Originally posted by FistOfThe NorthHave you considered the possibility that the XBOX One just looks like shit to the majority of people?
I'm not a console head but I've never seen so much extreme hate for a new console. I mean this is bordering on just blind, cult-like insanity. It's so extreme that it seems too much. As if something else is wrong. Which makes me think that sony fanboys are either really, really butthurt and bitter the ms beat them the last generation overall and wanna make sure they win this time by any means necessary, whether it be by smearing the living effin' shite outta xbox one every waking second they get, for the rest of their lives or just because it's trendy to do so.They both look good to me. But sony fanboys act , almost threatened. There's just this high level anger on a Hitler scale. It's sad kinda. as I watch it all from above in ether in the PC realm.
And before you try pulling that Sony fanboy bullshit on me in lieu of anything substantial to say, the 360 was my first last gen console, followed by the Wii. Last, I got the PS3.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Xbox One isn't just going to affect those who purchase it. Its anti-used games thing is going to have repercussions on the whole industry, possibly shutting down many game stores. I myself am slightly worried that my local Insane Games might be in trouble.And then, some are just intellectually outraged.
The problem lies in people forgetting that Xbox, and even the playstation, are businesses first, with a responsibility to their stockholders, firstly, whom expect a return on their investment through the hopes of increased value over time. Investors are partly to solely the reason why video games exist. Because of their funding. The dispensable consumer/gamer/second hand businesses are second. Not no. 1. Always has been and always will be.
Do you honestly think that if given the opportunity, the playstation wouldn't take advantage of what they think would be an potentially lucrative business opportunity, like keeping some if not all of the money made on your software, kinda like royalties, even if it meant closing some indie stores and upsetting some of their consumers, if they thought that they'd make money on the move overall? Absolutely not.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Have you considered the possibility that the XBOX One just looks like shit to the majority of people?And before you try pulling that Sony fanboy bullshit on me in lieu of anything substantial to say, the 360 was my first last gen console, followed by the Wii. Last, I got the PS3.
Thing is, the majority of those people have been Sony fanboys. I'd understand if the majority was a mix but so far it's been mostly ps4 fans, i'm not lying. Most of the xbox one insults I've seen, all over all the others, have included pro-playstation 4 references.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove this statement.
Sure. My experience on what I've seen, read and heard and talked about in alot of the other forums on major gamer websites and from personal gamer friends in the past couple of months.
And I have no reason to lie because i'm unbiased, I really am. I like them both. And I wish 'em both the best.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Smasandian, my friend, what's your opinion on all this?
Well, Sony is a good position to do very well. They are smart about announcing they have no online checks and it doesn't require Internet to work. It worked really well. At the price point is very enticing.
But we will see how this generation turns out. Everything will change in the next 7 years. Look at this generation, the XBOX 360 was the cheaper console and PS3 was very expensive.
But if you look at the numbers, both consoles sold very similar numbers so a price point doesn't really indicate who will win (but really, as gamers, you want multiple consoles on the market that do well, not just one)
It will be interesting to see what will happen but what people are saying now probably won't be the future.
For conferences, Sony won from a fan perspective but I thought it was boring until they whole DRM/Online/Price portion of the show. Mostly all games were not exclusive and it was incredibly lame when they go, "here is Watch Dogs and you get a free jacket exclusively on the PS4". Even with the price point, I'm going to wait to buy a PS4 until at least 2 years. There isn't any games that make me want to go, " I need it". Even the indie games was exclusive debut, which could mean its a timed exclusive. Who knows.
For MS, some of the games intrigued me. Titanfall looks fun (even thought I'll get it on PC), I like Dead Rising 2 so hopefully 3 is better and I loved Forza 4. I'm probably going to get it near launch because there is games I'm looking forward to playing. I'm also interested on how the family shared games folders works. Can I play games my brother in law bought for free?
I will be interested to see how well Sony does with publishers when there is chance that they will make more money with MS. I will be interested how well the XBOX One does with the non-hardcore gaming market who just want to play online shooters and sport games.
But things will change in the next 7 years. You might MS change their stance or you might see Sony change their stance.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The problem lies in people forgetting that Xbox, and even the playstation, are businesses first, with a responsibility to their stockholders, firstly, whom expect a return on their investment through the hopes of increased value over time. Investors are partly to solely the reason why video games exist. Because of their funding. The dispensable consumer/gamer/second hand businesses are second. Not no. 1. Always has been and always will be.Do you honestly think that if given the opportunity, the playstation wouldn't take advantage of what they think would be an potentially lucrative business opportunity, like keeping some if not all of the money made on your software, kinda like royalties, even if it meant closing some indie stores and upsetting some of their consumers, if they thought that they'd make money on the move overall? Absolutely not.
I don't think that's the issue. Most people know that both Sony and Microsoft are businesses. And my problem isn't that Microsoft is pursuing what it assumes to be lucrative opportunities, my problem is that these opportunities are bad or at least not good for consumers, and when they insist on doing these things they need to have a better offering than the competition to make up for it (more and better exclusives, cheaper price, more graphics capabilities, etc.) and they don't. They are worse in many ways to the PS4, plus their profit chasing at the expense of consumers.
They won't make more money if they lose too many customers.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The problem lies in people forgetting that Xbox, and even the playstation, are businesses first, with a responsibility to their stockholders, firstly, whom expect a return on their investment through the hopes of increased value over time. Investors are partly to solely the reason why video games exist. Because of their funding. The dispensable consumer/gamer/second hand businesses are second. Not no. 1. Always has been and always will be.Do you honestly think that if given the opportunity, the playstation wouldn't take advantage of what they think would be an potentially lucrative business opportunity, like keeping some if not all of the money made on your software, kinda like royalties, even if it meant closing some indie stores and upsetting some of their consumers, if they thought that they'd make money on the move overall? Absolutely not.
The opportunity was given, M$ took the first step, all Sony would had to do was follow suit, there would had been no turning back.
but they didn't. They rode the wave M$ itself created quietly, just to make waves of their own saying they wouldn't do it, even when almost everybody was sure they would (heck, If I remember correctly, the first leaked no used games patent came from SONY)
Though fanboys are enjoying a field day with this (I know I am), saying this is all fanboys hatin' is not at all accurate, and it makes you sound butthurt. Anti-user policies are not popular (though that seems to be where we're headed eventually). And even though gauging public perception just by looking at the internet is a bad idea, I never seen so much people either sticking it to M$ on principle alone, same people that were sure SONY would do the same, not to mention disgruntled Xbox fanboys, who may purchase an Xbone down the line, but have SONY making it harder for them.
M$ had a better show on games, better conference over all. SONY was, all the way to middle, boring and with less to show, but still they won E3. Never have something so subjective as "winning E3" been made clear in one day.
I's not all sunshine and rainbows, corporate bullsh*t is already creeping out, but to deny M$ bad press and blaming it on fanboys hate is a myopic assessment.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The problem lies in people forgetting that Xbox, and even the playstation, are businesses first, with a responsibility to their stockholders, firstly, whom expect a return on their investment through the hopes of increased value over time. Investors are partly to solely the reason why video games exist. Because of their funding. The dispensable consumer/gamer/second hand businesses are second. Not no. 1. Always has been and always will be.Do you honestly think that if given the opportunity, the playstation wouldn't take advantage of what they think would be an potentially lucrative business opportunity, like keeping some if not all of the money made on your software, kinda like royalties, even if it meant closing some indie stores and upsetting some of their consumers, if they thought that they'd make money on the move overall? Absolutely not.
Bullshit. Companies putting themselves first isn't an excuse, its precisely why people are pissed off at them. A companies responsibility also should be towards their customers. Yes, they are obligated to reward the trust of those buying into their company through stocks, but so too are they obligated to reward the trust of and respect the consumers who support them by buying their products. The customers are the most important part of a business, because without customers, you have no business. As I said, this excuses nothing. When you put your stockholders above your customers, don't cry like a little ***** when your customers turn on you for it.
Well they did have the opportunity to do the exact same thing as MS. And didn't. So I guess you can draw your own conclusions from that.
Originally posted by NemeBro
That's some nice anecdotal evidence you have there.Just because someone is anti-Xbox One and pro-PS4 does not mean they are Sony fanboys. They just recognize that the PS4 is the superior system. 👆
Yep. If anything, I would consider myself a Microsoft fanboy. But, the PS4 looks better in almost everyway: no DRM, no online needed, better exclusives (IMO), slighty better specs, and it's cheaper.