Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he did not do that. Obi fled as soon as he ordered his underlings to get involved. Palp hD Vader fight Luke and back him.

You conceded.

No, Obi did not prove that. There was no winner.

Liar. He fought Obi and then got beat. He then stopped fighting as seen in the video and told his men to handle it. So according to you Obi wan won the fight. Concession accepted.

Concession accepted.

In the strict Pre vs Obi won battle. The Jedi came out victorious due to pre telling his men to handle it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Liar. He fought Obi and then got beat. He then stopped fighting as seen in the video and told his men to handle it. So according to you Obi wan won the fight. Concession accepted.

Concession accepted.

In the strict Pre vs Obi won battle. The Jedi came out victorious due to pre telling his men to handle it.

You conceded.

So you make excuses and use double standards because you're a troll.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
He was not beaten and then had his men help. Nah, Obi didn't win.

You conceded.

So you make excuses and use double standards because you're a troll.

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Who got the last licks in?

Yes you did.

What double standards?

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]I see later on you say this is about Yoda so let's see what happens 35-37 seconds in after being warned about being attacked.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9DI8kkR9G0Q

So Palpatine's just fast enough to get the first attack in on Yoda, big deal

So take your own advice. That wasn't Yoda running down the hallway that was Qui and Kenobi.

Well if you believe that Obi-Wan is so much faster than Yoda and could speedblitz him in a fight

What scene did Yoda move so fast Jedi can only see faint swings ? You love making shit up and using other feats for Yoda.

Originally posted by Revenge of the Sith Novelisation
Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit
flash-blind the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence,
half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once. The shadow he fought, that blur of speed-could that be Palpatine? Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them-But he could feel them in the Force.

Based off the evidence if Khah can fire without warning in less than two seconds he kills Yoda. Watch the video. That's evidence talking, troll.
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So Yoda can freeze him long before he can think then? Good. very good

It destroys your laughable claims they have combat super speed. I have numerous examples of non force users getting eradicated.

All it tells us people like Jango and Cad have demonstrable feats of keeping up with ****ers with super speed

Khan has no such luxury, as per your own admission

We don't see anyone else run down hallways with Kenobi sprinting speed but we see non force users ok Kenobi due to being faster in combat.

"We don't see Superman tow planets and tank supernovas in every issue he's in"

"We don't see DBZ characters bust planets in every fight they enter"

This is pretty much your argument

Khan is far faster than taking two seconds to blast someone. That blast hit and ko'd Yoda despite precognition and a warning. Evidence, sport.

Man that's funny, next thing your going to tell me is that Khan actually has speed feats

Irony since you asked for feats. He beat Klingons who ended up physically overwhelming him yet suddenly no one gets any feats.

So Kirk beat Klingons and this is a feat because they have feats of... overpowering Kirk who is impressive because... he beat Kilingons? Congratulations, you have unlocked the "Circular Logic" achievement! Speech! Speech! Speech!

The only one he beat was ventress but she's horribly outmatched with the same skill set.

Khan's also horribly outmatched and lacking telekinesis

Yoda failed to best Dooku or Palpatine. He even needed help against featless droids. 😂

Are you serious? Dooku pissed himself running and dropped a pillar on Anakin and Obi-Wan to distract Yoda

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Who got the last licks in?

Yes you did.

What double standards?

Nah.

You say pre lost but ignore Dooku fleeing Yoda on his own, etc.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
So Palpatine's just fast enough to get the first attack in on Yoda, big deal

Well if you believe that Obi-Wan is so much faster than Yoda and could speedblitz him in a fight

[QUOTE="Revenge of the Sith Novelisation"]Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit
flash-blind the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence,
half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once. The shadow he fought, that blur of speed-could that be Palpatine? Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them-But he could feel them in the Force.

So Yoda can freeze him long before he can think then? Good. very good

All it tells us people like Jango and Cad have demonstrable feats of keeping up with ****ers with super speed

Khan has no such luxury, as per your own admission

"We don't see Superman tow planets and tank supernovas in every issue he's in"

"We don't see DBZ characters bust planets in every fight they enter"

This is pretty much your argument

Man that's funny, next thing your going to tell me is that Khan actually has speed feats

So Kirk beat Klingons and this is a feat because they have feats of... overpowering Kirk who is impressive because... he beat Kilingons? Congratulations, you have unlocked the "Circular Logic" achievement! Speech! Speech! Speech!

Khan's also horribly outmatched and lacking telekinesis

Are you serious? Dooku pissed himself running and dropped a pillar on Anakin and Obi-Wan to distract Yoda [/QUOTE] A two second attack that he warned him about. That's pathetic. In two seconds Khan kills him multiple times.

Obi can't fight at that speed so how could he speedblitz him. He ran down a hallway. Yoda never did anything like that. The guy relied on a cane for gait. 😂

So what ? That's hyperbolic talk that contradicts the film. Movies only. Nah, Khan guns him down as he has quicker fast draw feats than Yoda using the force.

They don't have super speed. You claim the force gives it to them but non force users have been shown as quicker. 😂

Khan is quicker as well. Khan is better in hand to hand and quicker with a gun than they are with a saber.

When do we ever see Obi fight in speeds like his one time sprint ? Can Jango sprint that fast ?

Far better shooting feats than two second attacks that ok Yoda. Canon.

Well Kirk beat other Klingons but a few of them physically subdued Kirk. Kirk was barely able to shoot a few anyways as they weren't fodder like droids.

He doesn't need telekinesis just like the clones didn't need it when they took down the vast majority of 10,000 Jedi by way of order 66.

Dooku was not disarmed against a superior Yoda. Terrible. The force attacks were very slow and took multiple seconds to execute with dumb ass Yoda reacting after the fact. Yoda is wise but combat wise he's overrated thus far to levels of hilarity.

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It's nice to see that everyone agrees that Yoda wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's nice to see that everyone agrees that Yoda wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Obi. Pre wasn't beaten though.

Nah.

You say pre lost but ignore Dooku fleeing Yoda on his own, etc.

So you concede Obi won wins due to getting the last licks and Pre was down and told his men to handle it. Done and Done.

Yea.

How is that double standard. Pre and Dooku lost.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A two second attack that he warned him about. That's pathetic. In two seconds Khan kills him multiple times.

IOW useless unquantifiable garbage that is not indicative of anything, until you dig throughout the series for an actual quantifiable feat, which is the same case in any fiction not the Suggsverse

Yeah that's what I thought

Obi can't fight at that speed so how could he speedblitz him. He ran down a hallway. Yoda never did anything like that. The guy relied on a cane for gait. 😂

"Goku never busted a planet himself, that means he can't, even though he owned Freiza who can and has"

"Doomsday never busted a planet himself, even though he's owned Superman who can and has"

Obviously someone cannot powerscaling for shit

So what ? That's hyperbolic talk that contradicts the film. Movies only. Nah, Khan guns him down as he has quicker fast draw feats than Yoda using the force.

That was the novelisation, and was there a scene where Anakin went "Windu and Sidious, oh I can see them just fine"? If yes, that'd be a contradiction, there wasn't, so there isn't

Ah yes, the classic last ditch literature downplaying argument "I don't like what it says so I'm just going to dismiss it as hyperbole" Yeah, you don't get to do that

They don't have super speed. You claim the force gives it to them but non force users have been shown as quicker. 😂

Useless bullshit and use of arbitary titles doesn't override feats

Khan is quicker as well.

Then let's hear those feats then, sonny boy

Khan is better in hand to hand and quicker with a gun than they are with a saber.

Ca you prove he's more skilled?

When do we ever see Obi fight in speeds like his one time sprint ? Can Jango sprint that fast ?

Unless we have a reason to believe they're going much slower, then we don't, Occam's Razor is your friend

Far better shooting feats than two second attacks that ok Yoda. Canon.

Yoda and Sidious based on feats are overwhelmingly faster

Well Kirk beat other Klingons but a few of them physically subdued Kirk. Kirk was barely able to shoot a few anyways as they weren't fodder like droids.

Unless you can tell us how powerful Kirk is, then your argument is circular logic and nothing else

He doesn't need telekinesis just like the clones didn't need it when they took down the vast majority of 10,000 Jedi by way of order 66.

Like how Yoda was, except that he wasn't, too bad you still have no valid counterargument to Yoda freezing Khan

Dooku was not disarmed against a superior Yoda. Terrible.

Red herring

The force attacks were very slow and took multiple seconds to execute with dumb ass Yoda reacting after the fact.

Wrong, and another red herring

Yoda is wise but combat wise he's overrated thus far to levels of hilarity.

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Until Quan can provide some actual feats for Khan that show speed, Khan is ultimately stomped.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So you concede Obi won wins due to getting the last licks and Pre was down and told his men to handle it. Done and Done.

Yea.

How is that double standard. Pre and Dooku lost.

Nah.

Dooku fled so with Obi fleeing you use a double standard.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Until Quan can provide some actual feats for Khan that show speed, Khan is ultimately stomped.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
IOW useless unquantifiable garbage that is not indicative of anything, until you dig throughout the series for an actual quantifiable feat, which is the same case in any fiction not the Suggsverse

Yeah that's what I thought

"Goku never busted a planet himself, that means he can't, even though he owned Freiza who can and has"

"Doomsday never busted a planet himself, even though he's owned Superman who can and has"

Obviously someone cannot powerscaling for shit

That was the novelisation, and was there a scene where Anakin went "Windu and Sidious, oh I can see them just fine"? If yes, that'd be a contradiction, there wasn't, so there isn't

Ah yes, the classic last ditch literature downplaying argument "I don't like what it says so I'm just going to dismiss it as hyperbole" Yeah, you don't get to do that

Useless bullshit and use of arbitary titles doesn't override feats

Then let's hear those feats then, sonny boy

Ca you prove he's more skilled?

Unless we have a reason to believe they're going much slower, then we don't, Occam's Razor is your friend

Yoda and Sidious based on feats are overwhelmingly faster

Unless you can tell us how powerful Kirk is, then your argument is circular logic and nothing else

Like how Yoda was, except that he wasn't, too bad you still have no valid counterargument to Yoda freezing Khan

Red herring

Wrong, and another red herring

We go by feats only. I also didn't say yoda can't I just said we have never seen him do so there's no evidence to start saying he does this in a versus matchup. Obi also ran away from droids for crying out loud. He ran away. 😂

Movies only. Read the rules. We clearly see them as does Anakin. Read the rules. GTFO.

It also doesn't override order 66, Jango Fett, Cad Bane, Pre Vizsla, etc. evidence.

So you admit you've never seen the film. 😂

Yes, look at his fights and see the clear skill he uses in oneshotting and systematically crushing his foes and watch Obi look pathetic in hand to hand as well as get beaten by Cad Bane by being slower than Bane.

So we don't ever see them fight we see them evade a fight with this speed. People can sprint but they can't fight at sprinting speeds just because they run really fast. Occam's razor is on my side.

No,mr hey aren't. Based off feats two seconds is awful. Palpatine looks terrible for both warning, taking two seconds while yoda looks bad for precognition and being hit by the attack.

Kirk took down many romulans, people, and a few Klingons. That shows he's formidable unlike,the droids who basically have no feats other than being destroyed.

Yoda killed two and had the aid of the wookiees. Yoda also went into hiding like a coward.

It is called evidence. 💃

That's called evidence. I quantified their feats and you want to pretend it didn't happen while instead saying the novels said a blur which is unquantifiable and violates the movies only rules. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he just got the last licks in but the fight ended with Obi fleeing.

Nah.

Dooku fled so with Obi fleeing you use a double standard.

The fight between per Vizla and Obi wan kenobi end end when pre told his men to handle it. He stopped fighting thus surrendering.

Yea.

Dooku lost his fight with yoda. Obi wan won his. Pre fled first. He fled the battle thus no double standards are used.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The fight between per Vizla and Obi wan kenobi end end when pre told his men to handle it. He stopped fighting thus surrendering.

Yea.

Dooku lost his fight with yoda. Obi wan won his. Pre fled first. He fled the battle thus no double standards are used.

No.

Dooku fled so if Obi fled then he loses by your own standards. Fleeing means leaving not saying help me while standing your ground.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he wanted aid and Obi fled. Obi left the fight.

No.

Dooku fled so if Obi fled then he loses by your own standards. Fleeing means leaving not saying help me while standing your ground.

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Aid is when I'm helping you and you still fighting not when I'm doing all the work. Pre fled the battle thus he lost.

Yes.

Pre fled first that's what I'm trying to get you to understand. He got beat up and then backed down. He surrendered.

I win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is quantifiable. I just said it last two seconds. You trying to ignore the facts and play fantasy land won't change it. 🙂

No, it's pretty much useless, a vast majority of fiction is like this, hence why you cannot just nitpick any random thing and just go "oh that doesn't look impressive to me so it's not", else I could prolly do the same for Khan, or Voldemort

We go by feats only.

Exactly, we go with feats, such as Jedi sprinting down hallways in seconds, and comparing Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to Sidious and Yoda is like comparing Saiyan Saga Vegeta and Freiza

And them deflecting blasters from close range

Now your turn to show a speed feat from Khan

I also didn't say yoda can't I just said we have never seen him do so there's no evidence to start saying he does this in a versus matchup. Obi also ran away from droids for crying out loud. He ran away. 😂

You sure love your red herrings

Movies only. Read the rules. We clearly see them as does Anakin. Read the rules. GTFO.

Kind of why Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels are allowed too, rite?

It also doesn't override order 66, Jango Fett, Cad Bane, Pre Vizsla, etc. evidence.

That just says more about Mandalorians and Cad then it does to the contrary

inb4 "non force users" title means I can dismiss any feats offhand because um... um... potatoes I guess

Yes, look at his fights and see the clear skill he uses in oneshotting and systematically crushing his foes and watch Obi look pathetic in hand to hand as well as get beaten by Cad Bane by being slower than Bane.

Can you present feats?

So we don't ever see them fight we see them evade a fight with this speed. People can sprint but they can't fight at sprinting speeds just because they run really fast. Occam's razor is on my side.

"Just because a character can move at Mach 1500 doesn't mean he can punch at 20 m/s!"

As usual, you make terrible arguments

No,mr hey aren't. Based off feats two seconds is awful. Palpatine looks terrible for both warning, taking two seconds while yoda looks bad for precognition and being hit by the attack.

Based off feats, Jedi deflect blaster bolts from a few meters away, Khan has no such luxury

Kirk took down many romulans, people, and a few Klingons. That shows he's formidable unlike,the droids who basically have no feats other than being destroyed.

So IOW just more useless garbage

Did he say, move at mach speeds? Did he pulverise boulders with his punches? Kinda what I'm asking for, not beating up featless schmucks

Also if some mooks beat up a guy in ST it's a feat, if the same thin happens in SW it's not. Nice double standards

Yoda killed two and had the aid of the wookiees.

The wookies didn't do anything

Yoda also went into hiding like a coward.

Irrelevant tangent

It is called evidence. 💃

No, you're just grasping at straws, still doesn't change that Dooku couldn't win

That's called evidence. I quantified their feats and you want to pretend it didn't happen while instead saying the novels said a blur which is unquantifiable and violates the movies only rules. 😂

Except that you didn't, you just nitpicked random things and assumed it was evidence, vs debating doesn't work that way

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Aid is when I'm helping you and you still fighting not when I'm doing all the work. Pre fled the battle thus he lost.

Yes.

Pre fled first that's what I'm trying to get you to understand. He got beat up and then backed down. He surrendered.

I win.

Nah.

Fleeing means leaving which Obi did.

You lose, again.

But seriously, if your main tactic is nitpicking any teensy tiny little thing to say he's no x level of speed that's just damn sad. It's pedantic at best and desperation at worst, you could pull that tactic in any fictional universe

Simple fact of the matter is quantifiable speed feats only happen a few times throughout the series, rest of the time is just unquantifiable speed tropes and just people not being retarded assuming they're not going much slower for no ****ing reason

And if that's not a concept you've grasped by now, then what the hell you're doing in vs debating I'll never know