Originally posted by ares834
Yep. If anything, I would consider myself a Microsoft fanboy. But, the PS4 looks better in almost everyway: no DRM, no online needed, better exclusives (IMO), slighty better specs, and it's cheaper.
price point.
The main complain everyone had for the PS3.
the same applies this time around.
Not to mention obligatory Kinect and privacy concerns.
M$ dig this hole themselves
If anyone had to buy Rare from Nintendo, why couldn't it have been Sony or someone else? Am sure they would've done Killer Instinct and stuff more justice.
Anyway, one thing I like about Sony being the clear winner is that with this next gen, we'll all be more united in a sense as far as all of us (for the most part) having a PS4. With the current gen it was more half-and-half between the PS3 and 360 users here.
hehehe
As awesome as that sounds, and as giddy as my inner SONY fanboy gets just of thinking of it... I hope M$ can climb up their way out this mess.
They were sure to say that their policies can change, and I hope they do... even though it's probable they don't have antipiracy measures built in their disc or something, and they have to fix that and surely it will all take time.
A monopoly it's ultimately bad... SONY this next gen is what it is thanks to M$, the myriad of exclusives is thanks to the battle for consumers money, PS+ is what it is thanks to Live.
The 360 won in the US, but PS3 wins globally, it's all really a tie... even though Nintendo won the last Gen battle.
In the midtime, I having a blast out of all the memes and gifs.
... speaking about Nintendo.. so sad for them...
Originally posted by NemeBro
That's some nice anecdotal evidence you have there.Just because someone is anti-Xbox One and pro-PS4 does not mean they are Sony fanboys. They just recognize that the PS4 is the superior system. 👆
Ok well I know you may've seen it as well all over. I doubt you've seen just as many xbox fans talk shit about ps4. For example go on any of the access live feeds from E3 right now and you'll see way more than half the feeds are insults towards xbox one with pro-ps4 references attached to 'em.
And superior, that's fine you're entitled to your opinion.
Originally posted by ares834
I'm actually unsure who won this gen between Microsoft and Sony. Yes, the PS3 sold more than the 360 but that alone does not mean it's the winner.Next-gen though, it seems that the PS4 will initially crush the One.
Based on sales alone, which is really the way a Gen is "won", Nintendo did.
Between PS3 and 360 though, it's not clear, Sony has a slight advantage, and it's not over yet.
Exactly. You want both consoles to do well.
I plan on getting both but I will be getting XBOX One first. The reason is the games. Forza 5, Titanfall and the lack of exclusives from the PS4 (right now that is) is the reason. I don't care about the DRM stuff or always online. I just want to play games.
I remember when the PS3 was annouced. It was almost the same situation as the XBOX One. The leader from the previous generation. A lot of arrogance and a high price point. Hell, the console was released a year later also. It still did well. The funny thing is that the PS3 was touting it's Blu Ray player and a lot of peeps were peeved that they were paying extra for a feature they didn't want. But it still sold well.
I'm just wondering what exclusives Sony is talking about?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't think that's the issue. Most people know that both Sony and Microsoft are businesses. And my problem isn't that Microsoft is pursuing what it assumes to be lucrative opportunities, my problem is that these opportunities are bad or at least not good for consumers, and when they insist on doing these things they need to have a better offering than the competition to make up for it (more and better exclusives, cheaper price, more graphics capabilities, etc.) and they don't. They are worse in many ways to the PS4, plus their profit chasing at the expense of consumers.They won't make more money if they lose too many customers.
Ms knows what they're doing. I'm sure they know about DRM and all the stuff their doing and the effect it's having and or/will have. They've weight all that already. But do you honestly think they're doing all of this thinking it won't make them money and attract consumers maybe not now but in the future somehow and secondly who knows what will happen, it's still too soon to tell, they may have strategies that intertwine seamlessly, and for the better, with what they're doing now that'll blow the consumer away in the near future. Xbox one's story hasn't been completely written yet.
And trust me, the xbox one will fail and lose most of their consumers. They may gain some especially. For example being a hardcore gaming machine it's also catering to families much more now than ever before.
Sony's just making you think so.
I agree.
Which is why it will be interesting to see how this generation will play out.
Will XBOX One get the casual maket with Kinect and the cable TV angle?
Will Sony eat up all the non-hardcore CoD/sport game gamers who only play a few games a year?
How much will the growing PC market affect the consoles?
My beef with MS is that I feel like M$ just gave me the finger after 10 years of support.
I am not stuck with any brand. I was a Nintendo supporter first. Got a 64 before the PSX won me over with Square's RPGs, tekken, MGS etc. I still bought a PS2 first, then the Gamecube and then the Xbox. The PS2 was the clear winner back then with all their exclusives. The Xbox stole my soul with Xbox Live and Halo 2, and then the Gamecube disappointed the crap out of me. No Mario on release, no zelda, no SSMB. The Mario they finally released was shit(sunshine) Zelda had a debacle with cel--shading vs technical demo. Wind Waker was fun, but after it came out the GC was literally collecting dust because it took them so long to follow up with Twilight Princess. That is why I skipped the Wii. The wiimote didn't interest me and the lower-end specs made me realize it would collect dust, and it looks like it did. Sony pissed me off big time with the 600 dollars price, but I eventually got one after the first price drop(Because of FKN MGS4) Right now M$ is just on my nerves. its like M$ decided to switch places with Sony as far as next-gen unveiling are concerned
Originally posted by S_D_J
The opportunity was given, M$ took the first step, all Sony would had to do was follow suit, there would had been no turning back.but they didn't. They rode the wave M$ itself created quietly, just to make waves of their own saying they wouldn't do it, even when almost everybody was sure they would (heck, If I remember correctly, the first leaked no used games patent came from SONY)
Though fanboys are enjoying a field day with this (I know I am), saying this is all fanboys hatin' is not at all accurate, and it makes you sound butthurt. Anti-user policies are not popular (though that seems to be where we're headed eventually). And even though gauging public perception just by looking at the internet is a bad idea, I never seen so much people either sticking it to M$ on principle alone, same people that were sure SONY would do the same, not to mention disgruntled Xbox fanboys, who may purchase an Xbone down the line, but have SONY making it harder for them.
M$ had a better show on games, better conference over all. SONY was, all the way to middle, boring and with less to show, but still they won E3. Never have something so subjective as "winning E3" been made clear in one day.
I's not all sunshine and rainbows, corporate bullsh*t is already creeping out, but to deny M$ bad press and blaming it on fanboys hate is a myopic assessment.
But i'm not butthurt because I don't care which does better than the other. I just see this war as a disgusting and immature one. Like seriously. Playstation fan boys are super lucky that they even have formidable competition. If the xbox didn't exist do you think the ps4 would be as "godly" as you all say it is? Like hell.
And if anti-user policies aren't your thing then don't, buy, the system. Problem solved. But don't ***** about anti-user policies when your not apart or a consumer of said system, annoying everyone else with your unnecessary bitterness and blind bias.
And I never looked at these presentations and a game to keep score that has to be won and lost.
And you keep thinking sony isn't corporate either. Don't forget the ps3's launch.
Originally posted by ares834
Which is why I excluded Nintendo. 😛But, I should have clarified, it's not just dependent on console sales. Things like game sales are just as important.
well in that way Nintendo wins as well... WiiSports
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not to mention WiiPlay and the extra controller
hehehe
I really don't know how games sales did overall.
To me, my preference for ps3 makes it the winner thanks to all the exclusives and PS+
The first console I got last gen was a Wii, then a 360, a year later a launch PS3, which YLODed over a year ago. the price point was steep, but I managed.
My Wii also overheated and got artifact problems in less than a year (not so much for Nintys quality seal) so I sold it and got a new one once Nintendo change the MOBO to fix that problem. My 360 is still kicking with not a single problem, although it only got a year of non stop gaming before the ps3, then it was only for multiplatform, and then nothing. The fact is collecting dust makes me sad, but PS+ just doesn't let me go anywhere, I still got over 10 retail tittles I downloaded and haven't touched yet, not to mention a bunch of psn games and my backlog of discs.
while 360 has a buch of shooters, PS3 has a better variety IMHO
Originally posted by Zack Fair
My beef with MS is that I feel like M$ just gave me the finger after 10 years of support.I am not stuck with any brand. I was a Nintendo supporter first. Got a 64 before the PSX won me over with Square's RPGs, tekken, MGS etc. I still bought a PS2 first, then the Gamecube and then the Xbox. The PS2 was the clear winner back then with all their exclusives. The Xbox stole my soul with Xbox Live and Halo 2, and then the Gamecube disappointed the crap out of me. No Mario on release, no zelda, no SSMB. The Mario they finally released was shit(sunshine) Zelda had a debacle with cel--shading vs technical demo. Wind Waker was fun, but after it came out the GC was literally collecting dust because it took them so long to follow up with Twilight Princess. That is why I skipped the Wii. The wiimote didn't interest me and the lower-end specs made me realize it would collect dust, and it looks like it did. Sony pissed me off big time with the 600 dollars price, but I eventually got one after the first price drop(Because of FKN MGS4) Right now M$ is just on my nerves. its like M$ decided to switch places with Sony as far as next-gen unveiling are concerned
Consoles are bought based on games. (Wii being the exception).
XBOX One and PS4 will have them so people will buy them. According to the lineup that they showed in the two press conferences, XBOX One has more right now (can change though).
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bullshit. Companies putting themselves first isn't an excuse, its precisely why people are pissed off at them. A companies responsibility also should be towards their customers. Yes, they are obligated to reward the trust of those buying into their company through stocks, but so too are they obligated to reward the trust of and respect the consumers who support them by buying their products. The customers are the most important part of a business, because without customers, [b]you have no business. As I said, this excuses nothing. When you put your stockholders above your customers, don't cry like a little ***** when your customers turn on you for it.Well they did have the opportunity to do the exact same thing as MS. And didn't. So I guess you can draw your own conclusions from that. [/B]
How is it an excuse? It's why these companies you love exist. Sure the consumer's paying but shareholders are more revered because consumers aren't as loyal. I left consoles for pc. While mostly with investments they're usually held on to overtime no matter the wave.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And if anti-user policies aren't your thing then don't, buy, the system. Problem solved. But don't ***** about anti-user policies when your not apart or a consumer of said system, annoying everyone else with your unnecessary bitterness and blind bias.
You keep saying this but you keep forgetting one key thing, that is extremely important here.
The anti-user policies are why people are deciding to not be a part of said system. They are the reason why the PS4 is currently so much more desirable than the Xbox One. It's because people do not want to deal with anti-user policies like the ones that MS is embracing, and are voting with both their mouths and their money.
Also, I've seen more MS fans decide that they were going to jump ship over this than Sony fanboys causing a "smear campaign", as you called it. Which, btw, there is no smear campaign going on, when all that's happening is Microsoft's own policies being called out on and used against them. A smear campaign would be if people were making up completely baseless claims to put them down.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Ms knows what they're doing. I'm sure they know about DRM and all the stuff their doing and the effect it's having and or/will have. They've weight all that already. But do you honestly think they're doing all of this thinking it won't make them money and attract consumers maybe not now but in the future somehow and secondly who knows what will happen, it's still too soon to tell, they may have strategies that intertwine seamlessly, and for the better, with what they're doing now that'll blow the consumer away in the near future. Xbox one's story hasn't been completely written yet.And trust me, the xbox one will fail and lose most of their consumers. They may gain some especially. For example being a hardcore gaming machine it's also catering to families much more now than ever before.
Sony's just making you think so.
Correction. I meant to write:
"And trust me, the xbox one will NOT fail and lose most of their consumers."
Originally posted by SmasandianAgreed.
Consoles are bought based on games. (Wii being the exception).XBOX One and PS4 will have them so people will buy them. According to the lineup that they showed in the two press conferences, XBOX One has more right now (can change though).
Xbox One has more exclusives. But then again Sony has not announced Uncharted 4(we all know its gonna happen) God of War 578, and so on.