Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
There is no distance from Yoda's POV using, and being one with the force. Please watch The Empire Strikes Back for more information on this before embarrassing yourself further by asking more silly questions like that one.. Also the speed that Yoda moves at in battle is fast enough.

No, it is not considering the skill and über weaponry Khan brings to the fight. The difference is when Khan hits Yoda he dies. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
You will continue to try.

Failure to answer, 1 point for me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit with the insults. You are clearly taking this too personally. It's rather humorous but try to stay on point. Yoda can force push him but it did not ko Palpatine whose body is nowhere near as strong or resilient as Khan's.

Failure to answer & relying on faulty logic of "Palps is weak human with no force reinforcement or amperage = weaker than Khan who has no feats besides phasers" 3 points for me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Continue to whimper away while crying. Only hurts you.

And playing the "no U" game... again.

4 points out of 4 for me, 0 points for you. You still lose.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Failure to answer, 1 point for me.

Failure to answer & relying on faulty logic of "Palps is weak human with no force reinforcement or amperage = weaker than Khan who has no feats besides phasers" 3 points for me.

And playing the "no U" game... again.

4 points out of 4 for me, 0 points for you. You still lose.

That is not faulty logic as that is a clear example of the force being used on a weaker body.

His cells have superior regeneration and he resisted 7-8 blasts which is superior than one force push.

You can continue to make up points and deny the examples I have commented on. Movies back me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It did not ko Palpatine a much weaker character so how does it ko Khan Noonien Singh ?

No, it is not considering the skill and über weaponry Khan brings to the fight. The difference is when Khan hits Yoda he dies. 🙂

Too small and fast a target. And that target will be able see what Khan would do before Khan thinks it.

Khan diced.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I answered you to one point for me.

No, you didn't, you answered your imaginary argument you think I made, not the argument I actually made in reality.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is not faulty logic as that is a clear example of the force being used on a weaker body.

It was USED on SIDEOUS Who is even MORE POWERFUL in the FORCE, than YODA IS, and the FORCE AMP is ALWAYS ON. This is not a contestable point Quan, it's not debatable, normal humans who cop force pushes, including mechanical robots DON'T usually get back up. F@cking LEARN and BE TOLD about what is for once in your life instead of rambling and raving about the imaginary words in your brain.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His cells have superior regeneration and he resisted 7-8 blasts which is superior than one force push.

You have no evidence of this comparison either. And a force push can be applied continually via force grip, it doesn't have to kill, or even hurt khan to win Yoda the match, it simply has to immobilise and keep khan still. Once Yoda walks over and ignites the saber, Khan loses abysmally.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can continue to make up points and deny the examples I have commented on. Movies back me.

No, the movies back ONLY one set of applications. You want to pretend that it is imaginary, but you fail to grasp common sense in that if Yoda can catch, lift and throw a multi tonne steel deck, there is literally nothing stopping Yoda from doing the same thing to Khan's body and weapon, NOTHING. You want to play the "We never see thus he never can" card, but it is utterly a bullshit card that is only ever played by whining biased fanboys.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Khan Noonien Singh is made of all the same stuff that the rest of the universe is made of. ('No difference between air, earth rock trees' 'unified field theory' etc) Yoda is one with the force and can manipulate it.
Yoda>>>>>>>>>Khan.

Too small and fast a target. And that target will be able see what Khan would do before Khan thinks it.

Khan diced.

Based on what ? We don't see him move that fast. Khan takes down multiple opponents with ease all moving on him. This is one target. Easy Peezy.

They "rely own" lol

We aren't talking Obi-Wan.

You need to watch Revenge of the Sith.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, you didn't, you answered your imaginary argument you think I made, not the argument I actually made in reality.

It was USED on SIDEOUS Who is even MORE POWERFUL in the FORCE, than YODA IS, and the FORCE AMP is ALWAYS ON. This is not a contestable point Quan, it's not debatable, normal humans who cop force pushes, including mechanical robots DON'T usually get back up. F@cking LEARN and BE TOLD about what is for once in your life instead of rambling and raving about the imaginary words in your brain.

You have no evidence of this comparison either. And a force push can be applied continually via force grip, it doesn't have to kill, or even hurt khan to win Yoda the match, it simply has to immobilise and keep khan still. Once Yoda walks over and ignites the saber, Khan loses abysmally.

No, the movies back ONLY one set of applications. You want to pretend that it is imaginary, but you fail to grasp common sense in that if Yoda can catch, lift and throw a multi tonne steel deck, there is literally nothing stopping Yoda from doing the same thing to Khan's body and weapon, NOTHING. You want to play the "We never see thus he never can" card, but it is utterly a bullshit card that is only ever played by whining biased fanboys.

No, it isn't. If you feel force amp is always on prove it. We see lasers clearly cut them down in the Order 66. They died just as easily as anyone force or not would be killed had they been struck by it. Prove it. Why didn't Obi use force push against Jango ? I mean you are saying force>>>>>>all non force users despite that not being the case. You made a claim now prove it.

When has Yoda done so in combat ? You keep making up feats.

No, I want to argue based on what they do in character not when their power sets do in my mind.

I debate based on what we see not what my mind can dream up. That is you not I.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They "rely own" lol

We aren't talking Obi-Wan.

You need to watch Revenge of the Sith.

Khan guns him down. One target who cannot block his über guns.

You've cited no logic.

Incorrect. Those guns will likely be force turned around on Khan.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You've cited no logic.

Incorrect. Those guns will likely be force turned around on Khan.

When has Yoda done so ? Or is this you making stuff up again ?

Did Windu easily do this against Jango ?

I am going to destroy this myth in my battlezone.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that is incorrect as are most of your points.

And you keep spinning your wheel, repeating your same shot down bullshit over and over and over and over... ect ad nauseum. You have not rebutted a single point, you have not made a point that was not immediately shot down with delicious ridicule.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. If you feel force amp is always on prove it. We see lasers clearly cut them down in the Order 66. They died just as easily as anyone force or not would be killed had they been struck by it. Prove it. Why didn't Obi use force push against Jango ? I mean you are saying force>>>>>>all non force users despite that not being the case. You made a claim now prove it.

I don't have to prove common knowledge Quan. They obviously performed superhuman feats continually, and are always connected to the force. it doesn't have an on/off switch.

That is because the dark side was cloaking their precognition, AND concerted attacks can still do jedi and Sith in, Ayla Secura required dozens of shots to put down, Ki Aidi Mundi was downed by an entire platoon with an AT-TE backing them. Plo Koon was shot down on an exploding speeder that has reactant tanks that would screw anyones day if it exploded between their legs too.

And great way of putting words in my mouth. I never said Force > all. You are making imaginary arguments again.

We arn't discussing Obi vs Jango, and the reason is plot & a honking huge ship actively firing asteroid scattering blasters at him? AND, while I'm at it, just because Obi didn't CHOOSE to do so ion-universe, does not mean he won't choose to do so out-of-universe because the context is different and there is no plot directive to worry about.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Yoda done so in combat ? You keep making up feats.

THE F@CKING DISK! You hav not yet even answered this besides piddling slightly about rotation time, which was completely irrelevant. Geezus! You have the memory of a bloody pea!

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I want to argue based on what they do in character not when their power sets do in my mind.

The characters don't have the constraints of plot here Quan, I have told you this 5 damn times in the past 24 hours alone. Yoda is not restricting himself due to plot stupidity or because of self imposed principal. It does not happen in all out vs matches.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I debate based on what we see not what my mind can dream up. That is you not I.

You already proved you can't hold a consistent point, neither your own, nor following anyone elses points, and you have demonstrated 6 times in the past 4 posts you like to put words in peoples mouths thay they never said.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I have. You are making up feats.

When has Yoda done so ? Or is this you making stuff up again ?

Did Windu easily do this against Jango ?

When has Yoda done what, deflect fire, fight? In AOTC and ROTS.

Windu killed Jango, blasting away all his shots whilst charging into him, then beheading him.

I am going to destroy this myth in my battlezone.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You're going for a wank in the whatnow?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And you keep spinning your wheel, repeating your same shot down bullshit over and over and over and over... ect ad nauseum. You have not rebutted a single point, you have not made a point that was not immediately shot down with delicious ridicule.

I don't have to prove common knowledge Quan. They obviously performed superhuman feats continually, and are always connected to the force. it doesn't have an on/off switch.

That is because the dark side was cloaking their precognition, AND concerted attacks can still do jedi and Sith in, Ayla Secura required dozens of shots to put down, Ki Aidi Mundi was downed by an entire platoon with an AT-TE backing them. Plo Koon was shot down on an exploding speeder that has reactant tanks that would screw anyones day if it exploded between their legs too.

And great way of putting words in my mouth. I never said Force > all. You are making imaginary arguments again.

We arn't discussing Obi vs Jango, and the reason is plot & a honking huge ship actively firing asteroid scattering blasters at him? AND, while I'm at it, just because Obi didn't CHOOSE to do so ion-universe, does not mean he won't choose to do so out-of-universe because the context is different and there is no plot directive to worry about.

THE F@CKING DISK! You hav not yet even answered this besides piddling slightly about rotation time, which was completely irrelevant. Geezus! You have the memory of a bloody pea!

The characters don't have the constraints of plot here Quan, I have told you this 5 damn times in the past 24 hours alone. Yoda is not restricting himself due to plot stupidity or because of self imposed principal. It does not happen in all out vs matches.

You already proved you can't hold a consistent point, neither your own, nor following anyone elses points, and you have demonstrated 6 times in the past 4 posts you like to put words in peoples mouths thay they never said.

Yes, you do. Unlike you I am prepared to battlezone this to where we have no choice but to prove our cases. They use it and can choose not activate it or be prepared for an attack. If it is always on then why did Jango kill a Jedi ? Explain.

No, clouding their identity and motives not their precog. Prove it. They were all overwhelmed. Jango easily killed one with a few shots. Precog and the force are tools of the fanboy. Prove it or concede. Only options available.

So here we go with the excuses, plot. Lol. We only debate on what happens not what made up bs you decide to use to explain what did happen. The reason is simple a skilled combatant can and has killed force users even in Star Wars.

We see him stop, pause, and leave himself wide open for an attack. That's awful.
😂

We can only argue on what they have done not what you wish they can do. He went all out and lost. You can spin it however you want. It won't change anything.

Blah blah blah. Prove your claims or concede. The choice is yours.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I have you are in denial.

No, I'm simply not repeating my own evidence while letting you get away without providing anything. This is the same tactic you tried on me when we first met in the Kahn vs Akuma thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, you do. Unlike you I am prepared to battlezone this to where we have no choice but to prove our cases. They use it and can choose not activate it or be prepared for an attack. If it is always on then why did Jango kill a Jedi ? Explain.

I treat all debates this way. your stacked decks have no monopoly on the burden of proof. And they certainly arnt the premiere debating fancies you think they are, because every one that has been taken seriously has been effectively ignored and sabotaged by you.

He killed one knight who is not Yoda. Big deal. you do realise that there are levels of achievement in the Jedi order right? And Jango is no mook, he is a Mandalorian veteran, mandalorians are WAY beyond ordinary humans skill wise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, clouding their identity and motives not their precog. Prove it. They were all overwhelmed. Jango easily killed one with a few shots. Precog and the force are tools of the fanboy. Prove it or concede. Only options available.

The fact that Windu outright states that if does? On screen depiction is all the proof I need for this. You got owned.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So here we go with the excuses, plot. Lol. We only debate on what happens not what made up bs you decide to use to explain what did happen. The reason is simple a skilled combatant can and has killed force users even in Star Wars.

Ignoring context, AGAIN, I am not surprised. and #2: Khan is not more skilled in combat than Jango anyway.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see him stop, pause, and leave himself wide open for an attack. That's awful.
😂

What? What are you even talking about now?

Originally posted by quanchi112
We can only argue on what they have done not what you wish they can do. He went all out and lost. You can spin it however you want. It won't change anything.

No, as I said before and you utterly ignored it, Yoda wasn't going all out, and, even if he was, he lost to a superior force user. someone who would equally pound the shit out of Khan

Originally posted by quanchi112
Blah blah blah. Prove your claims or concede. The choice is yours.

You have no case Quan, you have failed to answer ANY points and you keep shouting "prove or concede!" This has been your crutch for 2 years straight. it never worked then, it doesn't work now, and it will never work in the future. Now, YOU prove YOUR claims, or GTFO.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
No you haven't, no I've not.

When has Yoda done what, deflect fire, fight? In AOTC and ROTS.

Windu killed Jango, blasting away all his shots whilst charging into him, then beheading him.

You're going for a wank in the whatnow?

No, he can deflect fire. Not all fire but small blasts. Sure. Not über blasts unless you have proof.

Yes, that is how he would fight Khan as well. He can't simply force push defeat him. It's about dem skills with a Lightsaber. You agree with me now except for the conclusion. That will come later.

You don't have the stones for me.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, I'm simply not repeating my own evidence while letting you get away without providing anything. This is the same tactic you tried on me when we first met in the Kahn vs Akuma thread.

I treat all debates this way. your stacked decks have no monopoly on the burden of proof. And they certainly arnt the premiere debating fancies you think they are, because every one that has been taken seriously has been effectively ignored and sabotaged by you.

He killed one knight who is not Yoda. Big deal. you do realise that there are levels of achievement in the Jedi order right? And Jango is no mook, he is a Mandalorian veteran, mandalorians are WAY beyond ordinary humans skill wise.

The fact that Windu outright states that if does? On screen depiction is all the proof I need for this. You got owned.

Ignoring context, AGAIN, I am not surprised. and #2: Khan is not more skilled in combat than Jango anyway.

What? What are you even talking about now?

No, as I said before and you utterly ignored it, Yoda wasn't going all out, and, even if he was, he lost to a superior force user. someone who would equally pound the shit out of Khan

You have no case Quan, you have failed to answer ANY points and you keep shouting "prove or concede!" This has been your crutch for 2 years straight. it never worked then, it doesn't work now, and it will never work in the future. Now, YOU prove YOUR claims, or GTFO.

No, you do not or else maybe you can and your this bad at debating. Ok, I guess. This is your best. 😂

Your logic does not matter with regards to Yoda. It's just force user>>non force user. Simply untrue. Khan is well beyond a human skill wise as well. Lol. Wit saying dumb things. Awful. Khan has far more impressive feats, is far stronger, and far more deadly on his own than Jango is with a droid army backing him.

No, never once says it blinds their precog. Not once. Prove it.

Khan is far more skilled in hand to hand, has better weaponry also, stronger, can jump farther, tactically superior, etc.

Yoda redirecting the disk. He left himself wide open for an attack.
😂

Yes, he was. The fate of the entire galaxy was on the line. He lost.
😂

No, he lost because he was disarmed and was in a poor position on the pod when he tried redirecting the force lightning.

I answered your post in its entirely. Your nuh uh responses aren't cutting it. This is your best debating too.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, you have.

No, he can deflect fire. Not all fire but small blasts. Sure. Not über blasts unless you have proof.

Yes, that is how he would fight Khan as well. He can't simply force push defeat him. It's about dem skills with a Lightsaber. You agree with me now except for the conclusion. That will come later.

You don't have the stones for me.

He can see it before it happens and avoid and counter.
Have you got proof that Khan's uber blasts can kill Yodas?
Nope you haven't.

Yeah he could force push him off of the edge of the vehicle, if its on the same ones that Khan was defeated on by Spock and Spock's lady with her lady gun.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong. Quit bringing up other threads. Stay on point.

Aww, don't like your pattern of behaviour and MO huh?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you do not or else maybe you can and your this bad at debating. Ok, I guess. This is your best. 😂

You wouldn't know good debating practice if it sat on your face and wriggled.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your logic does not matter with regards to Yoda. It's just force user>>non force user. Simply untrue. Khan is well beyond a human skill wise as well. Lol. Wit saying dumb things. Awful. Khan has far more impressive feats, is far stronger, and far more deadly on his own than Jango is with a droid army backing him.

No, never once says it blinds their precog. Not once. Prove it.

Obi-Wan Kenobi: [on hologram, from Kamino] I have successfully made contact with the Prime Minister of Kamino. They are using a bounty hunter named Jango Fett to create a clone army. I have a strong feeling that this bounty hunter is the assassin we're looking for.

Mace Windu: Do you think these cloners are involved in the plot to assassinate Senator Amidala?

Kenobi: No, Master, there appears to be no motive!

Yoda: Do not assume anything, Obi-Wan. Clear, your mind must be, if you are to discover the real villains behind this plot.

Kenobi: Yes, Master. They say that a Master Sifo-Dyas placed the order for a clone army at the request of the Senate, almost ten years ago. I was under the impression he was killed before that. Did the Council ever authorize the creation of a clone army?

Windu: No. Whoever placed that order did not have the authorization of the Jedi Council.

Yoda: Into custody, take this Jango Fett. Bring him here. Question him, we will.

Kenobi: Yes, Master. I will report back if and when I have him. [hologram fades]

Yoda: Blind we are, if the creation of this clone army we could not see.

Windu: I think it is time we informed the Senate that our ability to use the Force has diminished.

Yoda: Only the Dark Lords of the Sith know of our weakness. If informed, the Senate is, multiply, our adversaries will.

You hear that Quan? That is the sound of your rebuttal being flushed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan is far more skilled in hand to hand, has better weaponry also, stronger, can jump farther, tactically superior, etc.

Hah! Better hand to hand indeed! No evidence though, as usual

The gun is all he has, and that can easily be dismantled or yanked from his hand.

Stronger than force amp? Faster than force amp? CAN JUMP BETTER? No on all 3 counts. and tactically superior to a 900 year old Jedi grand Master who has almost that many years in experience over Khan? Hell no.

Everything you just said is completely unsubstantiated and unproven, meanwhile that quote is all I need to utterly trash your counter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda redirecting the disk. He left himself wide open for an attack.
😂

Ok, now, pay close attention. what on Kahn's body is he redirecting that weighs several tonnes and requires to go against gravity?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he was. The fate of the entire galaxy was on the line. He lost.
😂

I would also hazard a guess that Palpatine simultaneously lost because he was left dangling off the edge of one of the platforms then.

Geez your logic is HORRIBLE!

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he lost because he was disarmed and was in a poor position on the pod when he tried redirecting the force lightning.

Palps was in no better shape, hanging off a pod.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I answered your post in its entirely. Your nuh uh responses aren't cutting it. This is your best debating too.

😂

No, you snipped almost all of it except where you like to play your tom foolery and failed even then to answer anything even remotely. I could run a poll and see who agrees with my assessment Quan, but you know who'd win that, and the fact of the matter is simply this, You, as the SOLE person arguing this, you don't even consider that you may not be correct. out of the dozens or perhaps hundreds that have looked upon the pages in this thread. you think you are the only one who is right. that makes you a narcissist and a self deluded one at that.