Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't work that way. If it were that easy Windu wouldn't need to jump away and block lasers if it were easy to just tk skilled opponents into defeat.Yoda uses a cane. He is weak as they come.
They have telekinesis. They can use it on enemies successfully. These are actual facts. Non-debatable facts. Them using it more impressively in the TCW doesn't negate its existence, it's just used at a higher level. You're using the kind of logic you know doesn't fly, just because it supports your side of the argument.
Can isn't the same as will.
No, he really isn't, considering the power he wields.
Originally posted by -Pr-False. We have highly trained warriors such as Jango taking on Obi and Windu. We see Obi use it but not to easily defeat Jango. Its a tool they can use but not in the manner in which you describe is make believe. I give actual examples but you want to ignore them.
They have telekinesis. They can use it on enemies successfully. These are actual facts. Non-debatable facts. Them using it more impressively in the TCW doesn't negate its existence, it's just used at a higher level. You're using the kind of logic you know doesn't fly, just because it supports your side of the argument.Can isn't the same as will.
No, he really isn't, considering the power he wields.
Khan is superior to Jango, wields more powerful weaponry, is stronger, faster, and is greater therefore he beats Yoda. Simple.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't know what khan was aiming at. THats the point.
It does not matter what he was aiming at, if he does not hit the target with the actual fired shot, then it is a miss.
Originally posted by quanchi112
False. We have highly trained warriors such as Jango taking on Obi and Windu. We see Obi use it but not to easily defeat Jango. Its a tool they can use but not in the manner in which you describe is make believe. I give actual examples but you want to ignore them.
Incorrect assessment of the fact that the TKL exists and unlike then movies, vs debates are not restricted by plot. Yoda throws multi tonne senate pods. Kahn being pinned down or thrown around by several tonnes worth of force is not something he is going to withstand. unless you think Spock is throwing multi-tonne PSI level punches.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan is superior to Jango, wields more powerful weaponry, is stronger, faster, and is greater therefore he beats Yoda. Simple.
Except Jango never defeated Yoda. Your comparison fails.
Originally posted by quanchi112
False. We have highly trained warriors such as Jango taking on Obi and Windu. We see Obi use it but not to easily defeat Jango. Its a tool they can use but not in the manner in which you describe is make believe. I give actual examples but you want to ignore them.Khan is superior to Jango, wields more powerful weaponry, is stronger, faster, and is greater therefore he beats Yoda. Simple.
I get that you want to start something, but don't presume to try; you're wasting your time, especially when you'll so blatantly ignore shit and then accuse others of doing so. Jedi have telekinesis. It can and has worked against their enemies. You can't deny this.
ABC logic (badly done at that) really flies on this forum? Even you should know better.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroIt does matter what he was aiming at. That's the point.
It does not matter what he was aiming at, if he does not hit the target with the actual fired shot, then it is a miss.Incorrect assessment of the fact that the TKL exists and unlike then movies, vs debates are not restricted by plot. Yoda throws multi tonne senate pods. Kahn being pinned down or thrown around by several tonnes worth of force is not something he is going to withstand. unless you think Spock is throwing multi-tonne PSI level punches.
Except Jango never defeated Yoda. Your comparison fails.
He throws them when they are thrown at him. Just like Dooku tosses objects and he has to block them first as it is out of character for him to react otherwise.
Jango showed or proved they have to block blasts therefore when Khan starts firing it is game over really fast. Supported. Undeniable. Flawless.
Originally posted by -Pr-I am citing the movies as proof whereas you are powerset arguing ignoring the comparisons in the movies. Don't ignore facts.
I get that you want to start something, but don't presume to try; you're wasting your time, especially when you'll so blatantly ignore shit and then accuse others of doing so. Jedi have telekinesis. It can and has worked against their enemies. You can't deny this.ABC logic (badly done at that) really flies on this forum? Even you should know better.
Khan wins. Accept it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It does matter what he was aiming at. That's the point.
No, the point is, the fired shot hit nothing at all. It hit no viable targets. That, by definition is not accurate, no matter what you say.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He throws them when they are thrown at him. Just like Dooku tosses objects and he has to block them first as it is out of character for him to react otherwise.
Ah, I see, CIS and PIS are still active for the opposition, but Khan is gonna be opening fire right from the get go yeah? out of character for him to do that too.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Jango showed or proved they have to block blasts therefore when Khan starts firing it is game over really fast. Supported. Undeniable. Flawless.
Assumption. Big time.
And now, Quanchii's level of density is approaching black hole-levels.
So without directly answering how Khan is going to deal with TK, you know, the same invisible force used to throw things the size of buses and/or cars, he instead derides the enemies of his unhealthy obsessionfavorite character and pretends he has victory on his side.
Let me try to funnel him into a more precise method of honesty:
Khanchi, answer objectively, and with one hand out of pants, preferably both on keyboard:
Has Khan ever demonstrated the ability, in-movie, to resist an invisible pervading Force that can move, influence, and constrict things anywhere in the universe?
Has Khan ever demonstrated the ability to shoot through lightsabers which are routinely used to deflect projectile attacks within nanoseconds?
Has Khan ever demonstrated the ability to do anything but beat up Kirk and some old people, and then get his ass handed to him by Spahck?
The above are Y/N style questions, and any embellishments on your part or refusal to answer is accepted as a concession of defeat and a conclusion to this sad abortion that is a debate. And then Yoda wins.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroIf he hit the ground to take two guys down to the ground to later shoot them then he is accurate.
No, the point is, the fired shot hit nothing at all. It hit no viable targets. That, by definition is not accurate, no matter what you say.Ah, I see, CIS and PIS are still active for the opposition, but Khan is gonna be opening fire right from the get go yeah? out of character for him to do that too.
Assumption. Big time.
He opened fire right from the get go against the Klingons. You didn't even watch the movie. Shame on you.
I base my opinion on evidence. You clearly don't.
Originally posted by Stealth MooseWe see tk used against Jango and at no point is it used as this easy win over Jango which supports my views on it. Obi and Windu relied on their powers overall and the weapons they could grab ahold of to take on Jango. Your basis for tk winning is in your heads it isn't in the movies against skilled opponents such as Jango.
And now, Quanchii's level of density is approaching black hole-levels.So without directly answering how Khan is going to deal with TK, you know, the same invisible force used to throw things the size of buses and/or cars, he instead derides the enemies of his
unhealthy obsessionfavorite character and pretends he has victory on his side.Let me try to funnel him into a more precise method of honesty:
Khanchi, answer objectively, and with one hand out of pants, preferably both on keyboard:
Has Khan ever demonstrated the ability, in-movie, to resist an invisible pervading Force that can move, influence, and constrict things anywhere in the universe?
Has Khan ever demonstrated the ability to shoot through lightsabers which are routinely used to deflect projectile attacks within nanoseconds?
Has Khan ever demonstrated the ability to do anything but beat up Kirk and some old people, and then get his ass handed to him by Spahck?
The above are Y/N style questions, and any embellishments on your part or refusal to answer is accepted as a concession of defeat and a conclusion to this sad abortion that is a debate. And then Yoda wins.
I never said Yoda can't use tk or that Khan is immune I said if he does push him which he is likely to do it won't get him very far since it failed to ko a geriatric. This happened in the movie. Palpatine isn't strong body wise nor does he have the cell generation Khan has.
Yoda will be on his toes just trying to survive the onslaught of rapid laser fire which he will perish too. Too much and too powerful for Yoda to contend with.
Khan wins.
Originally posted by KingD19Dooku also failed to do so against Anakin. Yoda and Dooku are not the same. You can't swamp feats due to bias. He ko'd him by tossing him into something that wouldn't ko Khan anyways. He also did so in a hand to hand fight with sabers not against someone with dual guns and blasts coming at him. The moment he stops to tk he dies.
Dooku's tk lifted Obi off the floor against his will, held him immobile, then launched him clear across a room hard enough to dent metal and insta ko him. and Yoda is stronger than that.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
I am citing the movies as proof whereas you are powerset arguing ignoring the comparisons in the movies. Don't ignore facts.Khan wins. Accept it.
lol, so you're just going to keep saying I'm doing something I'm not, because you're not man enough to have an adult discussion. Fair enough.
When you want to have an actual discussion without twisting things, I should be here somewhere.
