Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Started by quanchi112201 pages

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Hello KMC. You all know who I am so I'll get straight to it. You all know I have endlessly and idiotically debated with Quan in multiple threads to almost no end. Well that stops now. We have all proved out points that Quan is a troll and has no arguments to be heard of. So I apologize to everyone for endlessly debates get with this troll and I retire my arguments from him and hope to put them to better use and actaully involve my self in actual debates and not this trash with Quan.
Please accept my apology.
Victory is mine. I ate his soul.

LMAO @ comparing 9 votes to 87 votes.

About as funny as comparing Yoda soloing a droid army head to head to Khan Surprise attacking Klingons from a Vantage point and with superior fire power.

Originally posted by Nai
You repeat yourself like a broken record without bringing anything substantial to the discussion.

How else do you think he got this to 147 pages? He even bumped it after the last comment was made by him just to get more pages out of it. That's his real goal, to get as many pages as possible out of this, because he knows he doesn't actually have an argument.

Notice how he doesn't keep bumping this thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=613236&highlight=Khan+vs+Ahsoka+forumid%3A102

I suggest letting him win that one first before giving him the privilege of discussing Khan vs Yoda.

You should prolly take him off ignore if you ever hope to win a debate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda runs under a tank, etc. the droids also had him dead to rights for three seconds. I provided evidence. Droids are weak and Jar Jar successfully took down multiple droids by tripping and stumbling around.
You also seem to be ignoring Kenobi who is in the same shot killing the other clones as well. Bringing a formidable Jedi to the temple to help destroy clones isn't to be ignored.

24-26 [B]Yoda says in the link, "Know the time to help me you will."Yoda admits he will need aid against the droids.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5-fkESkmvu0

I already posted the link and this Yoda quote to you, dummy. Do you even read the posts or clink on the links ? This is embarrassing.

No, he doesn't since the clones interact because they say Yoda won't see the new threats coming. Yoda already said himself they'd know when to act and aid him. Yoda and the clones agree he needed help so why don't his fanboys ? Sad, honestly.

Khan needed no aid, fought superior opponents, and ships. Yoda admitted he needed the clones help. The clones had the vantage point and weren't in the line of fire as well. Yoda was also armed with his force powers and lightsaber. Not my fault Khan has superior weaponry he himself designed.

Yoda didn't deflect or dodge anything nearly as powerful as Khan nor with the skill of Khan. The clones were also killed by Kenobi. He had a peer with him. Yoda didn't go to the Jedi temple alone. Yoda was tagged by one opponent in Palpatine multiple times.

Absence of proof isn't a legitimate point. Yoda was free to defend himself and only an idiot wouldn't see an attack coming. You don't need precognition to be aware Palpatine is going to attack. He ****ing told him. That's how sickening of a fanboy you are.

Sidious abilities aren't important you deluded fanboy. The reaction time and the pre warned attack are. Two seconds and a warned attack Yoda didn't have the skills to block or evade. Khan guns his opponents down in far less time. Advantage:Khan. Emphasis:Mine.

All facts matter not just the ones you want to ignore the context for. Yoda himself says he will need help I tell you and then you play stupid asking when. In the quote and the clip I already provided with a time stamp, you brain dead fanboy.

The facts support me. They always have. Quit ignoring the facts you don't like without giving bullshit reasons as to what might have happened. [/B]

Originally posted by Nai
Yoda can deflect or avoid enemy fire coming from at least eight different directions simultaneously. He is never hit by an energy beam weapon, regardless from where the shot was fired at him (even behind his back), who fired or what firepower the weapon sported. Thus the only logical conclusion is, that Khan's weapons are useless against Yoda, while Yoda's offensive use of the force and his skill with a lightsaber are two things that Khan has absolutely no way of defending himself against.

Either argue this, or shut up.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You should prolly take him off ignore if you ever hope to win a debate.

Considering he bumped his own thread out of desperation, I think it's pretty clear who can't win a debate 😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
LMAO @ comparing 9 votes to 87 votes.

About as funny as comparing Yoda soloing a droid army head to head to Khan Surprise attacking Klingons from a Vantage point and with superior fire power.

How else do you think he got this to 147 pages? He even bumped it after the last comment was made by him just to get more pages out of it. That's his real goal, to get as many pages as possible out of this, because he knows he doesn't actually have an argument.

Notice how he doesn't keep bumping this thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=613236&highlight=Khan+vs+Ahsoka+forumid%3A102

I suggest letting him win that one first before giving him the privilege of discussing Khan vs Yoda.

Yoda did not solo an army. I provided the link and the quote from Yoda saying prior to battle that he'd need the clones help. 😂

Try to curb your fanboyism or at least address me like a man. Are you a man ?

Khan isn't invulnerable and they had multiple ships. So if you believe the firepower mattered that much if I substituted Kirk into that position with his weapons that the result would be the same ?

Let's just forget Khan going hand to hand since you want to dismiss the clear portrayal of him being that superior to everyone else on the field just because you're obtuse.

If you are a man you will respond to me. If you do not you're not. Pretty simple.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You should prolly take him off ignore if you ever hope to win a debate.
He responds but not directly to me. He isn't a man. I've openly challenged him in official debates and he's always caved. He backed down the day of when he repped Vader. Carver has more nuts than he does.

Originally posted by Nai

1. Those clones lacked Khan's skill.
2. Those clones lacked his weaponry.
3. Palpatine hit him with an energy attack.
4. Khan took out 20 plus Klingons, Klingon ships, and had Spock, Kirk, and Uhura at his mercy.
5. Yoda also had a peer with him killing clones at the Jedi temple. That matters.

Refuted.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Considering he bumped his own thread out of desperation, I think it's pretty clear who can't win a debate 😂
You are the one running. Become a man and face me. Quit hiding like a spineless boy.

I've already accepted Quan's concession in this thread. Yoda wins

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I've already accepted Quan's concession in this thread. Yoda wins
You have not rebutted any of my points and continued to make baseless claims. Khan wins as the evidence clearly shows.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I've already accepted Quan's concession in this thread. Yoda wins

No he doesn't just "win". Just "winning" is really understating the sheer power difference in the 2 combatants here. Yoda completely humiliates Khan. He instantly freezes Khan the way Kylo Ren instantly froze Poe Dameron, or the way Yoda himself instantly froze Ventress.

And if somehow Khan shoots first, there's just no way he'll hit Yoda with Yoda's pre-cog and agility. Yoda will dodge deflect all of Khan's shots, leap to him, cut up his weapons, and then Freeze him. And that's the worst case scenario for Yoda 😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No he doesn't just "win". Just "winning" is really understating the sheer power difference in the 2 combatants here. Yoda completely humiliates Khan. He instantly freezes Khan the way Kylo Ren instantly froze Poe Dameron, or the way Yoda himself instantly froze Ventress.

And if somehow Khan shoots first, there's just no way he'll hit Yoda with Yoda's pre-cog and agility. Yoda will dodge deflect all of Khan's shots, leap to him, cut up his weapons, and then Freeze him. And that's the worst case scenario for Yoda 😂

No, he doesn't. He was humiliated by Palpatine a mich weaker combatant than Khan. Yoda isn't Kylo and Ventress wasn't aware of his presence nor does she possess his weaponry or skillset.

Yoda was hit by a two second attack by Palpatine after he warned him. Evidence.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Those clones lacked Khan's skill.
2. Those clones lacked his weaponry.

I find it rather hilarious, that you attempt to imply, that eight Clones combined don't trump Khan when it comes to accumulated accuracy and firepower. Khan isn't shown to fire 30-40 shots on a single target in under five seconds.


3. Palpatine hit him with an energy attack.

I wonder since when Khan uses Force Lightning. He doesn't? Well. Then you should compare his weapons to the stuff from the SW universe that resembles them most: Blasters, Canons, Turbolasers. All of which Yoda can avoid, dodge or deflect with casual ease.


4. Khan took out 20 plus Klingons, Klingon ships, and had Spock, Kirk, and Uhura at his mercy.

To paraphrase your most used "argument" in this very thread: Those people aren't Yoda. Neither of them has supernatural speed, reflexes, precognition or the ability to defend himself against phaser fire, nor the ability to attack Khan with stuff that he can't defend against.


5. Yoda also had a peer with him killing clones at the Jedi temple. That matters.

It doesn't, because Kenobi had no part in killing the Clones that attacked Yoda. Irrelevant missdirection.


Refuted.

Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses. 🙄

Back to square one:

Originally posted by Nai
Yoda can deflect or avoid enemy fire coming from at least eight different directions simultaneously. He is never hit by an energy beam weapon, regardless from where the shot was fired at him (even behind his back), who fired or what firepower the weapon sported. Thus the only logical conclusion is, that Khan's weapons are useless against Yoda, while Yoda's offensive use of the force and his skill with a lightsaber are two things that Khan has absolutely no way of defending himself against.

Either argue this, or shut up.

Originally posted by Nai
I find it rather hilarious, that you attempt to imply, that eight Clones combined don't trump Khan when it comes to accumulated accuracy and firepower. Khan isn't shown to fire 30-40 shots on a single target in under five seconds.

I wonder since when Khan uses Force Lightning. He doesn't? Well. Then you should compare his weapons to the stuff from the SW universe that resembles them most: Blasters, Canons, Turbolasers. All of which Yoda can avoid, dodge or deflect with casual ease.

To paraphrase your most used "argument" in this very thread: Those people aren't Yoda. Neither of them has supernatural speed, reflexes, precognition or the ability to defend himself against phaser fire, nor the ability to attack Khan with stuff that he can't defend against.

It doesn't, because Kenobi had no part in killing the Clones that attacked Yoda. Irrelevant missdirection.

Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses. 🙄

Back to square one:

We saw what 20+ Klingons and multiple Klingon ships weren't up to the task. They lacked his firepower and accuracy. They aren't Khan, German woman.

Khan uses something far more powerful that kills on contact not the weak fl. The point is a two second attack hit him. 😂

Yoda also had aid from the clones he knew he'd need. I already provided the evidence. Droids don't have the skill either.

Yoda is even more at a disadvantage since he doesn't use guns, his force attacks don't kill on the spot, and he's better close range. Khan took on multiple trained opponents who split up and could hit him from long range. Palpatine ko'd him from long range.

Kenobi is killing many of the clones and their attention is split. They both went there together and fought as a team. Quit discounting Yoda bringing a powerful ally with him who also killed multiple clones.

Yoda didn't avoid the two second Palpatine pre warned attack. Canon. Undeniable.
🙂

Originally posted by Nai

It doesn't, because Kenobi had no part in killing the Clones that attacked Yoda. Irrelevant missdirection.

Oh Kenobi's mere presence is enough for the The Troll to keep on Trolling.

But then Notice how The Troll ignores Kirk and Spock's presence during Khan vs Klingons 😂

A 5 year old could point out his idiocy.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh Kenobi's mere presence is enough for the The Troll to keep on Trolling.

But then Notice how The Troll ignores Kirk and Spock's presence during Khan vs Klingons 😂

A 5 year old could point out his idiocy.

So another powerful Jedi destroying clones alongside should be ignored ? That's trolling. I don't ignore the context whereas fanboys always tend to push it aside.

Kirk and Spock were not allied with Khan. He disarmed Spock who had a rifle pointed in his direction.

Did Yoda have to disarm Kenobi or did they go there together with the same objective ?

😂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I've already accepted Quan's concession in this thread. Yoda wins
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Considering he bumped his own thread out of desperation, I think it's pretty clear who can't win a debate 😂

You keep posing in a thread Quan created whom you supposedly have on ignore in an argument you supposedly won. If you really wanted to win, you would just walk away.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We saw what 20+ Klingons and multiple Klingon ships weren't up to the task. They lacked his firepower and accuracy. They aren't Khan, German woman.

Did they attack Khan at once in a coordinated fashion? Nope. Maybe because they were busy attacking Kirk and the other members of the Enterprise crew present at the skirmish. And to repeat your own point once more: Those Klingons aren't Yoda.


Khan uses something far more powerful that kills on contact not the weak fl. The point is a two second attack hit him. 😂

So do virtually all droids and Clones that aimed at Yoda.
And you still haven't got a "point", since you're still attempting to talk down a character, by taking the single attack that hit Yoda [a force attack with unknown properties] out of context and assuming that Khan could hit Yoda as well, despite all evidence suggesting the opposite. Stop trolling.


Yoda also had aid from the clones he knew he'd need. I already provided the evidence. Droids don't have the skill either.

Already refuted. Repeating defeated point ad nauseam doesn't get your anywhere. Stop trolling.


Yoda is even more at a disadvantage since he doesn't use guns, his force attacks don't kill on the spot, and he's better close range. Khan took on multiple trained opponents who split up and could hit him from long range. Palpatine ko'd him from long range.

Attempting to argue against visual evidence. Boring. Khan doesn't have any chance of keeping Yoda at a distance. And even if Yoda's attacks don't "instakill", they are enough to disarm Khan, freeze him on the spot or take him out of the fight long enough for Yoda to close into melee combat. Stop trolling.

Kenobi is killing many of the clones and their attention is split. They both went there together and fought as a team. Quit discounting Yoda bringing a powerful ally with him who also killed multiple clones.

The eight Clones firing on Yoda are just focusing on Yoda. The Jedi aren't "fighting as a team", but just individually cutting down opponents. Furthermore it's hilarious, how you keep pointing to Kenobi, yet ignore the entire ground crew of the Enterprise being present at Khan's skirmish with the Klingons. So: Stop Trolling.


Yoda didn't avoid the two second Palpatine pre warned attack. Canon. Undeniable.
🙂

Khan still doesn't attack via a mythological energy field, but just handles weapon who's counterparts Yoda could dodge or deflect easily. Canon indeed. Undeniable indeed. So your attempts to deny this are nothing but trolling. Back to square one:

Originally posted by Nai
Yoda can deflect or avoid enemy fire coming from at least eight different directions simultaneously. He is never hit by an energy beam weapon, regardless from where the shot was fired at him (even behind his back), who fired or what firepower the weapon sported. Thus the only logical conclusion is, that Khan's weapons are useless against Yoda, while Yoda's offensive use of the force and his skill with a lightsaber are two things that Khan has absolutely no way of defending himself against.

Either argue this, or shut up.

Until you can answer this, you are defeated. No further need to talk to you about this topic.