Faora vs Hulk

This is from the movie vs forum counterpart to this thread

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Well maybe the missle blowing up in her face with a super loud BANG and flash while she was just starting to really go threw the sensory overload might of been what helped KOed her.. Getting sudden uncontrolled super hearing as a bomb goes off in your face sounds problematic.

Makes sense to me.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
The guy says he was awake when he fell, but judging by the way banner wakes up, the impact could have possibly knocked him out. He was laying on his back at the point of impact. Why would a conscious hulk just lay there without moving? Him being knocked out from impact and reverting back to banner makes more sense.

Zod himself says Clark exposed a temporary weakness and that's why they were defeated.

Yeah he did.

You know what really bothered me? Kal-El telling Zod exactly what he needed to know to get over the overload.

I mean...really? LoL

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
Zod himself says Clark exposed a temporary weakness and that's why they were defeated.

Yep.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Makes sense to me. it made more sense to me as well, but the old man's dialogue implies he was indeed smashing shit.

What does he say? That he scared a bunch of pigeons? I was under the impression that was from Hulk falling from the sky.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
This is from the movie vs forum counterpart to this thread

Makes sense to me. it made more sense to me as well, but the old man's dialogue implies he was indeed smashing shit.

Pretty sure he meant smashing shit on his way down. He was definitely conscious during the free fall, the f-22 explosion did not knock him out.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Yeah he did.

You know what really bothered me? Kal-El telling Zod exactly what he needed to know to get over the overload.

I mean...really? LoL

Yea, that was stupid. Faora did not have that knowledge though. Judging by the way she put out her hand it seemed she was sure she could just stop it, but with her enhanced senses it was all too overwhelming & and she didn't try to evade which means she was probably all fuct up.

Watched the scene again and you are right this is how the dialogue goes:

Old Man: "You fell out of the sky"
Banner: "Did I hurt anybody"
Old Man: "There was nobody around to get hurt. You did scare the hell out of some pidgeons though."
Banner: "Lucky"
Old Man: "Or just good aim. You were awake when you fell."
Banner: "You saw?"
Old Man: "The whole thing. Right through the ceiling. big and green and butt ass nude. Yeah. Didn't think those would fit until you shrank down to your regular size, fella. "
Banner: "Thanks"
Old Man: "You an alien? "
Banner: "What?"
Old Man: "From outer space, an alien"
Banner: "No"
Old Man: "Well then, son, you have a condition."

The dialogue was different than I remembered. It does seem like Hulk managed to avoid landing populated areas like Rage suggested. But then nothing really proves Hulk was not KOed after he landed.

Mythbusted????

That dialogue makes little sense when put together.

So he lands, he's awake, does not move and then wakes up later with pants on him that the old man gave him while he had reverted back.

Either he just fell and was too bored to get up, and then fell asleep. Or he fell, was in some kind of pain from the fall, and then just decided to lay there to recuperate for a few moments and ended up passing out since he was calming down.

Or maybe the 'you were awake when you fell' is simply referring to him being awake while he was falling, since its coupled by the old man talking about his 'good aim' during said fall.

That is how I see it. He was awake while falling which is why Hulk ended up landing in a empty building.

- 1 for Hulk's durability
+ 10 for hulk's heroics.

Better hero than Cavillman. facepalm

That stings.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
We don't know that for sure, but we're given no reason to assume otherwise.

Occam's Razor tells us what's fair to assume until we have more information.

She certainly didn't take as much punishment as Zod did, for example, and yet was ko'd by less. Yes, the whole disoriented thing due to sensory overload, but we're given nothing to assume that it lowers their pain threshold, she was even lucid enough to try to block the incoming missile/jet/whatever it was with one hand.

Not sure how Occam's Razor is valid here.

Which is proof that she's not as durable as either. Apparently, her powers and abilities weren't as developed as Zod and Kal's, so it is highly presumptive to say that her durability is only about 2/3 of Kal's simply on the basis of her gender. You're using her getting dazed due to the sensory overload as proof that her durability is lower based on her sex? Seriously?

Impact knocked him out makes the most sense, let's also not forget this isn't base level hulk either, he was most likely a few levels above considering his fight with Thor had just taken place.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
Impact knocked him out makes the most sense, let's also not forget this isn't base level hulk either, he was most likely a few levels above considering his fight with Thor had just taken place.

And he had just been thoroughly enraged by loki's shenanigans.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
IIRC, it was implied that her powers weren't as developed as Superman and Zod's.

Not sure how Occam's Razor is valid here.

Which is proof that she's not as durable as either. Apparently, her powers and abilities weren't as developed as Zod and Kal's, so it is [b]highly presumptive to say that her durability is only about 2/3 of Kal's simply on the basis of her gender. You're using her getting dazed due to the sensory overload as proof that her durability is lower based on her sex? Seriously? [/B]

Occam's Razor is valid because until we're given a reason to assume that their sexual dimorphism is any different, they aren't.--especially since they look identical to humans and were stated to be no stronger than them humans under the Kryptonian atmosphere, such that her thinner bone structure, lower overall mass and muscle composition, would naturally grant her lesser durability.

There is no proof that the sensory overload would have affected her pain tolerance, besides that, it did not seem to affect her as badly as it affected Zod, the latter's helmet was completely gone and he was brought to his knees and needed help being carried off. She seemed to get over it quickly enough to move about casually and tried to palm that incoming projectile. She failed however.

Originally posted by Emi~Kiro

Originally posted by juggerman
Nope and not as powerful

Right

Nope

Hulk's too slow as punches much weaker than hers send him for a loop

Wrong.

Yes.

Faster than a human who beat her. 😂

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Occam's Razor is valid because until we're given a reason to assume that their sexual dimorphism is any different, they aren't.--especially since they look identical to humans and were stated to be no stronger than them humans under the Kryptonian atmosphere, such that her thinner bone structure, lower overall mass and muscle composition, would naturally grant her lesser durability.

There is no proof that the sensory overload would have affected her pain tolerance, besides that, it did not seem to affect her as badly as it affected Zod, the latter's helmet was completely gone and he was brought to his knees and needed help being carried off. She seemed to get over it quickly enough to move about casually and tried to palm that incoming projectile. She failed however.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Occam's Razor is valid because until we're given a reason to assume that their sexual dimorphism is any different, they aren't.--especially since they look identical to humans and were stated to be no stronger than them humans under the Kryptonian atmosphere, such that her thinner bone structure, lower overall mass and muscle composition, would naturally grant her lesser durability.

There is no proof that the sensory overload would have affected her pain tolerance, besides that, it did not seem to affect her as badly as it affected Zod, the latter's helmet was completely gone and he was brought to his knees and needed help being carried off. She seemed to get over it quickly enough to move about casually and tried to palm that incoming projectile. She failed however.

If I get dazed by a punch, then the likelihood of me being KOed by the next blow is very high. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
With her senses being exponentially enhanced the sound of the missile exploding in her face would be enough. Zod was brought to his knees from simple sounds. In short her senses were overloaded and her body shut down. Zod never made mention of human weapons as any sort of threat. He said kal exposed a temporary weakness, not humans have weapons that can hurt us.

He was pushed back, which itself is no big deal, but he seemed to make grunts, acknowledging the force at least.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
With her senses being exponentially enhanced the sound of the missile exploding in her face would be enough. Zod was brought to his knees from simple sounds. In short her senses were overloaded and her body shut down. Zod never made mention of human weapons as any sort of threat. He said kal exposed a temporary weakness, not humans have weapons that can hurt us.

I have to re-watch the Faora scene. I remember her being knocked down but IIRC she got up and walked up trying to palm the missile all casual like seemingly fine but she was taken out by it. Not exactly far fetch, Nam-Ek felt the gunfire and Clark felt that gas station explosion as well. The refinery blowing up also knocked him out didn't it? Whatever, the sensory bombardment could have definitely contributed to it but no way was she going to shrug that missile off either.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Watched the scene again and you are right this is how the dialogue goes:

Old Man: "You fell out of the sky"
Banner: "Did I hurt anybody"
Old Man: "There was nobody around to get hurt. You did scare the hell out of some pidgeons though."
Banner: "Lucky"
Old Man: "Or just good aim. You were awake when you fell."
Banner: "You saw?"
Old Man: "The whole thing. Right through the ceiling. big and green and butt ass nude. Yeah. Didn't think those would fit until you shrank down to your regular size, fella. "
Banner: "Thanks"
Old Man: "You an alien? "
Banner: "What?"
Old Man: "From outer space, an alien"
Banner: "No"
Old Man: "Well then, son, you have a condition."

The dialogue was different than I remembered. It does seem like Hulk managed to avoid landing populated areas like Rage suggested. But then nothing really proves Hulk was not KOed after he landed.

[b]Mythbusted???? [/B]

Yeah, just re-watched the last half of Avengers. It was a simple movie but really fun imho.

It really depends on how you take the comment about Hulk falling. Saying he was awake when he fell and scared some pigeons implies that he was conscious though so whatever.