Which Company has more Unique, Imaginative Characters?

Originally posted by the Darkone
Marvel creating the first black superhero during the civil rights era,and other minority superheros and having them as core members was innovative and bold.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Both Marvel and Dc are about the same, but Marvel characters are more relate able as where Dc characters are more God like.

Originally posted by Cogito
Marvel has a number of Superman characters too. Some of them are straight copies (Gladiator), some have an extra power, or fewer powers, but they're basically the same.

Originally posted by Horrificus
going back 10 or 15 years

the problem is, this only reaches back to, what, '98? I can't do it justice, but MovieBob on the Escapist has a really good run down on how the industry sort of collapsed, at least in terms of intellectual property and risk taking, toward the end of the 90s. Not to mention, this is only a couple of years before the first Spider-Man movie, which massively changed the way the companies shaped their universes.

The big issue, imho, is that the last 10-15 years have been more about these companies trying to find a way to stay financially viable, be it through other entertainment tie-ins, a broader appeal to markets not normally attracted to comics, sweeping cross-title events, etc. They've developed a formula of what works for today's customer, and it really isn't risk taking or uniqueness. The closest you come to that is with twist reveals or redesigns of characters (or just a new person wearing an old costume).

Like, I'm not trying to look at the 90s with rose coloured glasses, but it was a far more imaginative time, with the 80s probably being the mecca of modern comic-dom, but since then, "unique" is not a word I would throw around about this industry.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Marvel creating the first black superhero during the civil rights era,and other minority superheros and having them as core members was innovative and bold.

Originally posted by Cogito
And DC did women first, and arguably still do women more prominently.

women, racial/ethnic minorities and GLBT issues are still a joke in comics, the latter often acting as a punch line for writers with the maturity of 13 year old boys (or, their target demographic).

obviously this isn't true in all cases, but you are seriously going to suggest a company that publishes Power Girl with a straight face is ahead of the times on women's issues?

[btw, I love Power Girl, and if it was an isolated case, I'd see nothing wrong with exploring that type of character]

EDIT:

also, this:

Originally posted by -Pr-
Neither. They both steal from each other.

Now if we're including companies other than the big two then we can talk.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I said neither was more imaginative than the other

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they are not. That's blatantly untrue.

Gladiator
Kid Gladiator
Hyperion
Blue Marvel
Sentry (pre-Void)

All Superman knock-offs plus or minus a power or two.

Phuck, even Gladiator's name (Kallark) is a combination of Kal-El and Clark

Originally posted by Cogito
Gladiator
Kid Gladiator
Hyperion
Blue Marvel
Sentry (pre-Void)

All Superman knock-offs plus or minus a power or two.

Phuck, even Gladiator's name (Kallark) is a combination of Kal-El and Clark

Originally posted by Cogito
Gladiator
Kid Gladiator
Hyperion
Blue Marvel
Sentry (pre-Void)

All Superman knock-offs plus or minus a power or two.

Phuck, even Gladiator's name (Kallark) is a combination of Kal-El and Clark

Originally posted by Cogito
Gladiator
Kid Gladiator
Hyperion
Blue Marvel
Sentry (pre-Void)

All Superman knock-offs plus or minus a power or two.

Phuck, even Gladiator's name (Kallark) is a combination of Kal-El and Clark

Hyperion is based off the god of the sun and also vastly different than the charcacter of Superman.

Blue Marvel is black and isn't like Superman.

Sentry always had the Void in him. Completely different personality, powers, abilities, and history.

Originally posted by 753
^you silverman looks like the golden age vision

Originally posted by quanchi112
Two Gladiator characters with same basic power set but completely different character wise.

Hyperion is based off the god of the sun and also vastly different than the charcacter of Superman.

Blue Marvel is black and isn't like Superman.

Sentry always had the Void in him. Completely different personality, powers, abilities, and history.

Gladiator : Cold Breath, invulnerabiltiy, heat vision, flight, weakness to specific form of radiation, named "Kallark" (Kal' el, Clark)

Hyperion : 'atomic vision', invulnerability, flight, weakness to a specific form of radiation (argonite)

Sentry : this guy even has a stylized "S" on his chest

I'll give you Blue Marvel, he's not a direct clone but we all know what template he was based on.

EDIT
More Marvel borrowing
Vision - Martian Manhunter

Well Marvel did have the first flying, super strong, bullet proof hero in Namor so I guess that helps their case. Isn't that right Abhi..?

Originally posted by dmills
Well Marvel did have the first flying, super strong, bullet proof hero in Namor so I guess that helps their case. Isn't that right Abhi..?

Wait, you got one for Team Marvel.

DC borrowing :
Aquaman - Namor

Marvel borrowing :
Magneto - Dr Polaris

Originally posted by Cogito
And DC did women first, and arguably still do women more prominently.

I'd dispute the 'still'. They have more solo women books, but there's a lot lot lot of major marvel female characters in teams, and probably more total. The X-men, the long-time best selling team, is full of important female characters (Jean, Storm, Rogue, Jubilee, etc. etc.)

Especially post-reboot, where DC's teams tend to be female-light.

I like that the measure of unique women in comics is how many titles they appear in...

Originally posted by Q99
I'd dispute the 'still'. They have more solo women books, but there's a lot lot lot of major marvel female characters in teams, and probably more total. The X-men, the long-time best selling team, is full of important female characters (Jean, Storm, Rogue, Jubilee, etc. etc.)

Especially post-reboot, where DC's teams tend to be female-light.

Sue Storm is a doormat.
Emma Frost is a ho.
Jean's mentally unstable.
Storm's legit.
etc.

IMO, DC has more of the "strong, independent, & capable" women.

Diana, obviously is one of the trinity.
Power Girl lead the JSA for a time, even with established veterans like Jay and Alan on the roster
etc.

Originally posted by zopzop
Quan I love ya but come on!

Gladiator : Cold Breath, invulnerabiltiy, heat vision, flight, weakness to specific form of radiation, named "Kallark" (Kal' el, Clark)

Hyperion : 'atomic vision', invulnerability, flight, weakness to a specific form of radiation (argonite)

Sentry : this guy even has a stylized "S" on his chest

I'll give you Blue Marvel, he's not a direct clone but we all know what template he was based on.

EDIT
More Marvel borrowing
Vision - Martian Manhunter

So ? Character is different and many are invulnerable. It's like saying every dc brick is based off the Hulk while ignoring the characteristics that define the character.

An S on his does not mean clone. Lol. Powers different as well as the personality is vastly different.

The closest one is Gladiator but the characteristics that define him are vastly different.

Marvel people personal stakes in their characters by giving them personalilty and problems like everyday people. People could relate to them more. Marvel brought more depth to their characters.

Marvel ripping off:

Darkseid----Thanos; they even admit this.

💃

Originally posted by Cogito
Power Girl lead the JSA for a time, even with established veterans like Jay and Alan on the roster

Power Girl's origin also involves the artist making her breasts larger and larger until the editor had to tell them to stop...

good example...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Marvel ripping off:

Darkseid----Thanos; they even admit this.

💃

Thanos is on another level IMO.

Originally posted by Oliver North
Power Girl's origin also involves the artist making her breasts larger and larger until the editor had to tell them to stop...

good example...

Boys will be boys...

I'm not arguing appearances, because that would be impossible. Character and personality I'd argue.