Spectre(Corrigan and Jordan, not at the same time) vs Mandrakk

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xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by SithLantern93
I don't dislike Mandrakk. I am just trying to imply that he is not as powerful as most people wank him. In my humble opinion, the idea of ''eating stories'' and Superman's story being the greatest story is just ridiculous. I am not denying the fact that Mandrakk is multiversal powerhouse who can easily destroy realities. But if you can defeat both Spectre and Radiant at the same time and get defeated by 52 Supermen and nearly powerless 5 Green Lanterns, there is just something wrong there. Mandrakk could have been treated much much much better. I would have loved to see him wrestle with Michael and Lucifer and give them their toughest fight. It is just my humble opinion.

Dude, you clearly didn't understand what Cogito said. Remember Superman's Story is what is what defeats Mandrakk. In FC7, the narration is future tense telling you of the story about a boy send from a dying world...etc. That story, that specific concept is what Mandrakk was never able to consume. I interrupt it as it is, MAndrakk is the concept that feeds and kills story. He is the last thing that will be alive when DCU ends. Yet, even then, it is that one story that will never died, the origin on Superman. Mandrakk died at the end of FC7 because Superman prevailed, his Story>Mandrakk

Cogito Senior Member
Originally posted by SithLantern93
I don't dislike Mandrakk. I am just trying to imply that he is not as powerful as most people wank him. In my humble opinion, the idea of ''eating stories'' and Superman's story being the greatest story is just ridiculous. I am not denying the fact that Mandrakk is multiversal powerhouse who can easily destroy realities. But if you can defeat both Spectre and Radiant at the same time and get defeated by 52 Supermen and nearly powerless 5 Green Lanterns, there is just something wrong there. Mandrakk could have been treated much much much better. I would have loved to see him wrestle with Michael and Lucifer and give them their toughest fight. It is just my humble opinion.

The Mandrakk that consumed stories and was defeated by Cosmic Armor Superman is an entirely different character from the one who was defeated by the Supermen of the multiverse, GL Corps, and angelic hosts.

Two entirely separate characters.

SithLantern93 Senior Member

Originally posted by Cogito
The Mandrakk that consumed stories and was defeated by Cosmic Armor Superman is an entirely different character from the one who was defeated by the Supermen of the multiverse, GL Corps, and angelic hosts.

[b]Two entirely separate characters. [/B]

Sorry for confusing Dax Novu and Rox Ogama. But did not both Mandrakks were capable of consuming stories IIRC?

Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by operator616
i see

can you specify when did hal and asmodel stomp neron?

the only time they "fought" (unless im missing something) was in day of judgment #5, when the spectre-force was choosing between asmodel, neron and hal, in which case it chose hal:

http://i.imgur.com/aB9IAqB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0UV8aD5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vSnImcF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lXe9MQa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lx3nYqF.jpg

also, the 2nd mandrakk doesn't have a lot feats to go by, he supposedly defeated spectre and radiant off panel, and we shouldn't ignore the events that happened to spectre in final crisis revelations which weakened him. and then this mandrakk got beaten by a couple of GLs.

Neron was keeping Spectre as a sex slave before after he owned him with a contract

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Mandrakk.

He operates on a metatextual level, and he can only defeated by the story itself, or 'a story' overcoming his story-entropy. Which is what happened to both Mandrakk I [Superman in his purest form] and Mandrakk II [the Multiverse's story potential].

Golgo13 Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
Mandrakk.

He operates on a metatextual level, and he can only defeated by the story itself, or 'a story' overcoming his story-entropy. Which is what happened to both Mandrakk I [Superman in his purest form] and Mandrakk II [the Multiverse's story potential].

The threat in Morrison's Multiversity is going to own both Mandrakk's. 😛

operator616 Senior Member

dont really know why people are using the story argument to make mandrakk more impressive than he actually is, i am against the idea when comic characters go beyond comic boundaries, we can take queen of fables for example, she apparently had the power over fiction:

http://i.imgur.com/BJHQOOo.jpg

shouldn't she be more powerful than mandrakk based on this statement?

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

She had control over the fiction within the Comic Book Universe.

Mandrakk is the entropy/anti-fiction/anti-story for the whole concept of Comic Book Universe.

operator616 Senior Member

which makes her statement of having power over fiction inside DCU more impressive than mandrakk who is only as you said, the entropy of DCU.
going by the statement that she has control over fiction inside DCU, we can assume that she can summon an entropy concept from any other fictional realm who is equivalent to mandrakk.
that's why im saying that "eating the story" isn't a legitimate argument for a character inside a fictional story, because obviously no matter how powerful the character may be, he can't actually eat the story literally as many people make it out to be.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Mandrakk.

Morrison being Morrison doesn't detract from Mandrakk's power or how it worked.

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by operator616
which makes her statement of having power over fiction inside DCU more impressive than mandrakk who is only as you said, the entropy of DCU.
going by the statement that she has control over fiction inside DCU, we can assume that she can summon an entropy concept from any other fictional realm who is equivalent to mandrakk.
Her having power over fiction that is inside the overall fictional Universe that is the comic book one doesn't make her more impressive - because the area in which she operates is within the concept of fiction itself, something which Mandrakk is the antithesis of. Whether she summons an embodiement of Universal entropy or not - she still summons a fictional representation of it. Mandrakk's whole purpose is that he opposes that - everything that is fictional is within his grasp to eat [and that includes everything fictional Queen of Fables will ever do or summon].

Think of it like this:

Queen of Fables is on a piece of paper. On that paper, entropy can be drawn. She can summon whatever she wants.

But Mandrakk is the paper crusher machine. He doesn't care what's written on the paper - it's still fiction, which he is the entropy of.

The loopholes like the story of Superman are, let's say, a metallic edge of the paper, that stops the paper crusher from consuming it.

operator616 Senior Member

to clarify my point further, later in the issue we see flash (dont be surprised by his look since the whole league has been transformed) comments that they should stop her before she reads datne's inferno (and thus make it real) implying that she actually has power over fiction, now im not that knowledgable on date's inferno but i know there's a God (with a capital G) and devil in this verse, so what's not to argue that she can summon God (or anyone for that matter), an omnipotent entity and represent the concept of entrpy just like mandrakk does?

http://i.imgur.com/zQE4HcW.jpg

note that my point isn't that queen of fables is more powerful than mandrakk (imo she definitely isn't) im just saying that these kind of statements are hyperbolic and shouldn't be taken seriously.

xJLxKing Senior Member

^ It's still in the realm of fiction 😄

Though I don't like Philo's explanation

operator616 Senior Member

^this post wasn't for your last comment since i didn't see it.

to answer your last point.

i see your point but you're ignoring 2 critical points:

1. mandrakk only operates on DC scale not on the entire fiction.

2. if mandrakk is like you make him out to be, he wouldn't have lost to a fictional character (thought robot) nor mandrakk 2 would have been killed by a couple of GLs.

xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by operator616
^this post wasn't for your last comment since i didn't see it.

to answer your last point.

i see your point but you're ignoring 2 critical points:

1. mandrakk only operates on DC scale not on the entire fiction.

2. if mandrakk is like you make him out to be, he wouldn't have lost to a fictional character (thought robot) nor mandrakk 2 would have been killed by a couple of GLs.

He lost to one thing. A story, the only story which can not be eaten, destroyed, or lost. Even after Superman dies, the story of the boy who was send to earth in a ship will remain. That story is what beat Mandrakk because he can never consume it, never make people forget it 😂

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by operator616
^this post wasn't for your last comment since i didn't see it.

to answer your last point.

i see your point but you're ignoring 2 critical points:

1. mandrakk only operates on DC scale not on the entire fiction.

2. if mandrakk is like you make him out to be, he wouldn't have lost to a fictional character (thought robot) nor mandrakk 2 would have been killed by a couple of GLs.

He lost to something that he created before he was corrupted - the ultimate defender of existence, who adapted to any threat powered by the unstoppable and indestructible story of Superman, as they fought on a realm of pure ideas.

You have to stop treating this as "energy discharge" mentality. The story was metatextual for a reason - and his 'defeats' came within the same context. Superman, in his pure thought form, is a stronger idea, that will forever defend the comic book world. Nix Uotan, a younger, more optimistic Monitor came to show Mandrakk II that there is still story potential, that ideas are still there, and forever will be - that the Multiverse, the 'story' will not die.

Imagination is the failsafe of the Multiverse against Mandrakk.

Once you start thinking about how the Monitors represented the writers, and their different type of mentalities [the old, destructive ones or the young, creative optimistic ones like Nix Uotan], it will be clearer.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Philosophía
Mandrakk.

He operates on a metatextual level, and he can only defeated by the story itself, or 'a story' overcoming his story-entropy. Which is what happened to both Mandrakk I [Superman in his purest form] and Mandrakk II [the Multiverse's story potential].

I agree.

Spectre cannot hope to defeat a confirmed metasexual, like Mandrakk. 👆

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.

Spectre cannot hope to defeat a confirmed metasexual, like Mandrakk. 👆

👆

Imagine how big his dick is, not scaled inside the Multiverse.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Philosophía
Mandrakk.

He operates on a metatextual level, and he can only defeated by the story itself, or 'a story' overcoming his story-entropy. Which is what happened to both Mandrakk I [Superman in his purest form] and Mandrakk II [the Multiverse's story potential].

Hyperbole. No limits fallacy.

xJLxKing Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hyperbole. No limits fallacy.