Originally posted by the DarkoneWhat characters have similar origins ? You agree they aren't clones then say something you can't back.
I agree what you saying, even though Marvel Superman clones different characterization they are still clone of Superman, has for to powers, weakens and almost similar origins.Both companies borrowed from one and another and put their spin there view of character in their eyes, like you said if they didn't one of the companies would be no more.
Originally posted by the Darkonethe introduction fo an internal cast of X-men also revolutionaized the franchise and to this date, marvel has a lot more international casts than DC.
Marvel creating the first black superhero during the civil rights era,and other minority superheros and having them as core members was innovative and bold.Both Marvel and Dc are about the same, but Marvel characters are more relate able as where Dc characters are more God like.
Originally posted by Q99and most current x-teams are led by women, two are essentially entirely female.
I'd dispute the 'still'. They have more solo women books, but there's a lot lot lot of major marvel female characters in teams, and probably more total. The X-men, the long-time best selling team, is full of important female characters (Jean, Storm, Rogue, Jubilee, etc. etc.)Especially post-reboot, where DC's teams tend to be female-light.
Originally posted by zopzopyou'd be hardpressed to show which has taken more from the other.
Marvel's "borrowed" a few more character concepts :
Shi'ar Imperial Guard - Legion of Super Heroes
Chaos King - Nekron
Originally posted by Cogitosure, but the issue isnt how characters based on a superman (or any character's) template there are flying around altogether, DC creates hosts of teenaged, opposite gender, infant and even animal versions of their own characters in a scale unparalleled by marvel. almost all their big characters have like 4-5 different demography versions of themselves - superman, WW, Flash, MMH, aquaman, etc.
Marvel has a number of Superman characters too. Some of them are straight copies (Gladiator), some have an extra power, or fewer powers, but they're basically the same.
marvel has taken this up by making everyone who's ever been in the same room as the hulk some kindof hulk-like creature for retarded non-sensical reasons. wolverine is getting his clan too in the form of daken/x-23.
Originally posted by Cogitothis is largely true, but the mutantverse to name one has broken away from it and given birth to the political superheroe in mainstream comics.
Eh, neither company is producing many new characters these days. I rarely, if ever, see a new character and think "wow, that's something new".It's pretty much only bad guys that have goals/motivations. All the good guys just want to protect Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
Originally posted by Zack Fairyeah, spidey's clone drama itself can be seen an extremely degenerate form of the trope.
And Spidey.
Of course, how legitimate these derived characters are depends on a lot of facors. robin's stand on their own and aren't minibatmans, batgirl, while an obivous teenage girl bataman, has likewise been developed beyond batman's shadow, but batwoman is an iredeemable garbage concept IMO.
Originally posted by Cogito
I completely agree that time period has to be taken into account, but entirely disagree with your Marvel favoritism here.There's no way to tell. Even Superman was original back when he debuted. Aquaman? Wonder Woman (any Woman at that time was crazy original)? Green Lantern?
Both companies had very original characters when they started. Both have stolen enormously from the other. If you forced me to choose, I'd say DC because they're older and therefore probably had a few more completely original ideas.
Firstly Superman was FAR from original. The creators of Superman Siegal and Shuster did a review in 1931 for a sci fi fanzine on the novel Gladiator . The lead character of Gladiator ( Hugo Danner) was a guy who had super strength, impervious skin, was fast and could leap a city block. It was because of these glaring similarities that the first few dozen times they pitched their concept of Superman to publishers it was rejected because said publishers were afraid of being sued for plagiarism.
Hell even Batman wasn't original ( though it did draw it's influences from many sources). Supposedly influenced by the combination of Zorro, Sherlock Holmes, Doc Savage and the Shadow.
Spiderman is also hardly original. There was a Golden Age character called Tarrantula who used suction cups to walk on walls and who carried a "web gun". Several Golden age characters also had a "radar sense". As for Wolverine he's a feral, the ideas of werewolves and vampires ( also "ferals" ) is quite old, so what if they don't grow bones, they grow teeth and claws. In all honesty I think you would be very hard pressed to find a truly "original" concept in any fictional medium over the last few hundred years.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Danny the Street.Also virtually everything in Axe Cop.
Danny the Street is hardly original either. There are a plethora of mythical /mystical places that have a presence and sentience of their own that can appear to be anywhere throughout fiction in history. the only difference it this one's a street and not a Forrest or a nook, or some other such.
Not familiar with Axe cop so I can't talk to that one.
Originally posted by beatboks
Danny the Street is hardly original either. There are a plethora of mythical /mystical places that have a presence and sentience of their own that can appear to be anywhere throughout fiction in history. the only difference it this one's a street and not a Forrest or a nook, or some other such.
It's still rather unusual for a comic book hero, and a fairly new twist on the 'intelligent place' thing.
(And, come to think of it, mystic places that are in themselves smart rather than being controlled by some magic being or person are fairly rare too...)
So, yea, while 'there's nothing new under the sun,' applies to Danny, I'd still call him fairly original.
Not familiar with Axe cop so I can't talk to that one.
It's interesting, a story written by a five year old (now 8) and drawn by his 29-year old brother. So, it's got a lot of stuff mish-mashed together, the plot is weird and semi-stream of consciousness-esque, and so on.
Originally posted by Q99the animating mystical force is often imanent to the place or it's impossible to determine whether it's imanent or external to it like the hotel from the shining.
It's still rather unusual for a comic book hero, and a fairly new twist on the 'intelligent place' thing.(And, come to think of it, mystic places that are in themselves smart rather than being controlled by some magic being or person are fairly rare too...)
Speaking of ripoffs, I'm just gonna leave this here lol....
Originally posted by Q99
That's only a myth, her breasts didn't really inflate over the course of her original series.
I'm not sure myth is the right word...
anyways, iirc Wiki had a link to Wood talking about this, but it isn't on Wiki anymore, so fine. It does talk about Wood having issues with the character because the editor thought the costume was sexist, so its hardly a stretch.
Anyways, my point was more about how little difference there is in the approach to women and minorities between companies rather than anything about Power Girl specifically.
Originally posted by Oliver North
I'm not sure myth is the right word...anyways, iirc Wiki had a link to Wood talking about this, but it isn't on Wiki anymore, so fine. It does talk about Wood having issues with the character because the editor thought the costume was sexist, so its hardly a stretch.
Anyways, my point was more about how little difference there is in the approach to women and minorities between companies rather than anything about Power Girl specifically.
The dude's last name is Wood? Rofl
Originally posted by Bentley
My all time favorite powerset is Jack Hawksmoor, so I'm leaning towards DC, but Marvel has more characters which is obviously a great advantage.I mean, Batroc has savate and jumps.
I've always wondered this for fun. Which company has more characters. With Vertigo, Wildstorm, Milestone, etc...