you are referring to DC comics presents #29 correct?
spectre stopped him since he was entering realms that mortals aren't permitted to see not because he was destroying the universe:
http://i.imgur.com/qseQGaI.jpg
anyways, like i said before, darkseid has never faced superman pre-crisis.
Originally posted by operator616
you are referring to DC comics presents #29 correct?spectre stopped him since he was entering realms that mortals aren't permitted to see not because he was destroying the universe:
http://i.imgur.com/qseQGaI.jpg
anyways, like i said before, darkseid has never faced superman pre-crisis.
Pc characters were inconsistent to say the least, Pc characters shouldn't be used not only because of their "Toon-Ness" but because they are very hard to gauge.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You posted the scan yourself about destroying the universeHe sneezed a Solar System
Moved a galaxy (which makes no sense). Or at least he moved all the planets/
he wasn't destroying the universe, simply breaking universal barriers so he can reach into realms which no mortals were meant to see
yea thought so, it was a solar system not a galaxy, which hapenning in the beginning of action comics #273, and there might be context behind it:
http://i.imgur.com/613gHGj.jpg
note that before he sneezed away a solar system he did take mxy's magic dust, albeit nothing was mentioned about amping him but still it is inconsistent, and im not trying to undermine the character or anything just giving you the context
btw is this the fight you're talking about superman and supergirl vs darkseid from legion of superheroes v2 #294?
http://i.imgur.com/wgkCCZp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Z3kEGEK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Dr7EXuF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XebyFWs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fFjeRz6.jpg
Originally posted by operator616If anything, the dust should have weakened him-- pre-crisis Superman was horrendously weak to magic.
http://i.imgur.com/613gHGj.jpgnote that before he sneezed away a solar system he did take mxy's magic dust, albeit nothing was mentioned about amping him but still it is inconsistent, and im not trying to undermine the character or anything just giving you the context
The magical energy contained in Grundy's punches, for example, nearly killed him after a few strikes:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018066/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018067/2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018068/3.jpg.html
Originally posted by Galan007
If anything, the dust should have weakened him-- pre-crisis Superman was horrendously weak to magic.The magical energy contained in Grundy's punches, for example, nearly killed him after a few strikes:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018066/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018067/2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018068/3.jpg.html
though mxy's powers are not magic, countdown to final crisis #23 shows mxy's origins, and it is revealed that his powers are science and not magic, im sure you know that just posting it so that the others might see it:
http://i.imgur.com/1LvSEl7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/I56T7f5.jpg
do you know any pre crisis fights between superman and darkseid apart from GDS? because darkseid was amped there, so it doesn't really count.
meh, on the issue of pre-c darkseid, (if you believe there was such a thing--writers seem not to...) ds had some great feats and even pre-c ds had some poor ones though. his most famous stuff of course is the legendary great darkness saga. in that arc, he was amped, but alludes to the fact that he was REGAINING his power that he had lost over time. and it seems to be true that at one point in his history ds WAS more powerful than he is now (or even was back in the pre-c days). he has always had a history of absorbing power as well. according to the orion series, ds wiped out whole PANTHEONS of gods. ds has always been a bit of a puzzle in terms of level. one thing is for sure though--he's always been f'n cool. for those who've never checked out the GDS, this link gives lots of good stuff from and about it:
Originally posted by leonidas
meh, on the issue of pre-c darkseid, (if you believe there was such a thing--writers seem not to...) ds had some great feats and even pre-c ds had some poor ones though. his most famous stuff of course is the legendary great darkness saga. in that arc, he was amped, but alludes to the fact that he was REGAINING his power that he had lost over time. and it seems to be true that at one point in his history ds WAS more powerful than he is now (or even was back in the pre-c days). he has always had a history of absorbing power as well. according to the orion series, ds wiped out whole PANTHEONS of gods. ds has always been a bit of a puzzle in terms of level. one thing is for sure though--he's always been f'n cool. for those who've never checked out the GDS, this link gives lots of good stuff from and about it:
It's a shame most writers haven't been true to Kirby's original vision for the character.
Originally posted by operator616
do you know any pre crisis fights between superman and darkseid apart from GDS? because darkseid was amped there, so it doesn't really count.
i don't think they ever actually 'fought' per se. they confronted each other. i recall in the super powers series (i think...) ds swatted supes away like an insect twice in a row, but i don't think they ever threw down. unlike today, ds did not make many appearances back then, and the VAST majority of those appearances happened in the new gods series alone.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
👆It's a shame most writers haven't been true to Kirby's original vision for the character.
so true. i recall kirby saying that (after he helped create galactus) that darkseid was intended to be on galactus' level. but then others got a hold of ds and things changed, unfortunately....
Originally posted by leonidas
so true. i recall kirby saying that (after he helped create galactus) that darkseid was intended to be on galactus' level. but then others got a hold of ds and things changed, unfortunately....
Writers should have kept Darkseid as a JLA threat, a threat that their combined power couldn't even beat. DC ruined the character. Current Darkseid is a beast and they should think about writing him as he was during his precrisis era, with no one being capable of threatening him without plot. A single hero should not be enough to face him.
