Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lucas never said he Windu "won".

And the Official Site is actually more Official than Lucas now, given that Lucas isn't in charge anymore. And the Official site makes it perfectly clear that Windu's "victory" is questionable. End of.

That said I don't agree with EmperorSidious that Sidious was holding back throughout the fight. And I do think Windu legitimately disarmed Sidious in that fight.

But "defeating" Sidious is a whole different thing to disarming him, as Yoda can tell you.

I make it sound like he held back? Oh I apologize for that impression. I simply don't believe that windy won the lightsaber duel legitimently. I apologize for any confusion.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I simply don't believe that windy won the lightsaber duel legitimently.

I do. I just think he'd lose a majority in Sabers. The one he won was a circumstantial minority case.

But I also strongly believe he'd lose 10/10 in an All-Out if he faced Sidious in the same scenario Yoda did.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No it's not due to not al, evidence being looked at.

So doesn't mean he can't. Its a skill in his arsenal that he can use is it not.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lucas never said he Windu "won".

And the Official Site is actually more Official than Lucas now, given that Lucas isn't in charge anymore. And the Official site makes it perfectly clear that Windu's "victory" is questionable. End of.

That said I don't agree with EmperorSidious that Sidious was holding back throughout the fight. And I do think Windu legitimately disarmed Sidious in that fight.

But "defeating" Sidious is a whole different thing to disarming him, as Yoda can tell you.

Lucas directed the scene and nothing has been retconned. Windu died and he never finished Sheev due to Anakin so it was a hollow or short lived victory at best.

Windu had him at his mercy no completely vulnerable. Yoda can't make that claim.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your theories aren't evidence. Lucas agreed.

Again theories are backed by evidence. Lucas never agrees.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again theories are backed by evidence. Lucas never agrees.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Overcame aka won. I get that words can trip you up but don't insult those of us with a brain.

He said "Overpower" not "Overcame".

Now we'll see which one of us is stupid: Tell me in ROTS when Dooku slam kicked Anakin to the floor did he Overpower him in that scene or not?

I want a Yes or No answer, and we'll see whose got the brain here (even though everyone already knows the answer to that).

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lucas directed the scene and nothing has been retconned. Windu died and he never finished Sheev due to Anakin so it was a hollow or short lived victory at best.

Well certain things have been retconned by Lucas himself. Like Sidious having a 2nd Saber on him at the time. So yes, things can always be retconned. Not that they need to be, because Lucas's statement on the matter was always conflicted anyway.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu had him at his mercy no completely vulnerable.

Lucas disagrees with you. As Lucas explicitly states Sidious was "faking" being weak and vulnerable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda can't make that claim.

Yoda's more powerful than Windu and a better Swordsman as confirmed by Kenobi and Sidious himself in the films. And as confirmed by the creators of ROTS.

You lose again fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lucas used the word overcome. Debate over.

Again evidence points to the contrary. If debate were over Lucas wouldn't keep his answer secret.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He said "Overpower" not "Overcame".

Now we'll see which one of us is stupid: Tell me in ROTS when Dooku slam kicked Anakin to the floor did he Overpower him in that scene or not?

I want a Yes or No answer, and we'll see whose got the brain here (even though everyone already knows the answer to that).

Well certain things have been retconned by Lucas himself. Like Sidious having a 2nd Saber on him at the time. So yes, things can always be retconned. Not that they need to be, because Lucas's statement on the matter was always conflicted anyway.

Lucas disagrees with you. As Lucas explicitly states Sidious was "faking" being weak and vulnerable.

Yoda's more powerful than Windu and a better Swordsman as confirmed by Kenobi and Sidious himself in the films. And as confirmed by the creators of ROTS.

You lose again fanboy.

😂

At no point did anyone say in that scene against Windu that Sheev had a second saber on himself.

Palpatine feigned weakened after he realized he needed Anakin. He was screaming you will die and once he realized he was ****ed feigned weakness to gain sympathy from Anakin. Unlike you I'm intelligent.

Windu overpowered Palpatine. Yoda didn't even overcome Dooku.

Evidence talks, fanboy.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again evidence points to the contrary. If debate were over Lucas wouldn't keep his answer secret.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He already said his answer. You not comprehending it or accepting it is another matter.

Ago an evoke me point to the contrary and if a good portion of the Star Wars fans are saying that he consul have thrown the fight then yes it's still a debate.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Ago an evoke me point to the contrary and if a good portion of the Star Wars fans are saying that he consul have thrown the fight then yes it's still a debate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Delusional fans who can't accept the truth. Kill yourselves ASAP. Khan wins.

Or people who see the other side of the story. Everyone here says wants the same from you. 🙂 You still haven't proven how. After more than 100 pages you still haven't proven how. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Overpowered in the sense he defeated him.

Palpatine didn't allow this he was flat out overpowered.

😂

Who said that's what he meant? Because Lucas sure didn't.

He said this scene always BEGAN with Mave overpowering Palaptine, AND THEN Palpatine shooting his Lightning at Mace[/i].

The fact that the fight continued in Lucas's own words, is Factual Evidence that Lucas didn't say Sidious was already defeated smart ass.

I'm also Laughing at how you how you've chose to run away from my question about Dooku overpowering Anakin with that kick that flattened him 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
At no point did anyone say in that scene against Windu that Sheev had a second saber on himself.

No Lucas introduced us to that in TCW. Just adding more to Sidious faking being weak and helpless, which Lucas already confirmed 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Unlike you I'm intelligent.

So intelligent you had to run from my question which proved how dumb you were 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu overpowered Palpatine. Yoda didn't even overcome Dooku.

Evidence talks, fanboy.

Palpatine (whose words you've used as undeniable evidence yourself in the other thread) disagrees with you.

Both him and Kenobi confirm Yoda > Mace in every way.

So yes evidence does speak. And I have all the evidence and objective and logical arguments on my side as usual. Whilst you run from my questions because you know I have you by the Nuts 😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Who said that's what he meant? Because Lucas sure didn't.

He said this scene always BEGAN with Mave overpowering Palaptine, AND THEN Palpatine shooting his Lightning at Mace[/i].

The fact that the fight continued in Lucas's own words, is Factual Evidence that Lucas didn't say Sidious was already defeated smart ass.

I'm also Laughing at how you how you've chose to run away from my question about Dooku overpowering Anakin with that kick that flattened him 😂

No Lucas introduced us to that in TCW. Just adding more to Sidious faking being weak and helpless, which Lucas already confirmed 😂

So intelligent you had to run from my question which proved how dumb you were 😂

Palpatine (whose words you've used as undeniable evidence yourself in the other thread) disagrees with you.

Both him and Kenobi confirm Yoda > Mace in every way.

So yes evidence does speak. And I have all the evidence and objective and logical arguments on my side as usual. Whilst you run from my questions because you know I have you by the Nuts 😂

He was defeated. It was an act of desperation. He later begged for him not to kill him right after screaming he would die. Being disarmed of his weapon and left in a vulnerable position means he was defeated. Once sheer realized there was nothing he could do on his own to improve his situation he feigned weakness because HE NEEDED ANAKIN.

We already knew he had two sabers in rots. At no point in the clone wars does it cover the rots. This happened prior to and nowhere does it ever state he had both sabers on him against Windu.

I answered your question and understood the scene. You didn't.

Palpatine's words, "Please don't kill me." Irony indeed. Weakling begging for his life from Windu.

When in direct comparison to they acknowledge this ? We see Windu beat Sheev. Yoda failed. Feats matter.

Yoda failed to even overpower Dooku who is far less than Sidious. 😂

Facts, boy.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Or people who see the other side of the story. Everyone here says wants the same from you. 🙂 You still haven't proven how. After more than 100 pages you still haven't proven how. 😂

Khan wins by shooting him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nothing in that scene makes sense for him to throw the fight. Lucas never says he does either. Nothing in the film says he does.

Khan wins by shooting him.

Except wanting Anakin to be his apprentice. 😄

Well with that I can say Yoda wins by slicing him up with his blade, or using the force and he wins. 🙂 It works both ways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Arguing semantics or not overpowering him proves Windu did it on his own. At no point did Sidious ever throw the fight.

He was defeated. It was an act of desperation. He later begged for him not to kill him right after screaming he would die. Being disarmed of his weapon and left in a vulnerable position means he was defeated. Once sheer realized there was nothing he could do on his own to improve his situation he feigned weakness because HE NEEDED ANAKIN.

^ This is all your own speculation. There are no facts here at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We already knew he had two sabers in rots.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I answered your question and understood the scene. You didn't.

Where?

Answer now and stop running. Did Dooku overpower Anakin when he kick slammed him?

Originally posted by quanchi112
When in direct comparison to they acknowledge this ? We see Windu beat Sheev. Yoda failed. Feats matter.

Watch the Prequels again. Sidious and Kenobi say it in every movie. Sidious even says it as he's getting into a Saber fight with Yoda.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda failed to even overpower Dooku who is far less than Sidious. 😂

Dooku ran.

But no he didn't get disarmed and TK stomped in 20 seconds like Maul did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Facts, boy.

You have no facts on your side, just your own biased speculation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nothing in that scene makes sense for him to throw the fight. Lucas never says he does either. Nothing in the film says he does.

Someone should tell the guys at Lucasfilm then, so they change the official site's observations on this matter.

He didn't throw the fight. It's really that simple. It's only the sids apologists that can't accept the facts