Maul may beat him if he is the emotional state he was in when he fought Kenobi...

Originally posted by ares834
Because Anakin defeated the far more imposing Dooku. The only way Maul may beat him if he is the emotional state he was in when he fought Kenobi...

Originally posted by quanchi112
They wanted R2 to release them. He initially failed and they were taken. You,keep ignoring the dialogue and playing make believe again.

Vader started the fight so he Wasnt conflicted. Anakin started it and Obi defended himself. Undeniable.

You're unbelievably stupid. Self defense does not equal serial killer.

To release them from the barrier not from the custody of the droids

Obi started it. Vader tried to avoid it. Confliction

You're clearly either an idiot or a troll. How is picking a fight self defense? Just think for once!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Falling victim to fear and paranoia while being utterly manipulated in pawning fashion is a sign of low intelligence.

No, it is a sign of a weak will, not a low intelligence. I know you are a mental midget, but that does not mean every character you debate against shares this trait.

Originally posted by quanchi112
An overconfidence in ones abilities which he has shown himself to be a victim of twice is a sign of lower intelligence. History repeats itself. A fool by definition makes the same mistakes more than once.

Once when he was a kid, and once when he was an emotional wreck. Context!

Congratulations Quan, you win this weeks Hypocritical Fool award. Now you can choke down some more Mortal Kombat Kum, and taking Khan up the butt while saying KMC is bad for hating on your godlike debating skills.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can pretend it all doesn't count because trust me denial is all your side has at this point since I've already taken everything else from you.

Yeah, because you run yourself through your own special rules, while denying the exact same privelage to other debaters, we MUST be wrong, right? You are right about one thing, denial is all you have. And in your case, it is more than a river, it is a f@cking ocean.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan is a tactician whereas Anakin shows up and foolishly believes his own abilities can conquer any given situation. We've seen the results of this play out more than once despite Obi telling him otherwise.

A battlefield tactician does not an expert warrior make, otherwise Sun Tzu would have been the greatest warrior who ever lived.

Oh, and Obi died at Vader's hands, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.