No, he really didn't.
And Khan isn't > Spock in regards to speed. I don't see above human speed anywhere in the clip.
No, he really didn't.
And Khan isn't > Spock in regards to speed. I don't see above human speed anywhere in the clip.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Khan crash-dove his ship into San Fransisco and then engaged in a long foot chase and fight (including withstanding a Vulcan Nerve Pinch, which would put down, say, River, instantly) he would have won if not for intervention. What has River done to equate to this durability/stamina?
Good for him, which of those makes him immune to getting stabbed?
Originally posted by Silent MasterDid you miss the part where Kirk wasn't fast enough to block most of the hits?
Did you miss the fact that 1) Kirk actually blocked a couple of the hits and 2) Spock didn't actually show above human speed?If not, I can start posting movie clips where normal humans move and strike faster than Spock did in that scene.
How is a different movie showing people moving fast supposed to disprove Spock being faster than humans, that's inane.
The fact that he landed more hits than were blocked doesn't mean Spock has a massive speed advantage, it certainly doesn't mean Spock is faster than human.
Look at 4:25, OMG Jeff Speakman has superhuman speed.
It's unfortunate we never get to see the full extent of River's skills & potential.
We only ever see the after-math of River taking on a horde of Reavers armed with bladed weapons....& surviving, unscathed.
We do see Khan take on a squad of Klingons, yet he is properly armed & is also able to use his guns to block, parry & bludgeon...not to mention jump long distance which suggests speed & durability.
However River did take on a horde of Reavers, feared for their brutality & penchant to rape, torture & canabalize all by herself...even when the rest of her crew, armed with guns were ready to give up & die.
Hell, I'd rather face 5 Klingons to 1 Reaver any day.
My vote goes to River. If she wanted Khan dead, nothing would stand in her way.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
It's unfortunate we never get to see the full extent of River's skills & potential.We only ever see the after-math of River taking on a horde of Reavers armed with bladed weapons....& surviving, unscathed.
We do see Khan take on a squad of Klingons, yet he is properly armed & is also able to use his guns to block, parry & bludgeon...not to mention jump long distance which suggests speed & durability.
However River did take on a horde of Reavers, feared for their brutality & penchant to rape, torture & canabalize all by herself...even when the rest of her crew, armed with guns were ready to give up & die.
Hell, I'd rather face 5 Klingons to 1 Reaver any day.
My vote goes to River. If she wanted Khan dead, nothing would stand in her way.
A good majority of the Reapers' reputation is just that: fear. It's a psychological thing. They've been driven insane and have an urge to mutilate, but they're otherwise still human, aren't they? It's been a while since I saw Serenity, so I don't recall if they'd been enhanced as well.
River definitely has some impressive showings. I think quite a bit of it is embellished, though. She has impressive strength, but in this scenario she's outreached against an opponent who has comparable, if not equal, skill and enhanced in ways she isn't.
I just don't see River coming out of this without serious injury, if at all.
The Reavers were affected /modified by the Alliance's (falied) experiment to the extent of pure rage mode, with uber visciousness and freak strength that amped base level function would imply. Theres no doubt that they were incredibly dangerous bastards by screenfeats in addition to what was said in-verse about them.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
freak strength that amped base level function would imply.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Link showing vid proof? (showing something that humans cannot do.)
Only advantage that River might have here is speed, and that is questionable because Khan took on tougher opponents.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Did you miss the fact that 1) Kirk actually blocked a couple of the hits and 2) Spock didn't actually show above human speed?If not, I can start posting movie clips where normal humans move and strike faster than Spock did in that scene.
Did you fail to see that Kirk couldn't actually land any clean hits because 1. Spock beat him to the punch most of the time and 2. The times he did throw punches Spock easily blocked him?
You don't need to show flash-like speed feats to be considered superhumanly fast. Even if you just had the speed reflexes of a cat that would make you faster than any human, but it won't look like flash-blurs on screen.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Did you fail to see that Kirk couldn't actually land any clean hits because 1. Spock beat him to the punch most of the time and 2. The times he did throw punches Spock easily blocked him?You don't need to show flash-like speed feats to be considered superhumanly fast. Even if you just had the speed reflexes of a cat that would make you faster than any human, but it won't look like flash-blurs on screen.
Being slightly faster than Kirk isn't proof of having above human level speed.