Originally posted by carver9Didn't they do that in DC 😛 . You know the part where he fell and was dragging the entire DCU to hell
Writers should have kept Darkseid as a JLA threat, a threat that their combined power couldn't even beat. DC ruined the character. Current Darkseid is a beast and they should think about writing him as he was during his precrisis era, with no one being capable of threatening him without plot. A single hero should not be enough to face him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't amped. In fact he was weaker than usual.
let's look at the evidence now shall we?
1st amp: excalibur sword:
http://i.imgur.com/4rrgzu6.jpg
2nd amp: orb of orthanax
http://i.imgur.com/Or6ZaYF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xKwuJMk.jpg
3rd amp: mordru
http://i.imgur.com/ULrS9XA.jpg
the fight takes place off panel and after a couple of pages we see mordru drained of his power:
http://i.imgur.com/ok3ytaP.jpg
4th amp: time trapper
http://i.imgur.com/V7pWWZ0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sIvAev0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lYPWg4m.jpg
as you can see, there's no denying this
that's of course unless you really believe that a WEAKER darkseid was a MULTIVERSAL threat as evident in this scan:
http://i.imgur.com/3M5488c.jpg
we should refrain from using GDS as an actual showing for PC darkseid.
Originally posted by operator616
let's look at the evidence now shall we?1st amp: excalibur sword:
http://i.imgur.com/4rrgzu6.jpg
2nd amp: orb of orthanax
http://i.imgur.com/Or6ZaYF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xKwuJMk.jpg3rd amp: mordru
http://i.imgur.com/ULrS9XA.jpg
the fight takes place off panel and after a couple of pages we see mordru drained of his power:
http://i.imgur.com/ok3ytaP.jpg
4th amp: time trapper
http://i.imgur.com/V7pWWZ0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sIvAev0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lYPWg4m.jpgas you can see, there's no denying this
that's of course unless you really believe that a WEAKER darkseid was a MULTIVERSAL threat as evident in this scan:
http://i.imgur.com/3M5488c.jpg
we should refrain from using GDS as an actual showing for PC darkseid.
Direct statement that his powers have waned over the millenia.
it did, in fact it was made clear in the beginning of the story arc, but it was back to normal when he absorbed the orb, as evident here:
http://i.imgur.com/xKwuJMk.jpg
"i am fulfilled"
and after this point, he additionally absorbed the powers of mordru and time trapper, that's a huge amp don't you think.
And you completely ignored my point of him being a multiversal threat (which according to you, in a weakened state), despite that it completely contradicts everything darkseid actually is.
Originally posted by operator616
it did, in fact it was made clear in the beginning of the story arc, but it was back to normal when he absorbed the orb, as evident here:http://i.imgur.com/xKwuJMk.jpg
"i am fulfilled"
and after this point, he additionally absorbed the powers of mordru and time trapper, that's a huge amp don't you think.
And you completely ignored my point of him being a multiversal threat (which according to you, in a weakened state), despite that it completely contradicts everything darkseid actually is.
He didn't realize it then as revealed in my scan.
Why is Darkseid being a multiversal being contradictory to begin with?
Originally posted by abhilegend
"I'm fullfilled, at least for now". Don't leave the whole words behind. Do you think you're the only guy who has read GDS?He didn't realize it then as revealed in my scan.
Why is Darkseid being a multiversal being contradictory to begin with?
how is "at least for now" going to change anything here? and i posted the scan myself so i didn't leave this sentence out.
ok, when have i ever claimed that im the only guy who read GDS? please, point it out.
all your scan shows, which is from the very end of the last issue is that his power decreased prior to the arc itself, and this doesn't contradict the story at all you know. in fact it fits perfectly well, darkseid was weakened at first, that's why he sent his servants to pick up the 2 artifacts, after these 2 artifacts, darkseid was fulfilled, then he added mordru's power and then time trapper, do you know how powerful these guys are?
why a weakened darkseid is contradictory? because even normal darkseid hasn't been shown being a universal threat at all, much less multiversal even less a weakened darkseid being multiversal. Get it?
the evidence is as clear as it gets.
Originally posted by operator616
how is "at least for now" going to change anything here? and i posted the scan myself so i didn't leave this sentence out.ok, when have i ever claimed that im the only guy who read GDS? please, point it out.
all your scan shows, which is from the very end of the last issue is that his power decreased prior to the arc itself, and this doesn't contradict the story at all you know. in fact it fits perfectly well, darkseid was weakened at first, that's why he sent his servants to pick up the 2 artifacts, after these 2 artifacts, darkseid was fulfilled, then he added mordru's power and then time trapper, do you know how powerful these guys are?
why a weakened darkseid is contradictory? because even normal darkseid hasn't been shown being a universal threat at all, much less multiversal even less a weakened darkseid being multiversal. Get it?
the evidence is as clear as it gets.
Because it never said that he was at full power.
That was just sarcasm.
No, it showed that his powers have waned over millenia and he wasn't at full power. He didn't get amped and then weakened. Also that was a controller posing as TT.
You are putting too much emphasis on a clone's words like "Darkseid's destiny is blah, blah, blah". I can show you similar statements for post crisis darkseid too. What's that got to prove exactly?
Ever read Final Crisis?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it never said that he was at full power.That was just sarcasm.
No, it showed that his powers have waned over millenia and he wasn't at full power. He didn't get amped and then weakened. Also that was a controller posing as TT.
You are putting too much emphasis on a clone's words like "Darkseid's destiny is blah, blah, blah". I can show you similar statements for post crisis darkseid too. What's that got to prove exactly?
Ever read Final Crisis?
so how do you define i am fulfilled? regardless, time trapper alone is more powerful than darkseid, you do know that right? and along with mordru? no matter how weak darkseid was, it's still a huge amp.
it wasn't a controller posing as Time trapper, time trapper was a controller until further retcons.
im not going to argue with that, if you're refusing to acknowledge on panel avidence then that's not my problem.
you do know we're talking about PC darkseid right? not post crisis?
setting that aside (just to clarify) it was darkseid's true form, read this part of the interview:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163947.5;wap2
ALL PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES OF THE NEW GODS HAVE KIND OF BEEN PROJECTIONS INTO DC UNIVERSE...UNTIL NOW
which also fits well how the new gods were depicted in new gods v4 #10.
but seriously, if you're going to deny further evidence im not going to you reply anymore (note that no offence intended) because darkseid got at least 2 huge amps after being back to power, and even if he wasn't (despite the fact that he was, but just for the sake of it) time trapper and mordru are both well beyond darkseid, so absorbing their power alone, is an extremely well amped darkseid. THERE IS NO DENYING THAT.
Originally posted by operator616
so how do you define i am fulfilled? regardless, time trapper alone is more powerful than darkseid, you do know that right? and along with mordru? no matter how weak darkseid was, it's still a huge amp.it wasn't a controller posing as Time trapper, time trapper was a controller until further retcons.
im not going to argue with that, if you're refusing to acknowledge on panel avidence then that's not my problem.
you do know we're talking about PC darkseid right? not post crisis?
setting that aside (just to clarify) it was darkseid's true form, read this part of the interview:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163947.5;wap2
ALL PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES OF THE NEW GODS HAVE KIND OF BEEN PROJECTIONS INTO DC UNIVERSE...UNTIL NOW
which also fits well how the new gods were depicted in new gods v4 #10.
but seriously, if you're going to deny further evidence im not going to you reply anymore (note that no offence intended) because darkseid got at least 2 huge amps after being back to power, and even if he wasn't (despite the fact that he was, but just for the sake of it) time trapper and mordru are both well beyond darkseid, so absorbing their power alone, is an extremely well amped darkseid. THERE IS NO DENYING THAT.
He was temporarily satiated with power.
It was a controller as shown later in LOSH.
Except it isn't a proof unless you think post crisis darkseid is a multiversal being too since I've seen Granny Goodness and Kanto saying that too.
As shown on panel Time Trapper was stated to be Darkseid class in power. Its not an insult to trapper, darkseid was just that powerful.
No need to be snide about it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was temporarily satiated with power.It was a controller as shown later in LOSH.
Except it isn't a proof unless you think post crisis darkseid is a multiversal being too since I've seen Granny Goodness and Kanto saying that too.
As shown on panel Time Trapper was stated to be Darkseid class in power. Its not an insult to trapper, darkseid was just that powerful.
No need to be snide about it.
yes you said it yourself, which means he was at normal levels at least, and taking mordru's and time trapper's powers amped him further, this proves my point
show me this retcon.
i didn't get your 3rd point, post crisis darkseid was only multiversal in his true form, not avatar form.
im not going to disregard your evidence completely but im going to ask you this, do you know any feats for darkseid that puts him on time trapper's level or is it just the bio? this one statement? because i can also show you low showings for darkseid if you'd like.
Either way, this still doesn't change the fact that darkseid was amped in GDS.
Originally posted by leonidas
in that arc, he was amped, but alludes to the fact that he was REGAINING his power that he had lost over time. and it seems to be true that at one point in his history ds WAS more powerful than he is now (or even was back in the pre-c days). he has always had a history of absorbing power as well. according to the orion series, ds wiped out whole PANTHEONS of gods.
Originally posted by operator616
yes you said it yourself, which means he was at normal levels at least, and taking mordru's and time trapper's powers amped him further, this proves my pointshow me this retcon.
i didn't get your 3rd point, post crisis darkseid was only multiversal in his true form, not avatar form.
im not going to disregard your evidence completely but im going to ask you this, do you know any feats for darkseid that puts him on time trapper's level or is it just the bio? this one statement? because i can also show you low showings for darkseid if you'd like.
Either way, this still doesn't change the fact that darkseid was amped in GDS.
Let me check my comics.
He has been said that by granny goodness and Kanto.
Defeating controller time trapper isn't enough? I doubt you could show anything I haven't already seen.
He wasn't amped, he was weaker than his prime as stated by himself.
