River Tam vs Khan

Originally posted by Silent Master
What are Spock's HTH feats and a good part of why Khan was winning was his superior stats.

His superior stats give him the win here too.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
No, the difference is there but it's not as substantial as you're making it out to be. Bar-frequenting civilians and punks along with Reavers are the only people she fought.

Spock is trained in Vulcan ma. In terms of pure skill, I'd put Spock at the same level as that Alliance Operative who beat the sh1t out of Mal. Khan is definitely skilled enough to rival River, your quanhate simply blinds you to it.

Sure it is, as you said yourself she had normal human strength which means the people she fought were at least as strong as her and yet she took out groups of people. Khan had trouble going 1-on-1 with someone weaker than him.

Again, what are Spock's hth feats?

Also, Spock is stronger/faster than humans.

Originally posted by Mindset
Have you not seen the first movie?

His superior stats give him the win here too.

I have seen the movie, but I don't recall any top level hth feats, feel free to refresh my memory.

Just watch it again.

I'm at work for the next 9 hours, why don't you just tell me his hth feats...that would save a lot of time.

Does your manager know this is how you spend your time?

As long as we do our work first, he doesn't mind.

That's cool, I hope you have a good day at work, friend.

River can mimic any fighting style or move her opponent can do, there she is as good at h2h as khan, if not better. Khans only advantage is his strength, however, that wont help against an axe or a blad.
KHAN GOES DOWN

Thanks. it's been fairly slow so far, but Fridays usually are.

River is the better fighter, though Khan isn't bad in skill either. Khan does have the physical edge, and in any real fight a skilled dude with higher physical stats than you will almost always win. Can River still win? Sure, but definitely not the majority.

Khan loses

Only this isn't a HTH fight, it's a fight with bladed weapons where strength doesn't matter nearly as much and of the two of them only one can be said to be skilled with the weapons being used, and that person isn't Khan.

Originally posted by Mindset
Also, Spock is stronger/faster than humans.

Stronger, not faster.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Only this isn't a HTH fight, it's a fight with bladed weapons where strength doesn't matter nearly as much and of the two of them only one can be said to be skilled with the weapons being used, and that person isn't Khan.

If I'm not mistaken, Khan is supposed to be enhanced physically such that he's not only stronger but faster and with better reflexes as well. After all, he was in a firefight with Klingons, outnumbered and out in the open and yet didn't get hit once.

Now if I'm mistaken and Khan only has enhanced strength and not speed and reflexes, then the match is more even.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Stronger, not faster.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If I'm not mistaken, Khan is supposed to be enhanced physically such that he's not only stronger but faster and with better reflexes as well. After all, he was in a firefight with Klingons, outnumbered and out in the open and yet didn't get hit once.

Now if I'm mistaken and Khan only has enhanced strength and not speed and reflexes, then the match is more even.

Intelligence, strength, reflexes, etc.

Khan really didn't appear to be that much(if at all) faster in speed or reflexes than anyone else, neither did Spock. As for the fire fight, It's not like he was dodging and jumping around to avoid the phaser blasts. they just missed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Khan really didn't appear to be that much(if at all) faster in speed or reflexes than anyone else, neither did Spock. As for the fire fight, It's not like he was dodging and jumping around to avoid the phaser blasts. they just missed.