Originally posted by Lestov16He can recover far better than Palpatine who Yoda failed to ko with a force push. If he can't ko a weaker older man he isn't koing Khan.
LOL. What does "taking blasts" have to do with a telekinetic field which permeates not only him, but the entire universe? You may as well being saying "The sky is blue because ducks are white". The logic you are throwing out is not compatible with itself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you eliminate the characters and their histories just basing it purely off their abilities. That isn't debating IMO.
Um, no. We debate powersets. We just had this discussion in the Prime vs Kong thread, where Sadako tried to pull this same bullshit and say Optimus wouldn't deploy his weapons because it wasn't "in character". It failed there, too. Kong definitely had the more interesting history and film behind him, but because he was lacking in pure ability he lost to Prime. We don't debate who had the better film. We debate powersets. End of line.
Quite honestly, the implication of your argument is to ignore feats and base opinions on what you liked better, and thus be a biased fanboy with no regard for objectivity or evidence. 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
He can recover far better than Palpatine who Yoda failed to ko with a force push. If he can't ko a weaker older man he isn't koing Khan.
Yeah, the fact that he failed to KO Palpatine has NOT A GOD DAMN THING to do with the fact that Palpatine is himself a force-user, arguably just as powerful, who can manipulate the same telekinetic field. Not a damn thing. 🙄
Originally posted by Lestov16I don't ignore feats at all. In fact you do. Anything they have done on screen is fair game. You make up feats. That is debating based on your imagination alone.
Um, no. We debate powersets. We just had this discussion in the Prime vs Kong thread, where Sadako tried to pull this same bullshit and say Optimus wouldn't deploy his weapons because it wasn't "in character". It failed there, too. Kong definitely had the more interesting history and film behind him, but because he was lacking in pure ability he lost to Prime. We don't debate who had the better film. We debate powersets. End of line.Quite honestly, the implication of your argument is to ignore feats and base opinions on what you liked better, and thus be a biased fanboy with no regard for objectivity or evidence. 😬
Optimus crushes Kong. I could care less what anyone says I fully believe in character otherwise this isn't Khan or Yoda.
We debate on evidence. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverThe feat you suggested. He can force push. He has never force held someone to decapitate them. We see him fight all the time and he does not use his powers like so. Jedi block blaster fire. They don't hold enemies in check and crush them in the manner you are describing.
Which? Used the Force to TK a body, or used his lightsaber to decapitate someone?
Watch Jango take on Obi. 🙂
Originally posted by Lestov16Palpatine having the same abilities did not prevent the tk from rocking his old body. Watch the movies. It hurt him. 😂
Yeah, the fact that he failed to KO Palpatine has [b]NOT A GOD DAMN THING to do with the fact that Palpatine is himself a force-user, arguably just as powerful, who can manipulate the same telekinetic field. Not a damn thing. 🙄 [/B]
Palpatine blasted Yoda and ko'd him. Yoda was prepared later and redirected it. Just because they have the same kind of powers does not mean they can't hurt each other with them. 😂
Palpatine was not ko'd. Khan's cells regenerate amazingly. Khan laughs this off.
Argument supported.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The feat you suggested. He can force push. He has never force held someone to decapitate them. We see him fight all the time and he does not use his powers like so. Jedi block blaster fire. They don't hold enemies in check and crush them in the manner you are describing.Watch Jango take on Obi. 🙂
He can use the Force to push, pull, or hold. He's used these abilities in combat before.
I never suggested that he held Khan in place. I suggested he pull Khan towards him.
Jedi block blaster fire when they aren't outright avoiding it or stopping them from shooting in the first place.
This fight doesn't involve Obi-Wan. What is the point in suggesting this?
Originally posted by XanatosForeverHe has never done the tactic you are suggesting. We don't use make believe feats.
He can use the Force to push, pull, or hold. He's used these abilities in combat before.I never suggested that he held Khan in place. I suggested he pull Khan towards him.
Jedi block blaster fire when they aren't outright avoiding it or stopping them from shooting in the first place.
This fight doesn't involve Obi-Wan. What is the point in suggesting this?
We see the Jedi eradicated by Order 66. We see Jedi force pushing or killing with their sabers. We don't see any Jedi holding them in check and decapitating anyone.
The point is seeing a Jedi with the same powers against Jango who has no powers minus his saber for most of the fight. We don't see anything you say ever used despite his powers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Palpatine having the same abilities did not prevent the tk from rocking his old body. Watch the movies. It hurt him. 😂Palpatine blasted Yoda and ko'd him. Yoda was prepared later and redirected it. Just because they have the same kind of powers does not mean they can't hurt each other with them. 😂
Palpatine was not ko'd. Khan's cells regenerate amazingly. Khan laughs this off.
Argument supported.
Maybe Palpatine wasn't completely shielded, but he obviously used his powers to withstand some of Yoda's blast. Khan has no defense whatsoever
Matter of fact, let's get into Khan.
-He got outsmarted by McCoy, who used the ploy Khan JUST SAID HE WOULDN'T FALL FOR
-His punk bytch hits couldn't even keep Kirk down, since Kirk, after taking a massive beating from Khan and getting beamed back to the Enterprise was still agile enough to do all the agile gymnastics needed to repair the warp core
-Despite all his supposed physical superiority, Spock was easily keeping up with him no matter how hard he tried to run in San Fransisco
- He was hurt by a Vulcan nerve pinch.
-Despite his "regenerative ability", he still went down to phaser shots (far weaker than what Yoda will be throwing at him) and Spock utterly wrecking his shit
-His only successful head crush was against a frail old man
Khan sucks both as an opponent for Yoda and as a villain and character in general. So yeah:
/story
Originally posted by quanchi112
He has never done the tactic you are suggesting. We don't use make believe feats.We see the Jedi eradicated by Order 66. We see Jedi force pushing or killing with their sabers. We don't see any Jedi holding them in check and decapitating anyone.
The point is seeing a Jedi with the same powers against Jango who has no powers minus his saber for most of the fight. We don't see anything you say ever used despite his powers.
What tactic? Use the Force as telekinesis? We have seen him use it. How is it a make believe feat?
Why are you bringing other Jedi into it? This is Yoda we're debating, not other Jedi.
Originally posted by Lestov16No, he did not. Yo have no evidence to support such a claim. Kinda sums up your argument altogether.
Maybe Palpatine wasn't [b]completely shielded, but he obviously used his powers to withstand some of Yoda's blast. Khan has no defense whatsoeverMatter of fact, let's get into Khan.
-He got outsmarted by McCoy, who used the ploy Khan JUST SAID HE WOULDN'T FALL FOR
-His punk bytch hits couldn't even keep Kirk down, since Kirk, after taking a massive beating from Khan and getting beamed back to the Enterprise was still agile enough to do all the agile gymnastics needed to repair the warp core
-Despite all his supposed physical superiority, Spock was easily keeping up with him no matter how hard he tried to run in San Fransisco
- He was hurt by a Vulcan nerve pinch.
-Despite his "regenerative ability", he still went down to phaser shots (far weaker than what Yoda will be throwing at him) and Spock utterly wrecking his shit
-His only successful head crush was against a frail old man
Khan sucks both as an opponent for Yoda and as a villain and character in general. So yeah:
/story [/B]
Khan ko'd them and overtook the ship. 🙂
Palpatine outsmarted the entire Jedi order in hysterical fashion.
Kirk was handily owned. Kirk couldn't even hurt him with blows. Let's not compare Khan to someone who needs a cane and struggles with general mobility issues.
Khan beat him. Far superior to Spock who is far superior to human beings anyways.
Yes, he was but he beat it. Awesome showing. Yoda was ko'd by one force lightning blast.
8 shots, a weapon used by someone three times stronger than humans, and continued attacks. Yoda was ko'd by one force lightning blast. 😂
He was crushing Spock's skull but his gf showed up.
The funny part is Benedict is probably going to wreck shit in the Star Wars based off his unforgettable performance in Star Trek as Khan.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverYou are making up the feat you are claiming Yoda does. He has never done it. You should argue on the evidence not your imaginary application of powers we have never seen before.
What tactic? Use the Force as telekinesis? We have seen him use it. How is it a make believe feat?Why are you bringing other Jedi into it? This is Yoda we're debating, not other Jedi.
We have never seen Yoda or anyone and you keep acting like it's legitimate.
It's blatant.
Khan told McCoy to beam over the other augments, and he would know if they were switched. McCoy then proceeds to switch the augments, and Khan, despite saying he wouldn't fall for it, completely falls for it....
Palpatine was using his powers to block the force from the Jedi. They stated this in ROTS
Kirk was most certainly not owned, since he was agile enough to fix the warp core. Khan hits like a bytch, proven onscreen 🙂
He struggled like hell to beat Spock. And that was a tangible threat.
True Yoda may not be as durable as Khan, but that doesn't matter when Khan won't be able to touch him.
Keep ignoring and dodging how the hell Khan is going to shift his body out of a telekinetic field which permeates the entire universe.
Originally posted by Lestov16He would know if they weren't his torpedoes. They were.
It's blatant.Khan told McCoy to beam over the other augments, and he would know if they were switched. McCoy then proceeds to switch the augments, and Khan, despite saying he wouldn't fall for it, completely falls for it....
Palpatine was using his powers to block the force from the Jedi. They stated this in ROTS
Kirk was most certainly not owned, since he was agile enough to fix the warp core. Khan hits like a bytch, proven onscreen 🙂
He struggled like hell to beat Spock. And that was a tangible threat.
True Yoda may not be as durable as Khan, but that doesn't matter when Khan won't be able to touch him.
Keep ignoring and dodging how the hell Khan is going to shift his body out of a telekinetic field which [b]permeates the entire universe
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Dark side clouded it. Their powers still worked in combat. They were annihilated. Easily. One day.
Kirk was owned by. Khan. Kirk then died. He needed Khan's super blood. 😂
Khan bested him both times. He won one on one. Decisively.
Khan shoots him. He took out a squadron of Klingdons singlehandedly.
Khan shoots him. Yoda sure didn't tk the clones. He will try to evade with his saber. Khan mows him down. Yoda never beat anyone or had the upper hand. Awful.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are making up the feat you are claiming Yoda does. He has never done it. You should argue on the evidence not your imaginary application of powers we have never seen before.We have never seen Yoda or anyone and you keep acting like it's legitimate.
My claim is that Yoda has used telekinesis to manipulate objects, including people. How am I making that up when it is something he has done such a thing, on multiple occasions?