Originally posted by -Pr-I am citing the evidence of the films. You're the childish ones ignoring how these characters are portrayed.
lol, so you're just going to keep saying I'm doing something I'm not, because you're not man enough to have an adult discussion. Fair enough.When you want to have an actual discussion without twisting things, I should be here somewhere.
What did I twist ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am citing the evidence of the films. You're the childish ones ignoring how these characters are portrayed.What did I twist ?
You ask me what you twisted, while twisting stuff in your actual post.
You keep claiming I'm doing things I'm not, like powerset debating.
This isn't something new that you've done Quan; we both know you just want an argument and aren't actually interested in a proper debate.
lol @ calling us childish though, really. Projecting much?
Originally posted by -Pr-I cited the actual movies and the interactions of non force users to force users by the best. We see it doesn't pan out like you see it. That's all.
You ask me what you twisted, while twisting stuff in your actual post.You keep claiming I'm doing things I'm not, like powerset debating.
This isn't something new that you've done Quan; we both know you just want an argument and aren't actually interested in a proper debate.
lol @ calling us childish though, really. Projecting much?
Just say you disagree because I'm citing evidence not listing powers and ignoring their portrayals in the movies.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How so ?
Really?
First you say that Obi and Windu not using the force against Jango proves that Yoda can't use the force against a skilled opponent.
Then when it's pointed out that Dooku used the force against a skilled opponent and that Yoda would be able to as well, you claim that Dooku and Yoda are not the same and you can't swap feats.
Is the connection clear? To elaborate further, you are saying that we can't swap feats between force users (Dooku to Yoda), while you yourself are swapping feats between force users (Obi/Windu to Yoda.) For one, it's hypocritical. For two, it's dishonest.
It is time to reach a consensus.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was firing at different threats while dual wielding the guns. Why fire two guns if one takes out the threat. You really don't make any sense. Khan destroyed those he faced.Yoda fled. He went and hid. He also hid on a Wookie like a weak little koala bear. Yoda died and others stopped Palpatine. Not him since he had the chance and failed like against Dooku.
For the last three rounds, you have done nothing but repeat yourself, quan. This can only lead me to to believe that you have no new evidence to offer for consideration, and I have rebutted each point.
So I, XanatosForever, formally invite everyone to follow the quote trail, and see my debate with quanchi112 on the subject of which character would be defeated in combat with each other: Yoda from the Star Wars movie franchise, or Khan Noonien Singh, from the series reboot film Star Trek: Into Darkness. Of note is the setting and placement of these character, as established by thread starter quanchi112, which takes place within the Senate auditorium (the pod room), and has both characters placed fifty feet away from each other.
My final stance on the subject: Yoda would defeat Khan in battle post-haste, closing the distance to him with a single leap and taking his head off with a swipe of his lightsaber. His connection with the Force and his skill with his weapon are too great for Khan to overcome.
tl;dr Yoda and Khan in the Senate room 50 ft. apart. Yoda takes his head off.
All agreed, quote this post and say aye.
All opposed, quote and say nay.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see tk used against Jango and at no point is it used as this easy win over Jango which supports my views on it. Obi and Windu relied on their powers overall and the weapons they could grab ahold of to take on Jango. Your basis for tk winning is in your heads it isn't in the movies against skilled opponents such as Jango.
You're saying that because Windu didn't TK Jango immediately, he can't do so. Even though this is a fallacy of the highest order and contrary to common sense.
By this logic, Khan didn't take over the Vengeance solo; he can't do so and therefore could never take on Yoda.
Again, TK is explicitly only able to be blocked by other Force users of higher power. i.e. Other Force users. You have not demonstrated at all how Khan could defend against TK, because there is no such defense, and your dancing around the issue is admission of guilt.
I never said Yoda can't use tk or that Khan is immune I said if he does push him which he is likely to do it won't get him very far since it failed to ko a geriatric. This happened in the movie. Palpatine isn't strong body wise nor does he have the cell generation Khan has.
This thinking shows a clear absence of fact-checking; Force users augment their strength, agility, and endurance through the Force. This is explicitly discussed during Luke's training in ESB, by Yoda no less. Yoda notes that he is able to push his frail body forward because he uses the Force to do things he could never normally do.
'Frailty' means nothing in the SW mythos to Jedi and Sith because the most dangerous Force users are the eldest. Your argument does not hold water.
Again, no defense can Khan must for TK. You lose. Stop dancing around it and admit defeat.
Yoda will be on his toes just trying to survive the onslaught of rapid laser fire which he will perish too. Too much and too powerful for Yoda to contend with.Khan wins.
No, Khan hasn't been shown to shoot better than war droids (who fire faster, I might add) and Yoda can take out legions of those. Hell, if you take his TCW feats into consideration, Khan would be lucky to hold his gun for a second. Yoda could TK the weapon out of his hands, crush it into dust, or you know, ragdoll him into orbit.
Khan loses, hard.
Your debate has been crushed. QED.
Re: It is time to reach a consensus.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
For the last three rounds, you have done nothing but repeat yourself, quan. This can only lead me to to believe that you have no new evidence to offer for consideration, and I have rebutted each point.So I, XanatosForever, formally invite everyone to follow the quote trail, and see my debate with quanchi112 on the subject of which character would be defeated in combat with each other: Yoda from the Star Wars movie franchise, or Khan Noonien Singh, from the series reboot film Star Trek: Into Darkness. Of note is the setting and placement of these character, as established by thread starter quanchi112, which takes place within the Senate auditorium (the pod room), and has both characters placed fifty feet away from each other.
My final stance on the subject: Yoda would defeat Khan in battle post-haste, closing the distance to him with a single leap and taking his head off with a swipe of his lightsaber. His connection with the Force and his skill with his weapon are too great for Khan to overcome.
tl;dr Yoda and Khan in the Senate room 50 ft. apart. Yoda takes his head off.
All agreed, quote this post and say aye.
All opposed, quote and say nay.
Aye.
Re: It is time to reach a consensus.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
For the last three rounds, you have done nothing but repeat yourself, quan. This can only lead me to to believe that you have no new evidence to offer for consideration, and I have rebutted each point.So I, XanatosForever, formally invite everyone to follow the quote trail, and see my debate with quanchi112 on the subject of which character would be defeated in combat with each other: Yoda from the Star Wars movie franchise, or Khan Noonien Singh, from the series reboot film Star Trek: Into Darkness. Of note is the setting and placement of these character, as established by thread starter quanchi112, which takes place within the Senate auditorium (the pod room), and has both characters placed fifty feet away from each other.
My final stance on the subject: Yoda would defeat Khan in battle post-haste, closing the distance to him with a single leap and taking his head off with a swipe of his lightsaber. His connection with the Force and his skill with his weapon are too great for Khan to overcome.
tl;dr Yoda and Khan in the Senate room 50 ft. apart. Yoda takes his head off.
All agreed, quote this post and say aye.
All opposed, quote and say nay.
And I say thee aye.
Re: It is time to reach a consensus.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
For the last three rounds, you have done nothing but repeat yourself, quan. This can only lead me to to believe that you have no new evidence to offer for consideration, and I have rebutted each point.So I, XanatosForever, formally invite everyone to follow the quote trail, and see my debate with quanchi112 on the subject of which character would be defeated in combat with each other: Yoda from the Star Wars movie franchise, or Khan Noonien Singh, from the series reboot film Star Trek: Into Darkness. Of note is the setting and placement of these character, as established by thread starter quanchi112, which takes place within the Senate auditorium (the pod room), and has both characters placed fifty feet away from each other.
My final stance on the subject: Yoda would defeat Khan in battle post-haste, closing the distance to him with a single leap and taking his head off with a swipe of his lightsaber. His connection with the Force and his skill with his weapon are too great for Khan to overcome.
tl;dr Yoda and Khan in the Senate room 50 ft. apart. Yoda takes his head off.
All agreed, quote this post and say aye.
All opposed, quote and say nay.
Aye.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverAye.
For the last three rounds, you have done nothing but repeat yourself, quan. This can only lead me to to believe that you have no new evidence to offer for consideration, and I have rebutted each point.So I, XanatosForever, formally invite everyone to follow the quote trail, and see my debate with quanchi112 on the subject of which character would be defeated in combat with each other: Yoda from the Star Wars movie franchise, or Khan Noonien Singh, from the series reboot film Star Trek: Into Darkness. Of note is the setting and placement of these character, as established by thread starter quanchi112, which takes place within the Senate auditorium (the pod room), and has both characters placed fifty feet away from each other.
My final stance on the subject: Yoda would defeat Khan in battle post-haste, closing the distance to him with a single leap and taking his head off with a swipe of his lightsaber. His connection with the Force and his skill with his weapon are too great for Khan to overcome.
tl;dr Yoda and Khan in the Senate room 50 ft. apart. Yoda takes his head off.
All agreed, quote this post and say aye.
All opposed, quote and say nay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQpZU1gOCy0&feature=youtu.be&t=6m53s
Khan vs. The Man Who Can't Be Shot.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Falling to his defeat on the floor is being beaten. He was not killed but he lost. Yoda failed and he himself knew it.Khan would maul the geriatric. He's a one man army whereas Palpatine is not.
No, they would not. You are ignoring the comparisons of Jango Fett and how he interacted against the Jedi.
Khan slaughters them with his weaponry. Not even close.
..............My God, youre an idiot.
