Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Started by quanchi112201 pages

Originally posted by XanatosForever
My claim is that Yoda has used telekinesis to manipulate objects, including people. How am I making that up when it is something he has done such a thing, on multiple occasions?
He has never done what you claimed he does here. He can force push or kill with his saber but hold someone in place while,he closes the distance has never been done. You can't make things up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He has never done what you claimed he does here. He can force push or kill with his saber but hold someone in place while,he closes the distance has never been done. You can't make things up.

Please cite where I stated that Yoda is holding Khan down via the Force at any point during my joining this debate.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Please cite where I stated that Yoda is holding Khan down via the Force at any point during my joining this debate.
Then what exactly are you claiming ?

Have you been reading my posts at all?

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Have you been reading my posts at all?
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Okay, so what I'm seeing is this: Yoda uses the Force to pull Khan and takes his head off with via lightsaber.
Right here. Not used in the same manner. He doesn't pull anyone towards him or hold him in a force attack.

If you can't give an example onscreen it's just a baseless claim.

To be fair, holding someone in place with the force is one of the most memorable scenes in the original movies. A yoda should be able to multitask a bit.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
To be fair, holding someone in place with the force is one of the most memorable scenes in the original movies. A yoda should be able to multitask a bit.
What instance are you referring to ?

"I find your lack of faith disturbing"-darth Vader.
"Chocccccckkflem"-the other guy

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
"I find your lack of faith disturbing"-darth Vader.
"Chocccccckkflem"-the other guy
Choking him isn't holding him in place. It's just choking him.

He also was strong enough to rip the x-wing out of a swamp on his death bed. Khan weighs less than an x-wing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Right here. Not used in the same manner. He doesn't pull anyone towards him or hold him in a force attack.

If you can't give an example onscreen it's just a baseless claim.

I see. Then I suppose I'll amend it. I see Yoda pushing Khan against the wall ,then leaping forward and cutting his head off.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
He also was strong enough to rip the x-wing out of a swamp on his death bed. Khan weighs less than an x-wing.
With a lot of his concentration. We see him use his force powers against Palpatine. Not impressive.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
I see. Then I suppose I'll amend it. I see Yoda pushing Khan against the wall ,then leaping forward and cutting his head off.
Khan recovers by then. Cells regenerate making his recovery superhuman. He shoots Yoda.

By which showings? Khan has been knocked back before without any superhuman recovery apparent. Yoda's leap can cover the distance between them faster than Khan could raise his weapon. Not to mention Yoda could deflect it with his lightsaber mid-jump.

You see the problem here is thst khan would have to get several shots in to put yoda down, buy yoda just needs one lucky shot somewhere important. Khsn can't exactly stop the lightsaber either.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
By which showings? Khan has been knocked back before without any superhuman recovery apparent. Yoda's leap can cover the distance between them faster than Khan could raise his weapon. Not to mention Yoda could deflect it with his lightsaber mid-jump.
We see him recover time and time again in the film based off his recovery. He shrugs off 8 consecutive stun blasts. Khan pulls his weapon just like clone troopers fire shots off. Here's the part again where you start making things up and ignoring what happens in the movies.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
You see the problem here is thst khan would have to get several shots in to put yoda down, buy yoda just needs one lucky shot somewhere important. Khsn can't exactly stop the lightsaber either.
Khan has a very big gun with a blast wider than anything Yoda's saber has blocked before.

He also has another gun and is highly skilled along with extremely accurate.

Yoda caught lightning with his hand and his lighsaber blocked shots meant to kill, I don't think a little stun gun is gonna do much. He could also just force the gun away.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see him recover time and time again in the film based off his recovery. He shrugs off 8 consecutive stun blasts. Khan pulls his weapon just like clone troopers fire shots off. Here's the part again where you start making things up and ignoring what happens in the movies.

How do you know the stun blasts are equal to a force push by Yoda that he would be able to shrug them off? You're the one making things up with no basis on this point. Khan's also not fought someone as agile as Yoda, what basis do you have that he'll be able to adjust to fighting someone less than half his size moving a speeds faster than he's ever come across?

You've never specified what weaponry he has on him, either. The guns he had against the Klingon can't be considered part of his basic equipment. We never see him wield anything like them again in the movie.

Yoda still wins.