While River certainly showed tremendous martial skill in the movie(she is by far the best fighter in the Firefly series shown so far), I doubt that they're going to be of any use against someone strong enough to go toe-to-toe with(and eventually overwhelm) a Vulcan half-breed in h2h combat and resist the nerve pinch technique.
Khan wins 10/10.
And River only ever faced a bunch of raging madmen in the form of the Reavers. She never showed any indication of being able to take on a quasi-superhuman trained soldier in h2h combat either. Which maybe attributable to the fact that the Fireflyverse never had any such beings on Khan's level, while the Nu-Trekverse does so in spades.
She only fought human punks in that bar, and certainly no one who seemed to be even remotely well-trained, let alone as skilled as Khan, so no, that fight doesn't really count as much of a feat in comparison to her butchering an entire room full of Reavers. Which in itself is hardly anything to speak of when comparing her to a guy like Khan.
She has always utilized her wushu-lite fighting style in armed combat though, which is why I keep mentioning h2h. A highly trained semi-superhuman like Khan is simply out of her league.
Armed human punks and did them all, H2H demonstrating quasi superhuman abilities in defense, offense and manoeuvring.
I think Khan is screwed against her when shes armed.
Or at the very least he leaves the arena screaming like a BeeGee with his fingers caught in a car door.
She might also be able to kill him with her mind. 😛
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Armed human punks and did them all, H2H demonstrating quasi superhuman abilities in defense, offense and manoeuvring.I think Khan is screwed against her when shes armed.
Or at the very least he leaves the arena screaming like a BeeGee with his fingers caught in a car door.She might also be able to kill him with her mind. 😛
I disagree. Khan is certainly strong enough to KO her with one punch, and while he certainly lacks the feats with bladed weapons that she has in abundance, he is imo resourceful enough to figure out how to do so while in combat. I mean Captain Reynolds was able to hold his own in a sword-fight against an elite fencer in an ep of the series, so Khan too should be capable of doing so in a fight where his life depends upon it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Khan wasn't really all that skilled, most of it was his superior stats...which aren't going to mean much when the other person is using bladed weapons.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I don't believe that she showed quasi-super or even peak level stats in the movie. Jane was able to physically restrain her before she KO'd him with that steel plate, so her strength is in all likelihood at a normal human level, albeit one that is certainly strong for her small build.I disagree. Khan is certainly strong enough to KO her with one punch, and while he certainly lacks the feats with bladed weapons that she has in abundance, he is imo resourceful enough to figure out how to do so while in combat. I mean Captain Reynolds was able to hold his own in a sword-fight against an elite fencer in an ep of the series, so Khan too should be capable of doing so in a fight where his life depends upon it.
She did in that fight that flip that took her like 15-20ft landing on her hands was one. Khan will be delimbed if he tries to restrain her.
Im afraid Im still not convinced.
Mal was getting pwned and got lucky because the duel was drawn out. What Khan would be facing against River armed with Sword and axe would be brutally fast and efficient and without a stop until he is shish khanbab. I think we may just have to agree to disagree on that one.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
She did in that fight that flip that took her like 15-20ft landing on her hands was one. Khan will be delimbed if he tries to restrain her.Im afraid Im still not convinced.
Mal was getting pwned and got lucky because the duel was drawn out. What Khan would be facing against River armed with Sword and axe would be brutally fast and efficient and without a stop until he is shish khanbab. I think we may just have to agree to disagree on that one.
Except Mal has practically no experience whatsoever with swords, or any major bladed weapons whatsoever. Khan on the other hand head-stabbed 2 klingons with their own bladed weapons in an instant.
Ok, let's agree to disagree then. 👆
Anyways, I suspect that people are going to argue against Khan in this thread simply because of quan's fanboyish wankery in previous threads. However realistically speaking she doesn't stand a chance against Khan, and I am as much of a River-fan as one gets without bordering on the fanboy line. On that note, Quan's ability to make a certain character so hateable with his trolling is indeed uncanny in that respect.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
In terms of raw skill, River might probably hold the edge, but Khan's superior stats more than compensate for it and his training on top of that makes him her clear superior in any type of melee(armed or unarmed).
In terms of raw skill River is well above Khan and of the two she is the only one to have any skill feats with the weapons is question.
Hell, Khan had some trouble with Spock in pure HTH, even though Khan had the stat advantage. Khan isn't anywhere near as skilled as some people want him to be.
Originally posted by Silent Master
In terms of raw skill River is well above Khan and of the two she is the only one to have any skill feats with the weapons is question.Hell, Khan had some trouble with Spock in pure HTH, even though Khan had the stat advantage. Khan isn't anywhere near as skilled as some people want him to be.
Spock is trained in Vulcan ma. In terms of pure skill, I'd put Spock at the same level as that Alliance Operative who beat the sh1t out of Mal. Khan is definitely skilled enough to rival River, your quanhate simply blinds you to it.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Jane wasn't delimbed. I don't recall her backflipping from a 15-20 ft drop, and even if she did, it's nothing remotely impressive compared to Khan's strength or agility feats.
Except Mal has practically no experience whatsoever with swords, or any major bladed weapons whatsoever. Khan on the other hand head-stabbed 2 klingons with their own bladed weapons in an instant.
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And what feats other than being puss-stooges do the Klingons have here, in the Nu-verse, screenfeats wise? Nothing.
Ok, let's agree to disagree then. 👆
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Anyways, I suspect that people are going to argue against Khan in this thread simply because of quan's fanboyish wankery in previous threads. However realistically speaking she doesn't stand a chance against Khan, and I am as much of a River-fan as one gets without bordering on the fanboy line. On that note, Quan's ability to make a certain character so hateable with his trolling is indeed uncanny in that respect.
I'm not letting Quan's bias affect me: He is just a tourist troll whom doesn't even see or remember things right anyway.
I think Khan is sliced and diced still. Don't get me wrong though: Im not saying 10/10 or anything that strong, but I see her doing it like 6-7 times out of ten. Shes a psychic with top level Kill Bill like performance, and has a sword and axe. And Khan is no bulletime spiderman avoider.