Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That's probably because your MO has not changed in 3 years since you first went up against me Quan. Not once ever have you posted a shred of evidence in any measurable fashion in any debate you have ever had that I have born witness to. You insult, you flame, you troll, and you ignore valid points from the opposition, deciding instead to cherrypick anything you can that you can twist to suit your own interpretation. You've done it in this thread dozens of times, and hundreds ore in intermitted threads al through KMC.

Now, as for this debate, my stance has not changed, Khan has no defence against the Force and it's various abilities. He is not as strong, nor as agile or as fast as Yoda, Yoda does not have to physically touch Khan to hurt him,/throw off his aim,/ or immobilise, his weapons can be deflected by the saber, and last but not least, Khan has no way to counter the lightsaber in close combat.

It doesn't work that way. In direct conflict with skilled opponents the Jedi needed to concentrate on being attacked not easily tking away their weapons. Windu is Yoda's superior and he needed to jump away from Jango and close the distance when his jet pack failed him to defeat him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda is someone who isn't strong at all. He needs a cane to walk. Khan is a physical specimen trained in hand to hand combat. Yoda's only strengths are his force abilities and that of his saber. He has no strength only powers due to the force.

Except for when he actually fights, or did you conveniently forget that fact?

Ah, and once more, another unprovable claim. Prove that Khan's training stacks at all against that of the jedi plus 900 years experience. The force is used to strengthen ones physical attributes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't work that way. In direct conflict with skilled opponents the Jedi needed to concentrate on being attacked not easily tking away their weapons. Windu is Yoda's superior and he needed to jump away from Jango and close the distance when his jet pack failed him to defeat him.

Except Windu is not Yoda, and Yoda is the head of the Order for a reason Quan. Khan is not Jango either, so your comparative holds no water. You don't like it when the table turns and people start ripping feats from force users, don't be a hypocrite and do it yourself.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Except for when he actually fights, or did you conveniently forget that fact?

Ah, and once more, another unprovable claim. Prove that Khan's training stacks at all against that of the jedi plus 900 years experience. The force is used to strengthen ones physical attributes.

Except Windu is not Yoda, and Yoda is the head of the Order for a reason Quan. Khan is not Jango either, so your comparative holds no water. You don't like it when the table turns and people start ripping feats from force users, don't be a hypocrite and do it yourself.

The force is used so he has crappy physical attributes and needs a cane minus it. Just like I stated.

I agree. Windu actually defeated Palpatine whereas Yoda was ko'd and fled like the failure he is. Khan is greater than Jango. I agree. He is stronger, more skilled, greater firepower, and greater feats.

The Yoda most debate for in here doesn't exist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I posted a clip of him fighting with a Jedi against a small number of clones. He stood by and blocked attacks. He wasn't zipping all around like in a light saber fight due to needing to focus on the incoming quicker blasts.

Except for when he decapitated 2 clones his back was turned to, or when he was felling several clones at the temple, including a saber throw right through the armour and through the heart.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The force is used so he has crappy physical attributes and needs a cane minus it. Just like I stated.

Except you still forget that Yoda will use the force in a fight, this is no exception. Why, you think the force amp is not enough for him to overcome Khan? Please prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree. Windu actually defeated Palpatine whereas Yoda was ko'd and fled like the failure he is. Khan is greater than Jango. I agree. He is stronger, more skilled, greater firepower, and greater feats.

Incorrect, Your supposition dictates terms rather than outlays a point. Jango had far more versatile weapons, and had flight, plus he has much experience and skill in dealing with Jedi. Khan has none of that. The Yoda vs Palps became a battle of the force powers rather than a saber duel, And because Palps is considerably stronger than Yoda in the force, and Yoda was disarmed, things turned against him. Khan has no force powers or any other superhuman powers to accomplish what palps did, so your comparative is flawed and thus discarded.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Yoda most debate for in here doesn't exist.

I didn't think you could go one day without the hypocritical bullshit, the above is proof. You are no debator.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Except for when he decapitated 2 clones his back was turned to, or when he was felling several clones at the temple, including a saber throw right through the armour and through the heart.

Except you still forget that Yoda will use the force in a fight, this is no exception. Why, you think the force amp is not enough for him to overcome Khan? Please prove it.

Incorrect, Your supposition dictates terms rather than outlays a point. Jango had far more versatile weapons, and had flight, plus he has much experience and skill in dealing with Jedi. Khan has none of that. The Yoda vs Palps became a battle of the force powers rather than a saber duel, And because Palps is considerably stronger than Yoda in the force, and Yoda was disarmed, things turned against him. Khan has no force powers or any other superhuman powers to accomplish what palps did, so your comparative is flawed and thus discarded.

I didn't think you could go one day without the hypocritical bullshit, the above is proof. You are no debator.

It isn't enough just like it was not enough for Obi to defeat Jango. He was in a fisticuffs brawl. This imaginary force win is a biased posters wet dream. We have already seen it enough in the Star Wars users against weaker characters. Highly skilled opponents are a problem for Jedi.

Jango did have a wider array of weapons but he was less effective with them. He missed against Obi. Obi was saber less and Jango failed to beat him. Khan is physically on another level than Jango. He also recovers faster, can jump farther, and is more combat savy IMO.

Palps wasn't stronger in the force department. Yoda was able to reflect if back into the both of them but due to Yoda's girlish frame he went off the pod while Palpatine remained on it.

Palpatine was disarmed prior to and he still gained the higher ground and had Yoda on the defensive. Khan has guns and blasts which are of greater offensive power than Palpatine's force lightning. There is a reason we never see Yoda defect or repel laser blasts with his hands. He simply cannot. We also see him disarmed. Khan's accuracy coupled with his offensive firepower is too much of an advantage for Yoda to overcome.

It is debater with an e not an o. I have debunked your claims. Learn to spell words you have used for years. I honestly pity you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he killed two unsuspecting clones. Well done, Yoda.

Except they were in the process of executing Order 66, or once again you have conveniently forgotten facts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't enough just like it was not enough for Obi to defeat Jango. He was in a fisticuffs brawl. This imaginary force win is a biased posters wet dream. We have already seen it enough in the Star Wars users against weaker characters. Highly skilled opponents are a problem for Jedi.

Yoda is not Obi, and once again Jango is not Khan! Quit derailing and get back to the actual topic at hand. Every non-force user Yoda has fought onscreen has been crushed. Deal with it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jango did have a wider array of weapons but he was less effective with them. He missed against Obi. Obi was saber less and Jango failed to beat him. Khan is physically on another level than Jango. He also recovers faster, can jump farther, and is more combat savy IMO.

And yet other than the skull crush, you have no way of backing any of that horridly self serving stack of claims up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Palps wasn't stronger in the force department. Yoda was able to reflect if back into the both of them but due to Yoda's girlish frame he went off the pod while Palpatine remained on it.

Bullshit. Yoda was on the edge of the pod as it was when that shockwave occurred. Context, you should look it up sometime. Also, bullshit on the Palpatine thing being weaker in the force. The only thing Yoda had over Palps was experience.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Palpatine was disarmed prior to and he still gained the higher ground and had Yoda on the defensive. Khan has guns and blasts which are of greater offensive power than Palpatine's force lightning. There is a reason we never see Yoda defect or repel laser blasts with his hands. He simply cannot. We also see him disarmed. Khan's accuracy coupled with his offensive firepower is too much of an advantage for Yoda to overcome.

Yeah, because chucking Senate pods from on high is totally to Yoda's advantage in Melee, oh wait...

Bullshit unprovable claim that requires one to think that Khan will get an accurate shot on someone with precog and much faster demonstrated movement speed plus a weapon with a proven track record of being able to reflect energy weapons fire...

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is debater with an e not an o. I have debunked your claims. Learn to spell words you have used for years. I honestly pity you.

I did that intentionally as an ironic nod to you, Mr Loves Alone IPad malfunction. Shame that the only thing you have is to try and play spelling nazi.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Except they were in the process of executing Order 66, or once again you have conveniently forgotten facts.

Yoda is not Obi, and once again Jango is not Khan! Quit derailing and get back to the actual topic at hand. Every non-force user Yoda has fought onscreen has been crushed. Deal with it.

And yet other than the skull crush, you have no way of backing any of that horridly self serving stack of claims up.

Bullshit. Yoda was on the edge of the pod as it was when that shockwave occurred. Context, you should look it up sometime. Also, bullshit on the Palpatine thing being weaker in the force. The only thing Yoda had over Palps was experience.

Yeah, because chucking Senate pods from on high is totally to Yoda's advantage in Melee, oh wait...

Bullshit unprovable claim that requires one to think that Khan will get an accurate shot on someone with precog and much faster demonstrated movement speed plus a weapon with a proven track record of being able to reflect energy weapons fire...

I did that intentionally as an ironic nod to you, Mr Loves Alone IPad malfunction. Shame that the only thing you have is to try and play spelling nazi.

Jedis have the same abilities so its a fair comparison. I have also given examples of Yoda. You can ignore it all as you have been. Continue to live in your own fantasy world it is what you do best.

Yoda had Obi at his side when he fought a small number on PURPOSE. He did that for a REASON.

I have the skull crush and how far he can jump. It's also stated he's far superior. We also see him knock his opponents back over 20 feet while in combat. There are multiple examples. Watch the film.

They were equal in the force. Yoda has a smaller framer therefore he went off whereas Palpatine did not. If Palpatine were superior he wouldn't have been able to palm his blast and reflect it back. Look at Palpatine's face when he palms it back. Pure fright.
😂

Yoda had precog when Palpatine slowly raised his hand and ko'd him. Another fanboy claim. Precog. Bullshit. Watch the film.

No, you did not. You're not intelligent. At all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know. Order 66 gave them the false impression they had the element of surprise which let their guard down.

Pfft! And you have no proof of this bullshit supposition either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jedis have the same abilities so its a fair comparison. I have also given examples of Yoda. You can ignore it all as you have been. Continue to live in your own fantasy world it is what you do best.

No, not even close. You've left out context several times and continue to spout nonsense without proof.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda had Obi at his side when he fought a small number on PURPOSE. He did that for a REASON.

Because they were the last 2 Jedi known at the time to survive 66, you clown.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have the skull crush and how far he can jump. It's also stated he's far superior. We also see him knock his opponents back over 20 feet while in combat. There are multiple examples. Watch the film.

It's stated, but that is not quantifiable, and very easily can lead straight into hyperbole. I own the film Jackass.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were equal in the force. Yoda has a smaller framer therefore he went off whereas Palpatine did not. If Palpatine were superior he wouldn't have been able to palm his blast and reflect it back. Look at Palpatine's face when he palms it back. Pure fright.
😂

Aaaand yet Palpatine is able to affect the Force on a GALACTIC Scale. As for that look, it was shock, not fear.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda had precog when Palpatine slowly raised his hand and ko'd him. Another fanboy claim. Precog. Bullshit. Watch the film.

You obviously can't follow your own advice. Palapatine, the source of the Darkside shroud that Windu and Yoda spoke of earlier, and also Qui Gon already took a shart on your claim all the way back in TPM, when he describes an innate Jedi trait, Jedi see things before they happen, hence their enhanced reflexes, ergo: Precognition. Palpatine's power was affecting the precog of all the Jedi galaxy wide.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you did not. You're not intelligent. At all.

Yup, because YOU can read minds, or you are simply desperately grasping for straws. I would say #2 is accurate.

As for intelligence, HA! that's cute, considering you never ever provide evidence! Even your Megatron vs Dorf thread, the only evidence provided for Megs in any measurable way, was provided by myself because you are completely inept.

Disney is making ALL SW Canon just ONE Canon going forward:

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-bits-star-wars-canon-to-be-unified-plus-rebels-character-names-tupac-and-katee-sackhoff/

So that's how it's going to be post-Lucas.

Under Lucas The Clone Wars was already part of "his" Universe.

So whichever way you look at it, the Star Wars animations are all canon to the movies. Always have been, always will be.

Yoda wins via The Force .-.

Nah, Yoda completely stomps in a practical non-fight via the Force or his Saber.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nah, Yoda completely stomps in a practical non-fight via the Force or his Saber.

Yoda wins

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's easy man because of how superior Yoda is in virtually every way....

He can easily mindrape Kahn and make him do whatever he wants. Even if you exclude EU material.. there is still a documented history of mindrape by people far inferior in the force than Yoda. So why on earth would Yoda not be able to do the same.. he would. Thus, show me Kahn resisting TP

Next we have him just throwing Kahn around like a ragdoll.. He's thrown around Palps with ease... Thrown back a senate pod against gravity and Palps TK sending it at him... Stop a ceiling from falling on him.. Stopped a HUGE pillar from falling on Kenobi and Anakin. Finally lifted up an x-wing from a swamp and moved it to dry land. What does all this mean.. He will be able to throw around Kahn with absolute ease.

We've talking about somebody with Pre-Cog here.. somebody that will knew what Kahn has planned or going to shoot... we're talking about somebody faster than Kahn.. thus he'll be able to react to anything Kahn does. he's avoided blaster fire before as we've seen when the executive order to kill the jedi first came down. We've seen Jinn... Anakin.. Obi.. mace and numerous other jedi during the whole gladiator style stadium fight where people WELL below yoda were blocking blaster fire from droids... If they can do yoda would do it with EASE. So Kahn isn't just going to blast yoda.

There is pretty much nothing Kahn could do to beat Yoda. like nothing.

Again Quan

Khan has no chance here.

Why are people falling for this blatant trolling? Yoda rofl-stomps so hard it's not even funny.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Disney is making ALL SW Canon just ONE Canon going forward:

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-bits-star-wars-canon-to-be-unified-plus-rebels-character-names-tupac-and-katee-sackhoff/

So that's how it's going to be post-Lucas.

Under Lucas The Clone Wars was already part of "his" Universe.

So whichever way you look at it, the Star Wars animations are all canon to the movies. Always have been, always will be.

Khan wins.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Pfft! And you have no proof of this bullshit supposition either.

No, not even close. You've left out context several times and continue to spout nonsense without proof.

Because they were the last 2 Jedi known at the time to survive 66, you clown.

It's stated, but that is not quantifiable, and very easily can lead straight into hyperbole. I own the film Jackass.

Aaaand yet Palpatine is able to affect the Force on a GALACTIC Scale. As for that look, it was shock, not fear.

You obviously can't follow your own advice. Palapatine, the source of the Darkside shroud that Windu and Yoda spoke of earlier, and also Qui Gon already took a shart on your claim all the way back in TPM, when he describes an innate Jedi trait, Jedi see things before they happen, hence their enhanced reflexes, ergo: Precognition. Palpatine's power was affecting the precog of all the Jedi galaxy wide.

Yup, because YOU can read minds, or you are simply desperately grasping for straws. I would say #2 is accurate.

As for intelligence, HA! that's cute, considering you never ever provide evidence! Even your Megatron vs Dorf thread, the only evidence provided for Megs in any measurable way, was provided by myself because you are completely inept.

I gave valid examples and supported my reasoning. 🙂

Yoda said they only had once chance when their numbers were dwindled. Small unimpressive force.

Yes, it is but I don't care to figure it out. Impressive me thinks.

Palpatine for all his bluster never killed anyone with his force lightning on its own. Ko'd Yoda though. Shock, fear and pain.

Yoda still has precog. By your logic precog doesn't work which is ridiculous. Never once was this stated or alluded to. Kept his identity a secret is all.

Khan wins.

You waited a whole month to post the same exact drivel that has already been shot down? doh

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is the correct interpretation of the scene, Yoda caught them Off guard.

No, because again your point of view is subjective and vague as f**k. You made a gigantic assumption with no substance to back it up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I gave valid examples and supported my reasoning. 🙂

No, you didn't. And all the examples you did provide work against you because of the context you keep failing to address.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda said they only had once chance when their numbers were dwindled. Small unimpressive force.

So, you agreed with me. Excellent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it is but I don't care to figure it out. Impressive me thinks.

Then it is not evidence, because its too subjective, vague and open to interpretation. Your hyperbolic statement is not evidence.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Palpatine for all his bluster never killed anyone with his force lightning on its own. Ko'd Yoda though. Shock, fear and pain.

Wrong, he killed Vader. And so f**king what anyway?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda still has precog. By your logic precog doesn't work which is ridiculous. Never once was this stated or alluded to. Kept his identity a secret is all.

Khan wins.

What? 😕

Are you ****ing serious right now? Yoda's own words "The Dark Side clouds everything". I'm sorry, but his words trump your suppositions.