Originally posted by ares834
Don't know who wins in the end, but no way in hell is Maul defeating Anakin.In RotS we see him duel two Jedi in a hologram, one of whom is the Jedi Battlemaster.
In a straight up duel then yes, Maul may not beat Anakin (I've changed my stance since viewing the evidence).
But in an island with multiple warriors where you need to plan tactics, no way do I see the brash young Anakin winning over Maul.
Originally posted by juggermanYou admit they were trapped. Wonderful. They also needed R2 to aid them in reacquainting their light sabers.
To release them from the barrier not from the custody of the droidsObi started it. Vader tried to avoid it. Confliction
You're clearly either an idiot or a troll. How is picking a fight self defense? Just think for once!
No, Vader attacked him first. Obi defended himself. Lol at saying Obi was picking on poor child killing Vader.
Vader picked the fight and attacked first. Obi shouldn't have even let him speak since he's a child killer. Mass murdered kids and Jedi. You would say Anakin was in conflict like a chump.
Obi whooped his overrated ass.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroIt is a sign of both. You're the guy who thinks you can't lie and steal at the same time though. Irony. Anakin is clearly mentally inferior to Khan.
No, it is a sign of a weak will, not a low intelligence. I know you are a mental midget, but that does not mean every character you debate against shares this trait.Once when he was a kid, and once when he was an emotional wreck. Context!
Congratulations Quan, you win this weeks Hypocritical Fool award. Now you can choke down some more Mortal Kombat Kum, and taking Khan up the butt while saying KMC is bad for hating on your godlike debating skills.
Yeah, because you run yourself through your own special rules, while denying the exact same privelage to other debaters, we MUST be wrong, right? You are right about one thing, denial is all you have. And in your case, it is more than a river, it is a f@cking ocean.
A battlefield tactician does not an expert warrior make, otherwise Sun Tzu would have been the greatest warrior who ever lived.
Oh, and Obi died at Vader's hands, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
So despite him doing so twice you act like that doesn't count. 😂 This is what all hypocrites do they select what counts and what doesn't in hypocritical fashion. Pre suit Vader was a wreck the entire time. Just because he loses Doesnt mean we dismiss everything and say poor guy. Awful and cherry picking logic.
Quit lashing out. I know you hate working for a living but don't blame me.
Khan isn't just a tactician. Khan also excels in hand to hand combat, durability, strength, and intelligence. Being better in a certain area doesn't make you worse it makes you overall better.
Obi let Vader strike him but his body disappeared anyways. Vader can only beat an elderly Obi who allows it.
🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is a sign of both. You're the guy who thinks you can't lie and steal at the same time though. Irony. Anakin is clearly mentally inferior to Khan.
Your strange definitions and interpretations are showing again Quan.
*Sigh* you still lack context, Quan Chi never handed the amulet to Shinnok, this it was not direct stealing, it was theft by deception. And you never answered me regarding that point, you just harped on and on about it like it meant something.
Clearly, except for the force, and numerous acheivements in war Kahn could never replicate.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So despite him doing so twice you act like that doesn't count. 😂 This is what all hypocrites do they select what counts and what doesn't in hypocritical fashion. Pre suit Vader was a wreck the entire time. Just because he loses Doesnt mean we dismiss everything and say poor guy. Awful and cherry picking logic.
I never said he won Quan, you're putting words in my mouth. I said there are contextual circumstances involved. If I were to use your logic, Anakin beat the shit out of Dooku, the guy who moments earlier trashed Obi in 5 second flat. I could also say that this same Vader, after going through a gruelling duel killed Sideous, a man whom even Yoda stated would utterly crush Obi.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit lashing out. I know you hate working for a living but don't blame me.
Quit sucking and blowing at the same time. I know you hate being recognized as a trolling laughing stock but don't.... Ah who am I kidding, you'll blame everyone but yourself for your failures no matter what anyone says.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan isn't just a tactician. Khan also excels in hand to hand combat, durability, strength, and intelligence. Being better in a certain area doesn't make you worse it makes you overall better.
All these facets are easily replicated by Anakin's force powers with the exception of pure intelligence. Anakin's thought speed and reactions exceed Khan's.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Obi let Vader strike him but his body disappeared anyways. Vader can only beat an elderly Obi who allows it.🙂
And Sids, and Luke, and hords of Jedi during the purge...
The Wanking is strong with you Quan, pull harder.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroAn MK site backed me. Just relax about it already. It was theft through deception. In your world you can't lie and steal at the same time.
Your strange definitions and interpretations are showing again Quan.*Sigh* you still lack context, Quan Chi never handed the amulet to Shinnok, this it was not direct stealing, it was theft by deception. And you never answered me regarding that point, you just harped on and on about it like it meant something.
Clearly, except for the force, and numerous acheivements in war Kahn could never replicate.
I never said he won Quan, you're putting words in my mouth. I said there are contextual circumstances involved. If I were to use your logic, Anakin beat the shit out of Dooku, the guy who moments earlier trashed Obi in 5 second flat. I could also say that this same Vader, after going through a gruelling duel killed Sideous, a man whom even Yoda stated would utterly crush Obi.
Quit sucking and blowing at the same time. I know you hate being recognized as a trolling laughing stock but don't.... Ah who am I kidding, you'll blame everyone but yourself for your failures no matter what anyone says.
All these facets are easily replicated by Anakin's force powers with the exception of pure intelligence. Anakin's thought speed and reactions exceed Khan's.
And Sids, and Luke, and hords of Jedi during the purge...
The Wanking is strong with you Quan, pull harder.
Yes, he could. He'd be even more effective since he had numerous men under his command and ample resources.
There's always context. He lost a fair fight. We don't excuse him for being upset at the time. He assaulted the Jedi temple and was fine but when he ran into Obi he clearly went down. Yes, abc logic. Dooku had Obis number just like Obi had Anakins. He cheap shotted Palpatine while his back was turned and he was facing another person, Luke. That's Vaders style. Attack you while you aren't ready and flip flop. Weakest mind in all the Jedi Sith to date.
Your comments are laughable. You amuse me.
Anakin doesn't possess the skill with guns Khan possesses nor the weaponry. Anakin can't easily bring down airships like Khan can. Khan is dangerous in any situation but Anakin clearly is dependent on his saber. No, they don't. We see far less beat Anakin. Anakins cells also don't regenerate like Khans do either.
Luke bested Vader when his skills increased. Beat the shit out of him. 😂
Anakin was always spared. He was weak.
Vader had an army backing him. What a badass. 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
An MK site backed me. Just relax about it already. It was theft through deception. In your world you can't lie and steal at the same time.
No bloody site back you Quan, that was your creative interpretation going awry.
I never said that, that was Juggerman. Way to put words in my mouth.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he could. He'd be even more effective since he had numerous men under his command and ample resources.
And no force powers to replicate Anakin's feats. Not even one.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There's always context. He lost a fair fight. We don't excuse him for being upset at the time. He assaulted the Jedi temple and was fine but when he ran into Obi he clearly went down. Yes, abc logic. Dooku had Obis number just like Obi had Anakins. He cheap shotted Palpatine while his back was turned and he was facing another person, Luke. That's Vaders style. Attack you while you aren't ready and flip flop. Weakest mind in all the Jedi Sith to date.
And yet you use only that example, instead of everything he has done in order to downplay.
Cheapshotted Sids? With one arm down and no weapon? You are a failtrain wreck inmotion.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your comments are laughable. You amuse me.
You say that, but deep down, you know I'm right.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin doesn't possess the skill with guns Khan possesses nor the weaponry. Anakin can't easily bring down airships like Khan can. Khan is dangerous in any situation but Anakin clearly is dependent on his saber. No, they don't. We see far less beat Anakin. Anakins cells also don't regenerate like Khans do either.
So, Anakin is not the expert pilot the movies both said and displayed he was. Cute. Anakin can't use the force to immobilise, choke, break bones, or simply throw Khan around? Cuter. Khan gan regenerate from a LIGHTSABER strike? Cutest!
No, keep overhyping Quan, I want your cheap entertainment!
Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke bested Vader when his skills increased. Beat the shit out of him. 😂
Oh, so Luke coming back and beating the guy that beat him is a huge deal, but when Anakin does it it's only "meh"? Hypocricy is wafting from you Quan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin was always spared. He was weak.
You just made a claim, now pony up the evidence.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader had an army backing him. What a badass. 😂
And how many of those fights actually involved his troops? Don't make stupid assertions without evidence!
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zerono, wikiepdia clearly said he stole the amulet as well. It is in the thread you emo'd out in.
No bloody site back you Quan, that was your creative interpretation going awry.I never said that, that was Juggerman. Way to put words in my mouth.
And no force powers to replicate Anakin's feats. Not even one.
And yet you use only that example, instead of everything he has done in order to downplay.
Cheapshotted Sids? With one arm down and no weapon? You are a failtrain wreck inmotion.
You say that, but deep down, you know I'm right.
So, Anakin is not the expert pilot the movies both said and displayed he was. Cute. Anakin can't use the force to immobilise, choke, break bones, or simply throw Khan around? Cuter. Khan gan regenerate from a LIGHTSABER strike? Cutest!
No, keep overhyping Quan, I want your cheap entertainment!
Oh, so Luke coming back and beating the guy that beat him is a huge deal, but when Anakin does it it's only "meh"? Hypocricy is wafting from you Quan.
You just made a claim, now pony up the evidence.
And how many of those fights actually involved his troops? Don't make stupid assertions without evidence!
Glad you distanced yourself from juggs.
I used two examples. The thread also clearly states Vader pre suit so we don't ignore his mindset of when he was Lord Vader prior to being destroyed by Obi in combat.
He threw him over while he was zapping Luke. You might find the sudden betrayal completely fair but I don't. Ridiculous.
No, you are clearly wrong.
Khan wasn't in an airship when he brought the Klingon forces down. Have you not seen the film ? No, but stay tuned I'm going to assault Vaders laughable force powers and myths in my battlezone. You said Vader can do anything better than Khan the regeneration was an example of this. Don't put words into my mouth, simpleton.
I never said any of it doesn't count. It all clearly does. But Vader never beat Obi when Obi directly fought back. Vader beat Dooku once. I never said nuh uh.
Anakin was saved by Obi, then Yoda, and Obi walked away from him as he laid there burning. Luke also held back after clearly defeating Vader.
Vaders record.
Against Dooku 2-1 in favor of Dooku.
Against Obi 1-1 (Obi didn't fight ack in the second fight)
Against Luke 1-1
How is that record impressive ? He's laughable. I only include fair one on one battles despite Vader taking Dooku on with help. In my mercy I won't hold that against Vader.
Originally posted by quanchi112
no, wikiepdia clearly said he stole the amulet as well. It is in the thread you emo'd out in.
Ah, the lovely wiki, the ever editable source by any fool with a grudge.
You could at leats provide a source less questionable.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Glad you distanced yourself from juggs.
No, I'm only speaking for myself, unlike your sorry @$$.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I used two examples. The thread also clearly states Vader pre suit so we don't ignore his mindset of when he was Lord Vader prior to being destroyed by Obi in combat.
But we do get to ignore CIS, despite your pathetic rejection.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He threw him over while he was zapping Luke. You might find the sudden betrayal completely fair but I don't. Ridiculous.
He didn't bloody hiptoss him, Vader was being deep fried for several seconds while Vader carried him to that chasm, 'cause that's what eventually killed him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you are clearly wrong.
Uh huh.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wasn't in an airship when he brought the Klingon forces down. Have you not seen the film ? No, but stay tuned I'm going to assault Vaders laughable force powers and myths in my battlezone. You said Vader can do anything better than Khan the regeneration was an example of this. Don't put words into my mouth, simpleton.
No, I disputed your bullshit claim that Anakin was overspecialised and could only use 1 weapon. Clearly, you are wrong.
See, here's the thing Quan, your BZs? Nobody cares enough to debate them. You stack the deck so far against your hated opponent, you demand people actually do these things or get called cowards, trolls or other such horrendous musings from an assclown like yourself. and then, even when somebody does do one of them, and then the judgement goes against you because you never post ANY evidence, they are STILL ridiculed by you. Nobody accepts these BZs because they are absolutely worthless.
I said feats you illiterate moron.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said any of it doesn't count. It all clearly does. But Vader never beat Obi when Obi directly fought back. Vader beat Dooku once. I never said nuh uh.
And yet you discounted Anakin beating Dooku as only something he did as a darksider and that it compounded his instability, despite the fact that Luke did the EXACT same thing and suddenly your sucking Luke off.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin was saved by Obi, then Yoda, and Obi walked away from him as he laid there burning. Luke also held back after clearly defeating Vader.
Circumstance. and Obi says on screen that Anakin saved him 9 times.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Vaders record.Against Dooku 2-1 in favor of Dooku.
Against Obi 1-1 (Obi didn't fight ack in the second fight)
Against Luke 1-1
How is that record impressive ? He's laughable. I only include fair one on one battles despite Vader taking Dooku on with help. In my mercy I won't hold that against Vader.
Vader SOLOed Dooku. You have never watched ROTS, otherwise you would never have made this useless accusation.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroIt agrees with me whereas all you have is crazy juggs.
Ah, the lovely wiki, the ever editable source by any fool with a grudge.You could at leats provide a source less questionable.
No, I'm only speaking for myself, unlike your sorry @$$.
But we do get to ignore CIS, despite your pathetic rejection.
He didn't bloody hiptoss him, Vader was being deep fried for several seconds while Vader carried him to that chasm, 'cause that's what eventually killed him.
Uh huh.
No, I disputed your bullshit claim that Anakin was overspecialised and could only use 1 weapon. Clearly, you are wrong.
See, here's the thing Quan, your BZs? Nobody cares enough to debate them. You stack the deck so far against your hated opponent, you demand people actually do these things or get called cowards, trolls or other such horrendous musings from an assclown like yourself. and then, even when somebody does do one of them, and then the judgement goes against you because you never post ANY evidence, they are STILL ridiculed by you. Nobody accepts these BZs because they are absolutely worthless.
I said feats you illiterate moron.
And yet you discounted Anakin beating Dooku as only something he did as a darksider and that it compounded his instability, despite the fact that Luke did the EXACT same thing and suddenly your sucking Luke off.
Circumstance. and Obi says on screen that Anakin saved him 9 times.
Vader SOLOed Dooku. You have never watched ROTS, otherwise you would never have made this useless accusation.
You clearly insulted him as the loon he is.
You want to eliminate the characters. I don't.
We see him using whatever lightning he can as he picks up a distracted Palpatine. Vader dies. Lol.
I said Anakin clearly relies on one weapon as a crutch. You frequently misunderstand many things.
You're upset and clearly freak out when you hear the words battlezone used together. Keep running.
Calm down, kid.
Anakin bested Dooku. Clear victory but he clearly lost to Obi. I accept it all while you cherry pick.
Here's where you do your ignore thing again. Vader has been saved consistently when he loses.
They took him on together and after Dooku defeated Obi Vader then prevailed as Palpatine watched on. Calm down, hard worker.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You admit they were trapped. Wonderful. They also needed R2 to aid them in reacquainting their light sabers.No, Vader attacked him first. Obi defended himself. Lol at saying Obi was picking on poor child killing Vader.
Vader picked the fight and attacked first. Obi shouldn't have even let him speak since he's a child killer. Mass murdered kids and Jedi. You would say Anakin was in conflict like a chump.
Obi whooped his overrated ass.
Never denied it. They did not.
VAder attacked first yes. You do realise one can attack first in defense right?
Vader tried to avoid a fight which was pointed out to you and ignored countless times already. I agree Obi should have just came out swinging. He was as clearly shown
Ok
Originally posted by juggermanThey eve said they did and later showed they needed R2 aid.
Never denied it. They did not.VAder attacked first yes. You do realise one can attack first in defense right?
Vader tried to avoid a fight which was pointed out to you and ignored countless times already. I agree Obi should have just came out swinging. He was as clearly shown
Ok
Vader jumped and tried to kill him. Obi defended himself. You and your ridiculous self serving logic.
No, he started and tried killing Obi. Obi begged him not to jump and Anakin did so. What a loser.
Glad you agree.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They eve said they did and later showed they needed R2 aid.Vader jumped and tried to kill him. Obi defended himself. You and your ridiculous self serving logic.
No, he started and tried killing Obi. Obi begged him not to jump and Anakin did so. What a loser.
Glad you agree.
Needed him to release the shield
So it's impossible to attack first in defense?
Ani tried to get Obi to back down. Obi pressed on.
That he lost? How could i disagree with that?
Originally posted by juggermanSo you agree he needed him. Great.
Needed him to release the shieldSo it's impossible to attack first in defense?
Ani tried to get Obi to back down. Obi pressed on.
That he lost? How could i disagree with that?
It isn't impossible but it simply isn't accurate in this situation.
Anakin tried killing him and Obi was forced to crush him.
You argued Shang was more injured. I was waiting for the Anakin tired or something from you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you agree he needed him. Great.It isn't impossible but it simply isn't accurate in this situation.
Anakin tried killing him and Obi was forced to crush him.
You argued Shang was more injured. I was waiting for the Anakin tired or something from you.
Ah and the strawmen come out
It is
Crush? Not at all
More hypocritical butthurt i see 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you agreed.Anakin says if you're not with me you're against me. You act like he's the victim. Wow.
Yes, he crushed him at the end.
Yes, that's you.
Stawman
"Don't make me kill you"- Anakin pleading with Obi to avoid a fight.
Not really
All you. "Oh if you bring up a different thread then you're weak and whatnot but uh i can do it cuz uh i say so derrrr"- quantroll
Originally posted by juggermanNo, you agreed.
Stawman"Don't make me kill you"- Anakin pleading with Obi to avoid a fight.
Not really
All you. "Oh if you bring up a different thread then you're weak and whatnot but uh i can do it cuz uh i say so derrrr"- quantroll
That isn't pleading its declaring he is going to kill him. If you're not with me you're against me. He was a Sith Lord he Wasnt a victim.
Yes.
Concession accepted.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you agreed.That isn't pleading its declaring he is going to kill him. If you're not with me you're against me. He was a Sith Lord he Wasnt a victim.
Yes.
Concession accepted.
Strawman
It is. "don't make me kill you" proves it. I never said he was a victim.
Nope
More hypocrisy and butthurt i see 😂