Originally posted by NaiYes, they launched a coordinated attack. Khan out them down. We see Klingons converging on him. Yes, and they had Kirk at their mercy and Khan took them out. Kirk and his crew were also against Khan. Khan had no allies. Uhura tried to get the Klingons initially to help them bring in Khan. I know. Multiple ships, multiple Klingons have a superior long ranged game and numbers.
Did they attack Khan at once in a coordinated fashion? Nope. Maybe because they were busy attacking Kirk and the other members of the Enterprise crew present at the skirmish. And to repeat your own point once more: Those Klingons aren't Yoda.So do virtually all droids and Clones that aimed at Yoda.
And you still haven't got a "point", since you're still attempting to talk down a character, by taking the single attack that hit Yoda [a force attack with unknown properties] out of context and assuming that Khan could hit Yoda as well, despite all evidence suggesting the opposite. Stop trolling.Already refuted. Repeating defeated point ad nauseam doesn't get your anywhere. Stop trolling.
Attempting to argue against visual evidence. Boring. Khan doesn't have any chance of keeping Yoda at a distance. And even if Yoda's attacks don't "instakill", they are enough to disarm Khan, freeze him on the spot or take him out of the fight long enough for Yoda to close into melee combat. Stop trolling.
The eight Clones firing on Yoda are just focusing on Yoda. The Jedi aren't "fighting as a team", but just individually cutting down opponents. Furthermore it's hilarious, how you keep pointing to Kenobi, yet ignore the entire ground crew of the Enterprise being present at Khan's skirmish with the Klingons. So: Stop Trolling.
Khan still doesn't attack via a mythological energy field, but just handles weapon who's counterparts Yoda could dodge or deflect easily. Canon indeed. Undeniable indeed. So your attempts to deny this are nothing but trolling. Back to square one:
Until you can answer this, you are defeated. No further need to talk to you about this topic.
The droids don't possess weaponry as powerful or as fast as Khan's so nice try.
The unknown properties are about as unknown as the phasers Khan uses. The time isn't unknown. We see a warned attack and two seconds isn't enough for Yoda to avoid the fl. That's the point, kiddo. Based off Khan shooting and killing in less than one second and Yoda failing to w two second attack the evidence suggest Khan kills him.
Saying you refuted my point isn't refuting my point. You're a troll. Yoda himself stated he'd need their help against droids. Yoda knew he needed help because he's a pansy.
Provide evidence to suggest this. Baseless claims. Prove it. Until you do Khan wins based off a two second attack koing Yoda.
They are fighting as a team since they are both killing clones. They don't need to jump up and high five each other. The enterprise crew wasn't there working with Khan. Khan disarmed Spock. Quit trolling. Kirk himself states Khan singlehnadedly took out a squad himself.
I didn't say he uses an energy field. Khan can attack in less than two second and won't warn Yoda. Yoda gets killed since two seconds and a warning wasn't enough for him to defend himself.
I addressed your baseless claim. Yoda's never deflected or avoided something as powerful as Khan's phaser cannon. Khan kills him in less than two seconds.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he doesn't. He was humiliated by Palpatine a mich weaker combatant than Khan. Yoda isn't Kylo and Ventress wasn't aware of his presence nor does she possess his weaponry or skillset.Yoda was hit by a two second attack by Palpatine after he warned him. Evidence.
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This is why it's so easy to defeat you in debates. Logic and common sense aren't your friend. Think about it. you keep clamoring the idea that Yoda was unable to evade a 2 second attack from Sids. You wrongfully conflate that situation with Khan being able to fire a guy faster and go... SEE... If that can hit Yoda than so will Khan's attack. That is a horribly faulty comparison. It would ONLY be relevant if Yoda was TRYING to avoid the "2 second attack" and was unable to do so. However, that wasn't the case, and why you make it so easy to win. He wasn't trying to avoid it at all. He was expecting to tank it and absorb it just like he did the lighting from Dooku. You didn't see him try and avoid it when Dooku fired it... We saw him absorb it or reflect it back. We saw him do the same with Sids later lighting once he was prepared for how powerful the sith lord's lighting was. The absolute most you could say is that Yoda underestimated the power of Sids initially, not much else. He certainly didn't try and avoid it, which makes your argument null and void. If need be, I can post the videos of what Yoda looks like when he's trying to avoid stuff and flipping all around and all over the place. That is him actively trying to avoid attacks, he never did so against Sids initial lighting attack
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiHe was trying to avoid it. We see his arms try to move to put up a defense but he wasn't quick enough to do so. Saying he wanted to let the attack hit him is one of the worst things I've ever heard. I've heard a lot. Yoda knew what the Sith Lord was capable of and just flat out lost.
This is why it's so easy to defeat you in debates. Logic and common sense aren't your friend. Think about it. you keep clamoring the idea that Yoda was unable to evade a 2 second attack from Sids. You wrongfully conflate that situation with Khan being able to fire a guy faster and go... SEE... If that can hit Yoda than so will Khan's attack. That is a horribly faulty comparison. It would ONLY be relevant if Yoda was TRYING to avoid the "2 second attack" and was unable to do so. However, that wasn't the case, and why you make it so easy to win. He wasn't trying to avoid it at all. He was expecting to tank it and absorb it just like he did the lighting from Dooku. You didn't see him try and avoid it when Dooku fired it... We saw him absorb it or reflect it back. We saw him do the same with Sids later lighting once he was prepared for how powerful the sith lord's lighting was. The absolute most you could say is that Yoda underestimated the power of Sids initially, not much else. He certainly didn't try and avoid it, which makes your argument null and void. If need be, I can post the videos of what Yoda looks like when he's trying to avoid stuff and flipping all around and all over the place. That is him actively trying to avoid attacks, he never did so against Sids initial lighting attack
He tried to block the second batch of fl and he lost his saber and then went careening over the pod. 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was trying to avoid it. We see his arms try to move to put up a defense but he wasn't quick enough to do so. Saying he wanted to let the attack hit him is one of the worst things I've ever heard. I've heard a lot. Yoda knew what the Sith Lord was capable of and just flat out lost.He tried to block the second batch of fl and he lost his saber and then went careening over the pod. 😂
That isn't him trying to avoid it dunce... Him moving his hand PROVES my point. You don't try and avoid something by moving your hand up. Do you try and evade a bullet by raising your hand? WTF... This is one of the most atrocious displays of logic I've seen in some time. Yoda was raising his hand to ABSORB or RE-DIRECT the lighting. JUST LIKE he raised his hand to absorb dooku's lighting and re-direct. Just like he raised his hand to counter Sids lighting the second time. That is him trying to avoid it.. that is him trying to tank it and absorb/re-direct it. He wasn't trying to avoid a single thing there. Do I need to post videos of what Yoda looks like when he's trying to avoid attacks?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWe see his hand can resist the fl so of course you can move your hand to reach for your saber or use tutaminis.
That isn't him trying to avoid it dunce... Him moving his hand PROVES my point. You don't try and avoid something by moving your hand up. Do you try and evade a bullet by raising your hand? WTF... This is one of the most atrocious displays of logic I've seen in some time. Yoda was raising his hand to ABSORB or RE-DIRECT the lighting. JUST LIKE he raised his hand to absorb dooku's lighting and re-direct. Just like he raised his hand to counter Sids lighting the second time. That is him trying to avoid it.. that is him trying to tank it and absorb/re-direct it. He wasn't trying to avoid a single thing there. Do I need to post videos of what Yoda looks like when he's trying to avoid attacks?
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So you agree he was not fast enough to do so. He isn't fast enough to avoid it by jumping away but he should have moved before he fired it in the two second that preceded.
He DID move his hand noob. He moved it to block it. He just wasn't prepared for how powerful it was and he wasn't able to absorb it. He already admitted he moved his hand. This PROVES he wasn't trying to avoid it, but trying to absorb it.
Do you think trying to absorb it is the same thing and trying to avoid it? Do you think those things are the same thing.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNo, he didn't move it in time. Watch the scene again, noob. He was trying to avoid it by absorbing and redirecting. Tanking it is letting it hit his body without using an ability, kid.
He DID move his hand noob. He moved it to block it. He just wasn't prepared for how powerful it was and he wasn't able to absorb it. He already admitted he moved his hand. This PROVES he wasn't trying to avoid it, but trying to absorb it.Do you think trying to absorb it is the same thing and trying to avoid it? Do you think those things are the same thing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he didn't move it in time. Watch the scene again, noob. He was trying to avoid it by absorbing and redirecting. Tanking it is letting it hit his body without using an ability, kid.
He did move his hand in time... it just overpowered him. You said he moved his hand. Him moving his hand proves he wasn't trying to avoid it.
Again... do you think Avoiding and trying to absorb something are the same thing. The way you talk, it seems you do. You keep claiming Yoda tried to avoid it. Him avoiding stuff looks like him jumping around all over the place. You do realize THAT is Yoda ACTIVELY trying to avoid attacks right? Him standing there and trying to absorb it, isn't him trying to avoid it. If he was.. he'd simply flip out of the way. He tried no such thing. When somebody swings a saber at you.. it happens FAR faster than two seconds. Yet we see Yoda easily avoiding such attacks by flipping all over the place. So clearly he's fast enough to react to quicker than 2 second attacks... So if he didn't react to a much slower one.. that means he wasn't trying to avoid it. Which we see, as he raises his hand to absorb it.. not try and avoid it. Him avoiding an attack shows him MOVING. Him standing there ISN'T him trying to avoid anything. Do you know the difference between avoid and absorb?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIt didn't hit his hand, dummy.
He did move his hand in time... it just overpowered him. You said he moved his hand. Him moving his hand proves he wasn't trying to avoid it.Again... do you think Avoiding and trying to absorb something are the same thing. The way you talk, it seems you do. You keep claiming Yoda tried to avoid it. Him avoiding stuff looks like him jumping around all over the place. You do realize THAT is Yoda ACTIVELY trying to avoid attacks right? Him standing there and trying to absorb it, isn't him trying to avoid it. If he was.. he'd simply flip out of the way. He tried no such thing. When somebody swings a saber at you.. it happens FAR faster than two seconds. Yet we see Yoda easily avoiding such attacks by flipping all over the place. So clearly he's fast enough to react to quicker than 2 second attacks... So if he didn't react to a much slower one.. that means he wasn't trying to avoid it. Which we see, as he raises his hand to absorb it.. not try and avoid it. Him avoiding an attack shows him MOVING. Him standing there ISN'T him trying to avoid anything. Do you know the difference between avoid and absorb?
Using his abilities isn't the same thing as letting it hit him. You acted like using his ability is tanking it. It insta. He can't flip faster than fl. 😂
He can't even deflect it with his saber. Windu did. Khan kills him. Easily. Two seconds. Pathetic. Much easier and quicker to move your hand than to flip away.
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You're claiming he tried to avoid it... he did no such thing. He didn't even try and move away from it. THAT is avoiding it. Raising his hand... PROVES he wasn't trying to avoid it. He was trying to absorb it. He failed to do so. However, that doesn't mean he failed to avoid it.
Let me ask you this, so I can see you lie and dig yourself a deeper hole:
Are you claiming Yoda isn't fast enough to dodge a 2 second attack?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiAvoid it by using tutaminis. I've already said this multiple times. You can't ever follow along a simple discussion which shows your inability to think.
You're claiming he tried to avoid it... he did no such thing. He didn't even try and move away from it. THAT is avoiding it. Raising his hand... PROVES he wasn't trying to avoid it. He was trying to absorb it. He failed to do so. However, that doesn't mean he failed to avoid it.Let me ask you this, so I can see you lie and dig yourself a deeper hole:
Are you claiming Yoda isn't fast enough to dodge a 2 second attack?
I am saying he didn't in this instance. Evidence >>>your imagination.
That isn't him trying to avoid it, that is him trying to absorb it. Not the same thing. Avoiding and dodging are the same thing as absorbing. You can't claim somebody isn't fast enough to evade and attack when they don't even try and avoid it. Can't work that way.
Not what I ask you...
I'm asking you is Yoda incapable of dodging a 2 second attack? Not if he did or didn't in this instance. I'm asking you if Yoda isn't fast enough to dodge a 2 second attack. Period. Are you saying he can't?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiUsing that ability is avoiding the power of the attack. He tried to use the ability to avoid the brunt of the attack but his movement wasn't quick enough to use tutaminis.
That isn't him trying to avoid it, that is him trying to absorb it. Not the same thing. Avoiding and dodging are the same thing as absorbing. You can't claim somebody isn't fast enough to evade and attack when they don't even try and avoid it. Can't work that way.Not what I ask you...
I'm asking you is Yoda incapable of dodging a 2 second attack? Not if he did or didn't in this instance. I'm asking you if Yoda isn't fast enough to dodge a 2 second attack. Period. Are you saying he can't?
The evidence suggests he can be struck by an attack that took two seconds. My opinion is speculative and you're doing your best to avoid the indisputable evidence.