E3 2013

If that was squarely directed at me then:

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
But i'm not butthurt because I don't care which does better than the other. I just see this war as a disgusting and immature one. Like seriously. Playstation fan boys are super lucky that they even have formidable competition. If the xbox didn't exist do you think the ps4 would be as "godly" as you all say it is? Like hell.

read my comments. SONY needs M$ and Nintendo to step up for consumers to win, otherwise it'll be a monopoly I hated Nintendo for.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North

And if anti-user policies aren't your thing then don't, buy, the system. Problem solved. But don't ***** about anti-user policies when your not apart or a consumer of said system, annoying everyone else with your unnecessary bitterness and blind bias.

This is where you sound... well, butthurt (sorry, but I can't find a better word... bitter... perhaps)

No one is a consumer of any product just yet, there are fanboys enjoying this, but you forget M$ fanboys and M$ employees trolling said comments as well. It was obvious after the good M$ conference. but then came Sony. The bitterness comes as well (if not mainly) from 360 fans, it has so since May.

Internet People made it clear they don't want to be treated like thiefs and submit to a parole officer daily, they are concerned over real and possible privacy issues, they know what happened with Sim City and Diablo, and how possible it is for an attack to take down servers for 48 hours and not let anyone game... they also know they have a TV to watch TV... or can get a $100 TV box to watch some more TV on top of that TV...

So if those people like your product, but don't want to be subject to any of the things mention above, they have to shut up and take it from behind quietly?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North

And I never looked at these presentations and a game to keep score that has to be won and lost.

It's all subjective really, but the PR machine M$ created is undeniable

Originally posted by FistOfThe North

And you keep thinking sony isn't corporate either. Don't forget the ps3's launch.

Sony uses Online Passes, M$ don't. Everyone here is well aware of Corporate bullshit.

The opportunity you yourself mention was there, given. SONY didn't took it cuz it made better business for them this way.

This whole uproar is a corporate move.

But corporations have to know that good business can also mean good consumer relations as well.

And went they don't go that way, expect Consumers to b*tch about it fearlessly and loudly

Originally posted by Peach
You keep saying this but you keep forgetting one key thing, that is extremely important here.

The anti-user policies are [b]why people are deciding to not be a part of said system. They are the reason why the PS4 is currently so much more desirable than the Xbox One. It's because people do not want to deal with anti-user policies like the ones that MS is embracing, and are voting with both their mouths and their money.

Also, I've seen more MS fans decide that they were going to jump ship over this than Sony fanboys causing a "smear campaign", as you called it. Which, btw, there is no smear campaign going on, when all that's happening is Microsoft's own policies being called out on and used against them. A smear campaign would be if people were making up completely baseless claims to put them down. [/B]

Gotta love the way the term "anti-user" is so loosely just flung around now. And it is a smear campaign. It's just thinly disguised as "all fun in the end". I've lost count on the times I've read heard sony fboys claim utter bs with ms and the xbox one moreso than being factual.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How is it an excuse? It's why these companies you love exist. Sure the consumer's paying but shareholders are more revered because consumers aren't as loyal. I left consoles for pc. While mostly with investments they're usually held on to overtime no matter the wave.

Maybe consumers aren't loyal because the company treats them like shit? And lol, nah shareholders aren't loyal at all. They buy and sell stocks as the pendulum of the market swings.

No, it's not a smear campaign, because it's like I said - it's Microsoft's own policies being used against them. The real issue with misinformation is that MS is not being forthcoming or explaining things very well, so things get lost in translation.

And yes, requiring a broadband internet connection, requiring a Kinect that is always on, requiring checks on your games, so on and so forth, are anti-user. There are very real privacy issues involved here.

Also, shareholders are usually the worst things that can ever happen to a company.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Ms knows what they're doing. I'm sure they know about DRM and all the stuff their doing and the effect it's having and or/will have. They've weight all that already. But do you honestly think they're doing all of this thinking it won't make them money and attract consumers maybe not now but in the future somehow and secondly who knows what will happen, it's still too soon to tell, they may have strategies that intertwine seamlessly, and for the better, with what they're doing now that'll blow the consumer away in the near future. Xbox one's story hasn't been completely written yet.

And trust me, the xbox one will fail and lose most of their consumers. They may gain some especially. For example being a hardcore gaming machine it's also catering to families much more now than ever before.

Sony's just making you think so.

Why do you think Microsoft knows what they are doing? Looking at their recent outings they have a complete obliviousness to consumer reaction to their products. Companies make huge mistakes all the time, I don't see why we should have faith in Microsoft. At any rate I am looking at it from my perspective, even if they will do well, it doesn't look like they are not serving my needs.

I believe they think that it will make them money, I also believe Sony thinks their offering will make them money, and I think that Nintendo thinks it will make them money, and I'm sure Sega thought the Dreamcast will make them money. Sometimes companies do the wrong thing to make money, it is very possible that Microsoft is doing that in this case.

Especially as their stated goal is to appeal to a market beyond gamers. If they think that the Xbox One will achieve that I am very sure they are heavily miscalculating.

I agree it is too soon to tell, I am just talking what my feelings are about what we know so far. Microsoft might be backpedalling heavily or they might offer something awesome soon, but so far they haven't.

I don't know how you figure it's catering to non-gaming families, especially at that price.

And it's not Sony making me think so, I have looked at what has been offered so far and came to my own conclusion. YMMV.

Originally posted by Smasandian

How much will the growing PC market affect the consoles?

The growing PC market will affect nothing, as it doesn't exist.

PC market is shrinking, will continue to do so at accelerated rate.

Originally posted by Peach
The anti-user policies are [b]why people are deciding to not be a part of said system. They are the reason why the PS4 is currently so much more desirable than the Xbox One.[/B]

And the price tag: don't forget that because I mean, good Lord, the price difference.
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Like, really, MS?

Here is what they need to do to be great:

1. Take a hit on the console price: make it $75 less, at least.
2. Get rid of "Gold" being required for most online gaming,
3. Get rid of the 24 hr check-in crap. I'm okay with having to register your games, one time, like some PC Games require. But just one time. They could even make it to where a registered person must confirm a game is transferring ownership if they are butthurt over the hacking crap, still. Just don't make it required to pay to switch the games or check-in more than just the initial activation.

If they made those three changes, they'd have a great system.

LOL@Get rid of Gold

Why should they do that if Sony is going to adopt the same fee for online gaming? If anything they should make apps like netflix become free with Gold, because frankly that IS bullshit.

They can't make things like Netflix free with Gold, because they don't own or control Netflix. Now, requiring Gold for stuff like Netflix is garbage.

They have also at least adopted the "free games with subscription" thing Sony's been doing with PS Plus, which makes it more palatable.

Also I'd say the price of the Xbox One was really just a case of the icing on the cake; had everything else about it been more appealing people would not care as much about the pricetag.

Doesn't Netflix cost more than Gold? How would that work?

Originally posted by Peach
They can't make things like Netflix free with Gold, because they don't own or control Netflix. Now, requiring Gold for stuff like Netflix is garbage.

They have also at least adopted the "free games with subscription" thing Sony's been doing with PS Plus, which makes it more palatable.

Also I'd say the price of the Xbox One was really just a case of the icing on the cake; had everything else about it been more appealing people would not care as much about the pricetag.

They seem to only be doing the free games until the end of the year. Only for 360. I thought at first it would be a constant thing now, but doesn't look like it.

Originally posted by Peach
Also I'd say the price of the Xbox One was really just a case of the icing on the cake; had everything else about it been more appealing people would not care as much about the pricetag.

Eh, I wouldn't say that. The price is very important to the console and making it cost $100 more than the competition is a massive turnoff. That more than anything, is why I'm buying the PS4.

Originally posted by ares834
Eh, I wouldn't say that. The price is very important to the console and making it cost $100 more than the competition is a massive turnoff. That more than anything, is why I'm buying the PS4.

Yes, to me the price was the thing that really pushed me away from wanting the One.

Originally posted by Bardock42
They seem to only be doing the free games until the end of the year. Only for 360. I thought at first it would be a constant thing now, but doesn't look like it.

Well that's stupid. The free games thing is what made PS Plus so good in the first place and why Sony will be able to move to making it a requirement for online gaming with minimal fuss from players.

Originally posted by ares834
Eh, I wouldn't say that. The price is very important to the console and making it cost $100 more than the competition is a massive turnoff. That more than anything, is why I'm buying the PS4.

Except that people still would have been happy with the PS4 were it $100 more, or would have not been so unhappy with the Xbox One were it not going with so many user-unfriendly policies at the current price. The griping on the price started long before the Sony conference, remember; it was immediate, and it was because of the price on top of everything else MS is doing.

Originally posted by Peach
Except that people still would have been happy with the PS4 were it $100 more, or would have not been so unhappy with the Xbox One were it not going with so many user-unfriendly policies at the current price.

I wouldn't have been all that happy if the PS4 was $500. Not really sure how you can be so sure that "the people" would be.

They sure as hell weren't happy when the PS3 cost $600.

Originally posted by Peach
The griping on the price started long before the Sony conference, remember; it was immediate, and it was because of the price on top of everything else MS is doing.

Yes, which support my point not yours. That making the console cost $500 is a big problem.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And lol, nah shareholders aren't loyal at all. They buy and sell stocks as the pendulum of the market swings.

Obviously, there are exceptions to your statement but you are very spot-on.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The growing PC market will affect nothing, as it doesn't exist.

PC market is shrinking, will continue to do so at accelerated rate.

1. I think he was talking about the PC Gaming Market, not PC Sales, themselves.

2. The PC Gaming Market overtook or will very shortly overtake consoles and it continues to grow.

http://techreport.com/news/24575/pc-gaming-market-grew-8-in-2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/12/13/the-future-of-pc-gaming

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/23/nvidia-says-pc-games-to-overtake-consoles-by-2014/

And Newell, from Valve, says the battle will ultimately take place between PC-like hardware:

http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/31/newell-steambox-racing-against-apple-not-consoles/

Originally posted by Zack Fair
LOL@Get rid of Gold

Why should they do that if Sony is going to adopt the same fee for online gaming? If anything they should make apps like netflix become free with Gold, because frankly that IS bullshit.

They don't need to get rid of Gold. That's not what I typed. This is what I typed:

"2. Get rid of "Gold" being required for most online gaming."

And as I have commented in this thread, before, they need to get rid of Gold requirements for things like Netflix.

...ignore

I can agree with that. Your post lead me to believe you wanted MS to get rid of Gold for online gaming though. So...peace out

Originally posted by dadudemon

1. I think he was talking about the PC Gaming Market, not PC Sales, themselves.

2. The PC Gaming Market overtook or will very shortly overtake consoles and it continues to grow.

http://techreport.com/news/24575/pc-gaming-market-grew-8-in-2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/12/13/the-future-of-pc-gaming

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/23/nvidia-says-pc-games-to-overtake-consoles-by-2014/

And Newell, from Valve, says the battle will ultimately take place between PC-like hardware:

http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/31/newell-steambox-racing-against-apple-not-consoles/

They don't need to get rid of Gold. That's not what I typed. This is what I typed:

"2. Get rid of "Gold" being required for most online gaming."

And as I have commented in this thread, before, they need to get rid of Gold requirements for things like Netflix.

Well, that's fair enough then. Though the shrinking of the PC market might have an impact in the future on the PC Gaming market.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
The Xbox One will get through this shitstorm though.

Does anyone know when the 2 free games will become available for gold members?

And yeah, what Peach said regarding the Netflix thing.