Spectre(Corrigan and Jordan, not at the same time) vs Mandrakk

I know that Crispus got his ass handed to Mandrakk but in terms of feats, Crispus is by far the weakest incarnation in my opinion. Why? Because he struggled to put down the Butcher entity which has no solid feats at all, struggled against a normal Parallax Hal who did not have the various power amps that his Zero Hour version had, whom Corrigan indirectly beat with ease. Also failed to pass judgement on Nekron due to him lacking a soul, whereas Asmodel and Jordan easily curb stomped Neron, who had no soul as well.

Spectre (Corrigan) vs Mandrakk

Spectre (Jordan) vs Mandrakk

PIS is off.

nekron is not the same as neron

also which version of mandrakk are you using?

Mandrakk wins. I wouldn't say spite though

Originally posted by operator616
nekron is not the same as neron

also which version of mandrakk are you using?

I know that they are not the same. I just gave an example of Spectre's power working on someone who does not have a soul. Well I am using Rox Ogama Mandrakk. But you can add Dax Novu if you want.

Originally posted by SithLantern93
I know that they are not the same. I just gave an example of Spectre's power working on someone who does not have a soul. Well I am using Rox Ogama Mandrakk. But you can add Dax Novu if you want.

Originally posted by SithLantern93
I know that they are not the same. I just gave an example of Spectre's power working on someone who does not have a soul. Well I am using Rox Ogama Mandrakk. But you can add Dax Novu if you want.

i see

can you specify when did hal and asmodel stomp neron?

the only time they "fought" (unless im missing something) was in day of judgment #5, when the spectre-force was choosing between asmodel, neron and hal, in which case it chose hal:

http://i.imgur.com/aB9IAqB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0UV8aD5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vSnImcF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lXe9MQa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lx3nYqF.jpg

also, the 2nd mandrakk doesn't have a lot feats to go by, he supposedly defeated spectre and radiant off panel, and we shouldn't ignore the events that happened to spectre in final crisis revelations which weakened him. and then this mandrakk got beaten by a couple of GLs.

Originally posted by operator616
i see

can you specify when did hal and asmodel stomp neron?

the only time they "fought" (unless im missing something) was in day of judgment #5, when the spectre-force was choosing between asmodel, neron and hal, in which case it chose hal:

http://i.imgur.com/aB9IAqB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0UV8aD5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vSnImcF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lXe9MQa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lx3nYqF.jpg

also, the 2nd mandrakk doesn't have a lot feats to go by, he supposedly defeated spectre and radiant off panel, and we shouldn't ignore the events that happened to spectre in final crisis revelations which weakened him. and then this mandrakk got beaten by a couple of GLs.

He did using the purified Spear of Destiny, not his own power. Besides it was also only the Earth that Crispus restored IIRC.

Originally posted by SithLantern93
He did using the purified Spear of Destiny, not his own power. Besides it was also only the Earth that Crispus restored IIRC.

it wasn't the universe, at least it didn't seem like it was.

the exact statements was, unmake creation, rebuild the world in darkseid's name:

that's what we get from the end of issue 4:

http://i.imgur.com/NF8MUmE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1pnFiom.jpg

however in the beginning of issue 5 we clearly see that only one world (earth) is affected and not the entire universe:

http://i.imgur.com/Npn11x4.jpg

as for spectre getting his power back, that's not what happened. in the end, the crispus was surprised that God allowed his son to be returned, which was an incentive for him to undo all the damage he has done, and he did it through the spear of destiny, nothing suggesting that he returned to full power, much less a bit more:

http://i.imgur.com/rplO8Qt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/S47f5WM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BBCw20Q.jpg

Originally posted by operator616
it wasn't the universe, at least it didn't seem like it was.

the exact statements was, unmake creation, rebuild the world in darkseid's name:

that's what we get from the end of issue 4:

http://i.imgur.com/NF8MUmE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1pnFiom.jpg

however in the beginning of issue 5 we clearly see that only one world (earth) is affected and not the entire universe:

http://i.imgur.com/Npn11x4.jpg

as for spectre getting his power back, that's not what happened. in the end, the crispus was surprised that God allowed his son to be returned, which was an incentive for him to undo all the damage he has done, and he did it through the spear of destiny, nothing suggesting that he returned to full power, much less a bit more:

http://i.imgur.com/rplO8Qt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/S47f5WM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BBCw20Q.jpg

Yes, I did say it was only one universe, never multiverse.
No, you are right, apparently, he only affected the earth.
You are wrong thought on the last part. Nothing indicates that he was not at full power. Crispus son was returned because the faceless wished for it. The minute Crispus was handed the Spear of Destiny, he was back to his normal power levels. Him not being able to affect cain, or the few others who were affected by the ALE is a matter that was never within Spectre ability to do so. What suggested that he wasn't back at full power I don't understand, can you point it out?

renee (the question) did it through the spear not because she wished for it, and crispus was surprised that God allowed his son to come back, which motivated him to undo all the damage he has done (when he unamde the earth) through the spear of destiny (not under his own power).

Originally posted by operator616
renee (the question) did it through the spear not because she wished for it, and crispus was surprised that God allowed his son to come back, which motivated him to undo all the damage he has done (when he unamde the earth) through the spear of destiny (not under his own power).

He used the spear because the people were affected by the ALE. I was stated in #4, his powers can't affect those affected by it. This is why he used the spear. This however, doesn't mean he wasn't back to his full power.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
She wished for it using the spear, obviously 😉

He used the spear because the people were affected by the ALE. I was stated in #4, his powers can't affect those affected by it. This is why he used the spear. This however, doesn't mean he wasn't back to his full power.

yeah sorry, i misunderstood you

i get your point, but there wasn't any mention that he was at full power either, on the contrary, one second he was on the floor in the next he is holding the spear restoring all the damage without a statement saying that he is back at full power.

Originally posted by operator616
yeah sorry, i misunderstood you

i get your point, but there wasn't any mention that he was at full power either, on the contrary, one second he was on the floor in the next he is holding the spear restoring all the damage without a statement saying that he is back at full power.

IMO, Morrison's intent was for Mandrakk to be the ultimate enemy. I know this because that's exactly what Morrison called him.

In all seriousness though, Mandrakk would win over any Spectre. Mandrakk had literal plot device power -- the ability to consume stories. Per Morrison, the only thing capable of defeating Mandrakk was a being whose story was so great it couldn't be consumed -- Superman's.

Barring Superman and omnipotents and the like, nobody's taking down Mandrakk. That's how Morrison wrote it, that's what he intended, and until shit gets retconned that's the way it is.

Originally posted by Cogito
IMO, Morrison's intent was for Mandrakk to be the ultimate enemy. I know this because that's exactly what Morrison called him.

In all seriousness though, Mandrakk would win over any Spectre. Mandrakk had literal plot device power -- the ability to consume stories. Per Morrison, the only thing capable of defeating Mandrakk was a being whose story was so great it couldn't be consumed -- Superman's.

Barring Superman and omnipotents and the like, nobody's taking down Mandrakk. That's how Morrison wrote it, that's what he intended, and until shit gets retconned that's the way it is.

Originally posted by Cogito
IMO, Morrison's intent was for Mandrakk to be the ultimate enemy. I know this because that's exactly what Morrison called him.

In all seriousness though, Mandrakk would win over any Spectre. Mandrakk had literal plot device power -- the ability to consume stories. Per Morrison, the only thing capable of defeating Mandrakk was a being whose story was so great it couldn't be consumed -- Superman's.

Barring Superman and omnipotents and the like, nobody's taking down Mandrakk. That's how Morrison wrote it, that's what he intended, and until shit gets retconned that's the way it is.

That is why I added ''no PIS''. I know that Morrison is a Supes fanboy and Mandrakk is a walking plot device.

Originally posted by SithLantern93
That is why I added ''no PIS''. I know that Morrison is a Supes fanboy and Mandrakk is a walking plot device.

That's not plot induced stupidity, it's just plot. Not liking a character's powerset isn't PIS.

Originally posted by Cogito
That's not plot induced stupidity, it's just plot. Not liking a character's powerset isn't PIS.

I don't dislike Mandrakk. I am just trying to imply that he is not as powerful as most people wank him. In my humble opinion, the idea of ''eating stories'' and Superman's story being the greatest story is just ridiculous. I am not denying the fact that Mandrakk is multiversal powerhouse who can easily destroy realities. But if you can defeat both Spectre and Radiant at the same time and get defeated by 52 Supermen and nearly powerless 5 Green Lanterns, there is just something wrong there. Mandrakk could have been treated much much much better. I would have loved to see him wrestle with Michael and Lucifer and give them their toughest fight. It is just my humble opinion.