America & Sexism

Originally posted by Digi
lol, my thoughts exactly at one point. I was considering slinging some insults just to get a reply.

Still framing it as a competition, complete with teams. Wrong mindset here, friend.

You're not going to change your mind talking to a few people you're inherently defensive toward on an internet board. Go travel the world - hell, the country - and get back to me. If you still think you're the most marginalized demographic in the country due to the Civil War and the Simpsons, then we can talk.

And go read The Three Musketeers. My violin is named D'Artagnan. Damned good stuff.

lol. I was in the united states air force and spent time all over Europe, Middle East, Asia, and Africa.

Where have you been?

Man, Cyner and SW are owning

Ok, I am pretty tired of these defensive comments and expressions of feeling of victimisation. Cut those out in future. I'll give warnings to people who make accusations of being ganged up on or try to frame this as an aggressive contest as Raisen just did.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you think there will be a gender backlash due to the current trends?

Meaning, do you think schools will start offering men incentives to get an education as their institution?

Again, there is no current trend. Unless you mean the current trend of privileged men to feel victimized by oppressed groups demanding fair treatment.

There is already a "gender backlash" if you want to call it that. Opposition to feminist ideas of equality have been going on since feminism started. Rush Limbaugh coined the term feminazi and women speaking about this topic are shouted down with it as well as through media presentation of them as selfish, lesbian man-haters.

Perhaps, probably even, the backlash will get stronger, but on the other hand there'll also be more men realizing that prohibitive separation of gender roles isn't actually good for them and good for their sons either.

On the whole I am positive currently, that the right side of history will win out, but it is still a long road (though I as a white male have the nicest seats on that road)

I went a bit off topic, as to your second sentence. Perhaps, I don't think it is an issue of incentives and oppression necessarily, but it is definitely an issue that less men than women attend college, and boys get worse grades in school. Imo the main underlying problem is the gender role we attribute to boys though, which doesn't work too well with the way children (and teenagers and college students) are educated.

I think it clashes with another movement of secondary education as we know it becoming outdated though, so I don't know what to expect from this.

Yeah, which is why its so odd that almost all government power in the US is in the hands of that small group.

Not really... the US was 90%+ white until the mid 1960's-1970's. You're going to see quite a drop in percentage of US citizens that are white and whites in power as the baby boomer generation starts kicking the bucket.

Why?

Because although I'm not white myself, I'd rather not see them or the cultures associated with them, vanish from this earth.

Originally posted by Cyner
Not really... the US was 90%+ white until the mid 1960's-1970's. You're going to see quite a drop in percentage of US citizens that are white and whites in power as the baby boomer generation starts kicking the bucket.

Because although I'm not white myself, I'd rather not see them or the cultures associated with them, vanish from this earth.

I think it is an interesting point. Non-white cultures have been more directly threatened (and have been actively threatened or even been extinct by colonialism in the past couple hundred years). White indigenous cultures on the other hand are threatened by an overarching monoculture emitting from the US (so are other cultures, too, but it's perhaps more obvious then cause it feels more foreign)

However I do think culture is not just something to be preserved and kept the same, but also something that evolves and that can be great.

I probably shouldn't talk about that though, these are just ramblings that just came to my mind.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, there is no current trend. Unless you mean the current trend of privileged men to feel victimized by oppressed groups demanding fair treatment.

There is already a "gender backlash" if you want to call it that. Opposition to feminist ideas of equality have been going on since feminism started. Rush Limbaugh coined the term feminazi and women speaking about this topic are shouted down with it as well as through media presentation of them as selfish, lesbian man-haters.

Perhaps, probably even, the backlash will get stronger, but on the other hand there'll also be more men realizing that prohibitive separation of gender roles isn't actually good for them and good for their sons either.

On the whole I am positive currently, that the right side of history will win out, but it is still a long road (though I as a white male have the nicest seats on that road)

I went a bit off topic, as to your second sentence. Perhaps, I don't think it is an issue of incentives and oppression necessarily, but it is definitely an issue that less men than women attend college, and boys get worse grades in school. Imo the main underlying problem is the gender role we attribute to boys though, which doesn't work too well with the way children (and teenagers and college students) are educated.

I think it clashes with another movement of secondary education as we know it becoming outdated though, so I don't know what to expect from this.

I wish I had a much much longer lifespan (as you already know) because I want to be in my prime when white people become a minority in the US. In some cities, like NYC, white people are already a minority. It will take probably 100 years before every state in the US has a white minority.

When this happens, we might finally see things, ignoring history class, like "white privilege" go extinct. I would love to have taken advantage of this white privilege that is rumored to exist. Especially this "white male privilege" I keep hearing about.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I wish I had a much much longer lifespan (as you already know) because I want to be in my prime when white people become a minority in the US. In some cities, like NYC, white people are already a minority. It will take probably 100 years before every state in the US has a white minority.

When this happens, we might finally see things, ignoring history class, like "white privilege" go extinct. I would love to have taken advantage of this white privilege that is rumored to exist. Especially this "white male privilege" I keep hearing about.

Oh, don't worry, you already have.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think it is an interesting point. Non-white cultures have been more directly threatened (and have been actively threatened or even been extinct by colonialism in the past couple hundred years). White indigenous cultures on the other hand are threatened by an overarching monoculture emitting from the US (so are other cultures, too, but it's perhaps more obvious then cause it feels more foreign)

However I do think culture is not just something to be preserved and kept the same, but also something that evolves and that can be great.

I probably shouldn't talk about that though, these are just ramblings that just came to my mind.

Of course I believe the ethnicity or race itself is much more important than the exact culture. However culture being a product of the people who are a part of it can be extremely interesting in and of itself and in many ways reflects the geography or biology of it's adherents.

Again, there is no current trend. Unless you mean the current trend of privileged men to feel victimized by oppressed groups demanding fair treatment.

Going to completely disagree with this. The idea that all men are privileged is nonsense. The idea that women are oppressed has no basis in fact.

Men are privileged to live shorter lives, to suffer more violence, to work themselves to death, to be killed by the state at much higher rates, across all races and cultures.

Women are oppressed by men's catering to them at all times. Oppressed by men protecting them and sacrificing their lives for women on a regular basis. Oppressed by not being expected to work as hard or make as much money as a man.

I'm also going to disagree that feminism has anything even remotely close to equality in mind when lobbying for new laws to be passed that blatantly screw over men. Current feminism is an ideology of misandry.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why do you think its so hard to talk about men's rights in any serious way? The stupid assholes are the only ones people are aware of.

Originally posted by Raisen
lol. I was in the united states air force and spent time all over Europe, Middle East, Asia, and Africa.

Where have you been?

Not a competition. I've traveled, though not via military service. Gaining perspective is my point, though. If you've been to those places and think that sitcom portrayal of men is in any way repression (and that there aren't positive portrayals of men elsewhere on TV), then we may not have much common ground.

So in this case, I'm surprised you have the views that you do. My own personal experience refutes yours. Lower middle-class, white, have never once felt meaningfully marginalized because of gender or race. It was only when I changed religions that I felt any sort of societal pressure. Hell, I've taken more general grief for being a vegetarian than I ever have for being white or male.

But ultimately, our personal experiences are anecdotal and inadmissible toward the overall point. Despite knowing that anyone and everyone can face immense struggles, I have yet to hear a compelling rebuttal to the idea that the level of inequality is worse for numerous other ethnicities, religions, cultures, gender, etc. on the whole. It's often provably false for groups like LGBT, blacks, Muslims, atheists, and, yes, women...at least in certain areas (the statistics cited earlier by Bardock on Fortune 500's are one prominent example).

Originally posted by Digi
Hell, I've taken more general grief for being a vegetarian than I ever have for being white or male.

As you should you tree-hugging hippie libtard. We don't take too kindly to your folk around these parts. *spits into a spittoon*

Digi is a vegetarian? How come we haven't yet made a pariah out of him?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Digi is a vegetarian? How come we haven't yet made a pariah out of him?

Pariah? Yeah, let's turn him into our fish-dinner.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why do you think its so hard to talk about men's rights in any serious way? The stupid assholes are the only ones people are aware of.

yup. and sadly when it comes to men's rights, you have the crazy mra's (not all mra's, in fact a minority of them) being somehow considered as a representation of all the good mra's, and then the crazy "feminists" (who are nothing of the sort), trying to get men's groups shut down and/or branded as hate groups.

Originally posted by Cyner
Not really... the US was 90%+ white until the mid 1960's-1970's. You're going to see quite a drop in percentage of US citizens that are white and whites in power as the baby boomer generation starts kicking the bucket.

There have been 8 Senate elections since 1960 (including one last year) and 26 House elections since 1960 (including one last year). Generally the old boys aren't staying in the seats they got in the 60s either, the average member of Congress stays for 11 years.

White men have massively disproportionate representation in the US legislature.

Originally posted by Cyner
Because although I'm not white myself, I'd rather not see them or the cultures associated with them, vanish from this earth.

Why? Like why care about the eternal preservation of any culture?

All cultures vanish from the Earth or change until they're unrecognizable. That's what cultures do. Unless you have absolute control over the world your culture will die given time. I can't even imagine what you think white culture is anyway.

sooooooooooooooo, male suicide, how about that epidemic?

Originally posted by Oliver North
sooooooooooooooo, male suicide, how about that epidemic?

It is pretty bad. What are your theories as to why this is the case?

Actually this is pretty neat. The US government keeps official records on the demographics of people serving in Congress.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/R41647.pdf

Women are 17% of Congress and 50% of Americans.
African-Americans are 8% of Congress and 12% of Americans.
Latinos are 6% of Congress and 16% of Americans.
Asians and Pacific Islanders are 3% of Congress and 6% of Americans.
Solders and Veterans are 22% of Congress and 8% of Americans.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I need someone to seriously tell me why:

A college educated white male

Should fear the "current misandry trend" in the US? I mean, be serious: what is that demographic supposed to fear? What are the negatives and what are the positives?

- Men will be/already are disadvantaged in a relationship with a female in this kind of culture.
- Men will/already face significant competition for career opportunities and growth in this kind of culture.
- Several laws will be/already are favorable to women; this is bad news for men in this kind of culture. As more and more women reach positions of power, expect more laws to be made in their favor.

If the Matriarchy gets implemented in full strength then additional cons:

- The importance of men will diminish in the long-run in this kind of culture. Women would not even need men to procreate; sperm-banks will do the job for them.
- Men (majority) will suffer from GID because they will be tutored to be soft and adorable which will conflict against their genetic make-up (the stronger sex no longer being conditioned like it).
- Population growth can slow-down significantly; possibly halt.

Pros:

- Easy sex (in case of a sexually liberal society)
- Women being capable of sustaining households on their own. Though many women expect their men to work and shun/dislike if they don't.

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This is what I expect on the basis of my observations and knowledge.