It was painfully obvious that if Parallax wanted his younger self dead (which would be counter productive) he could have done so. He wanted Hal to willingly join him and come around to his line of thinking and was grossly holding back his power. Sure, it's a feat for Hal, blowing it out of proportion doesn't make sense.
You're better off using his recent feats under Johns to justify him "shitting all over anything Thor has ever done" than this feat. And of course, ignoring his average and lower end feats as well as Thor's feats as a whole in addition to how his powerset meshes against Hal's.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
😬ZH Parallax being staggered and briefly stalemated by a younger Hal Jordan whom he didn't want to kill is more along the lines of a horrible low showing for Parallax than it is a feat that "shits on anything Thor has done".
Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't have to sugarcoat it jake. Thor's feats can be dismissed like that too as low showings for celestials/zeus/whatever.
Sugar coating? Are you serious here?
Thor fighting beings out his tier is one thing (and yes, a lot of those have context). A vastly more powerful and experienced version of Hal Jordan holding back a great deal of his power and as such being staggered and very briefly stalemated by a younger, less powerful, and less experienced version of himself is something else entirely.
Trying to act like that "feat" shits on everything Thor has ever done is ridiculous and completely untrue.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Sugar coating? Are you serious here?Thor fighting beings out his tier is one thing (and yes, a lot of those have context). A vastly more powerful and experienced version of Hal Jordan holding back a great deal of his power and as such being staggered and very briefly stalemated by a younger, less powerful, and less experienced version of himself is something else entirely.
Trying to act like that "feat" shits on everything Thor has ever done is ridiculous and completely untrue.
Parallax was trying to remove hal from the timeline. Was he holding back? Yes. That doesn't mean hurting him and stalemating him isn't a monster feat. Show me Thor being more than an insect to a universal level abstract even if he's holding back and then I would consider your stance. As it is hal stalemating ZH Parallax shits on anything Thor has done.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I'm serious.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Parallax was trying to remove hal from the timeline. Was he holding back? Yes. That doesn't mean hurting him and stalemating him isn't a monster feat. Show me Thor being more than an insect to a universal level abstract even if he's holding back and then I would consider your stance. As it is hal stalemating ZH Parallax shits on anything Thor has done.
What? My God, Abhi, I know you get horrendously agitated - to say the least - when someone lowballs a DC character, but turning around and using a non-feat for ZH Parallax while simultaneously lowballing the phuck out of Thor doesn't do you any credit. It's like clockwork, honestly.
ZH Parallax was trying to convince Hal to agree with him and was his primary motivation, a hell of a lot more so than removing Hal from the timeline. Parallax was trying to appeal to Hal, to get a moral victory more so than just be rid of him - which he could have done so at any time by using more of his power.
Further more, acting like that feat or any of Hal's other high end feats put him outside of Thor's range, let alone make him beyond Mjolnir's means to basically nullify Hal's entire means of waging combat, is phucking insane.
So, really, if you're just mad at people not respecting Hal as much as you'd like or are just trolling, okay. But if you're legitimately thinking that a stronger, more experienced version of Hal massively handicapping himself against a weaker and less experienced version of himself translates into Hal Jordan >>> Thor, I don't even know what to say to that.
Originally posted by "Id"
JakeTheBank.abhilegend.
Thats post Zero Hour Parallax. Remember in Crisis on Infinite Time, Hal exhausted much of the energy from the Central Battery. Though powerful in his own right, he was hardly operating 100%.
Despite his being weaker, thats still an impressive showing for Young Hal.
Ah, okay. Said fight makes a hell of a lot more sense if true. I'll have to look into it.
It's an impressive feat for Hal, but acting like it's so far beyond anything Thor ever did is phucking whack, no?
Even if it is Zero Hour Parallax with all the power of the Central Battery + Entropic energies, it's abundantly clear he's fighting down to Hal's level to prove a point. At any time, he could have dismissed his younger and less powerful self, but he kept screaming about why he was justified in everything he did. He also didn't expect his younger self to be so vehemently opposed to his actions or even know everything that transpired (his shock over young Hal knowing about Ollie's death).
If ZH Parallax showed up and fought Thor with the same conviction as he was trying to fight Hal, I have no doubt at all - and neither should anyone else - that Thor would be able to stagger him and effect him with his physical blows, let alone some of his more powerful energy/lightning attacks. Unless you think rookie Hal was at that time a universal+ being and/or ZH Parallax wasn't holding back a great deal of power and exercising restraint.
Which is...lol
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI'm not lowballing thor. You're lowballing hal though.What? My God, Abhi, I know you get horrendously agitated - to say the least - when someone lowballs a DC character, but turning around and using a non-feat for ZH Parallax while simultaneously lowballing the phuck out of Thor doesn't do you any credit.
It's like clockwork, honestly.Pot, Kettle and all that shit.
ZH Parallax was trying to convince Hal to agree with him and was his primary motivation, a hell of a lot more so than removing Hal from the timeline. Parallax was trying to appeal to Hal, to get a moral victory more so than just be rid of him - which he could have done so at any time by using more of his power.Honestly, have you read the comic? Read the comic again, Parallax was trying to remove hal from the timeline since he didn't belong there. That was the sole reason he stopped at that time when he was returning from vanishing point after killing time-trapper.
Further more, acting like that feat or any of Hal's other high end feats put him outside of Thor's range, let alone make him beyond Mjolnir's means to basically nullify Hal's entire means of waging combat, is phucking insane.Prove mjolnir can absorb emotional spectrum energies let alone overpower hal's own willpower at controlling his energies.
So, really, if you're just mad at people not respecting Hal as much as you'd like or are just trolling, okay.I'm not mad at all. Quit putting words in my mouth.
But if you're legitimately thinking that a stronger, more experienced version of Hal massively handicapping himself against a weaker and less experienced version of himself translates into Hal Jordan >>> Thor, I don't even know what to say to that.Give a comparable thor showing or shut up. I'm not willing to play your word games here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not lowballing thor. You're lowballing hal though. Pot, Kettle and all that shit.Honestly, have you read the comic? Read the comic again, Parallax was trying to remove hal from the timeline since he didn't belong there. That was the sole reason he stopped at that time when he was returning from vanishing point after killing time-trapper.
Prove mjolnir can absorb emotional spectrum energies let alone overpower hal's own willpower at controlling his energies.
I'm not mad at all. Quit putting words in my mouth. Give a comparable thor showing or shut up. I'm not willing to play your word games here.
How the phuck am I lowballing Hal? By saying his high end feats don't translate into him suddenly becoming a trans-tier and up being? By saying his high end feats don't suddenly make him >>> other high heralds with equally high end feats, let alone powersets that are just bad match ups for him?
He wanted to remove Hal from the timeline, but he was way more concerned with convincing Hal that he was in the right. It's in the panels you posted. He was trying to convince Hal - and himself - that everything he did and planned on doing was for the good of the universe. Hal didn't buy it. Parallax being shocked that his younger self was in the present and disgusted by his actions doesn't make younger Hal equal to Parallax in power. That's stupid beyond belief. Either you think young Hal was = ZH Parallax and as such a universal being or you believe ZH Parallax was holding back an absurd amount of energy and exercising restraint so that he wouldn't kill himself. I mean, shit, Hal hurt Parallax by grabbing his cape and swinging him into a pillar. WTF?
Prove Mjolnir can absorb energy? Are you out of your mind? Mjolnir's energy absorbing feats and their success rate speak for themselves, as have the other devices and beings that have absorbed Lantern energy. Arguing that Thor can't absorb the energy from a power ring is lowballing. The source of said energy being apart of the electromagnetic emotional spectrum doesn't make it "special" energy that Mjolnir can't absorb.
So you're trolling, then? Okay. Because the alternative is that you're serious in thinking Hal is so far beyond Thor which is one of the most absurd claims made on KMC yet. You want a showing of Thor hurting a vastly more powerful character fighting down to his level? Do they have to be more durable than ZH Parallax was in that fight?
Originally posted by abhilegend😂
Yes, I'm serious.Parallax was trying to remove hal from the timeline. Was he holding back? Yes. That doesn't mean hurting him and stalemating him isn't a monster feat. Show me Thor being more than an insect to a universal level abstract even if he's holding back and then I would consider your stance. As it is hal stalemating ZH Parallax shits on anything Thor has done.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankNitpicking and applying context where no such thing exists.
How the phuck am I lowballing Hal?
By saying his high end feats don't translate into him suddenly becoming a trans-tier and up being? By saying his high end feats don't suddenly make him >>> other high heralds with equally high end feats, let alone powersets that are just bad match ups for him?Nobody is saying that. Hal's high end feats are superior to Thor's high end feats though.
He wanted to remove Hal from the timeline, but he was way more concerned with convincing Hal that he was in the right.Means nothing.
It's in the panels you posted. He was trying to convince Hal - and himself - that everything he did and planned on doing was for the good of the universe. Hal didn't buy it. Parallax being shocked that his younger self was in the present and disgusted by his actions doesn't make younger Hal equal to Parallax in power. That's stupid beyond belief. Either you think young Hal was = ZH Parallax and as such a universal being or you believe ZH Parallax was holding back an absurd amount of energy and exercising restraint so that he wouldn't kill himself. I mean, shit, Hal hurt Parallax by grabbing his cape and swinging him into a pillar. WTF?Hal stalemating, how briefly ZH Parallax in a contest of power is beyond Thor. You can nitpick it however you want.
Prove Mjolnir can absorb energy?Emotional spectrum.
Are you out of your mind? Mjolnir's energy absorbing feats and their success rate speak for themselves, as have the other devices and beings that have absorbed Lantern energy.Devices specifically designed to absorb emotional spectrum energies makes mjolnir as able to absorb GL energies as a random power pack member draining mjolnir entirely makes GL ring absorbing its energies.
Arguing that Thor can't absorb the energy from a power ring [b]is lowballing.It isn't.
The source of said energy being apart of the electromagnetic emotional spectrum doesn't make it "special" energy that Mjolnir can't absorb.GL energy isn't part of EM spectrum.
So you're trolling, then? Okay. Because the alternative is that you're serious in thinking Hal is so far beyond Thor which is one of the most absurd claims made on KMC yet.Good thing is I made no such claim.
You want a showing of Thor hurting a vastly more powerful character fighting down to his level? Do they have to be more durable than ZH Parallax was in that fight? [/B]Thor stalemating someone at that level in direct contest of power.
Originally posted by "Id"Thanks for bringing the truth to light. Of course that detail was omitted.
JakeTheBank.abhilegend.
Thats post Zero Hour Parallax. Remember in Crisis on Infinite Time, Hal exhausted much of the energy from the Central Battery. Though powerful in his own right, he was hardly operating 100%.
Despite his being weaker, thats still an impressive showing for Young Hal.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nitpicking and applying context where no such thing exists. Nobody is saying that. Hal's high end feats are superior to Thor's high end feats though.Means nothing. Hal stalemating, how briefly ZH Parallax in a contest of power is beyond Thor. You can nitpick it however you want.
Emotional spectrum. Devices specifically designed to absorb emotional spectrum energies makes mjolnir as able to absorb GL energies as a random power pack member draining mjolnir entirely makes GL ring absorbing its energies. It isn't. GL energy isn't part of EM spectrum.
Good thing is I made no such claim. Thor stalemating someone at that level in direct contest of power.
Such as what? Would you rather we just said "phuck context!"? Because that would get us nowhere. And you're deluded if you don't think there's a crapload of context to Hal "stalemating" ZH Parallax. Hal's high end feats aren't superior to Thor's, especially when Thor has a weapon that basically counters pretty much everything Hal can do offensively and defensively.
So Parallax fighting down to Hal's level, trying to convince him that he's not off his rocker and that he's the best thing for the universe means nothing? Yeah, no, that's part of the context you want to ignore in order to get to the conclusion that a time displaced young Hal Jordan is equal in power to ZH Parallax...which is so utterly asinine I'm still not convinced you're not just messing with people here. If ZH Parallax fought Thor with the same intent and conviction he fought Hal - trying to talk reason into him and get him to see how right he is - Thor would easily be able to cause him as much pain and discomfort that Hal did. Getting slammed into boulders and cars and cement pillars is well within Thor's ability to do to Parallax.
So Green Lantern energy, provided by willpower, isn't a part of the electromagnetic emotional spectrum? What? So you think a Manhunter's skull is more effective at energy absorbing than Mjolnir is just because it's designed to siphon energy from a power ring...even though Mjolnir's contained far larger amounts of energy? That's insane. Thor's absorbed everything from high end sorcery to radiation to electromagnetic energy to energy from the Phoenix Force to the Power Cosmic but a power ring is beyond him? Why? Give me one good reason a power ring is beyond Mjolnir's capabilities to absorb outside of it being emotional energy.
Okay. Thor's hurt vastly more durable beings than that which ZH Parallax shown in that fight, some of which displayed greater power output than what he also showed in that fight. Unless you want to ignore the specifics of that actual fight and instead reverse project ZH Parallax's full powered feats instead of focusing on the fact he was using anything but his full power against Hal.
Seriously, do you think Thor grabbing Parallax by his cape and swinging him into a pillar is beyond his means to do? Or that Parallax wouldn't feel it? Do you think Thor couldn't send a surprised Parallax crashing into a car or rubble?
C'mon.