Thanos, Gladiator & World Breaker Hulk Vs. Darkseid, Superman & Hunter/Prey Doomsday

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok we are arguing semantics. I'll be politically correct.
Omega Effect (it was first called) is the power that allows him to fire his Omega Beams from his eyes. These beams are capable of vaporizing, erasing, or transmuting any form of matter, living or non-living. They can send/retrieve something from different places, times, dimensions, and even universes.

In conclusion, the OE is the total power capable of various effects. Erasing is a different effect than vaporizing, or transmuting, or ...

Prove that the omega effect that comes out of his eyes are different than the omega beams.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you now agree that things vary in comics? Good. So next time I don't want you to use a feat to interpret another feat knowing good and well things vary in comics.

That, in addition to Quasar saying he can make his shields stronger.
http://imageshack.us/f/842/pf2h.jpg/

So yeah, you have no point.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is plenty of problems with the feat. I will not lowball so listen.
First of all, both Warlock's and Thanos were smoking with power. It could been both of them who blasted the shield.

Second, is quasar astronomically more powerful than all those heroes? Or were the heroes just weaker than normal in that scene? I mean the only beings who has a chance of breaking it under normal circumstances is Professor Hulk and Hercules. I don't recall seeing Thor even trying to break the shield.

Third, they were hitting the shield in different places and at different times. Their forces don't combine at all. Supeman is much more powerful than anyone of them. So it's not the same.

It really doesn't matter what Quasar's power level was considering the full powered heroes failed to break it and Thanos one shotted it. Quasar could have been amped by the IG or weakened to the point of not being able to stand. It makes no difference. But Quasar's strong shields have held up find against strong forces before so him holding off the heroes isn't surprising.

But no, Thor didn't try to break the shield... oh wait, here's Drax hitting it too.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Quasar-38-13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Quasar-38-14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Quasar-38-15.jpg

They were hitting the single small construct everywhere. It doesn't matter where they were hitting it, considering they were combining their power into one solid object. You're lowballing again.
Plus, the first part has Thor and Hulk hitting really close to each other so that theory sucks anyway

Originally posted by h1a8
I never seen Quasars shields crack under pressure. I seen them either withstand pressure or completely break to pressure. But if they do crack under pressure then the feat of Thanos is invalid since the heroes weakened the shield prior to Thanos (and Warlock) blasting it.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was a half power because each beam struck a missile separately. When DS hit DD BOTH beams struck and thus was the full power.

Kind of shocking really.

Still doesn't amount to much, but yeah, that makes sense.

Originally posted by h1a8
Again, numbers don't stack here unless they are hitting in unison. They were hitting out of cadence and in different spots. Also many of them are fodder compare to Superman. Superman is superior to any one of them. Lastly, it can be interpreted as warlock blasting with Thanos since his gem was smoking along with Thanos fist.

Superman is not superior to all of them, or even two of the higher ones at a time. Avoiding the obvious of Superman being superior at the time...

No it can't. Like I said, there was no green blast in there. Not to mention that Warlock wouldn't have added more than Hulk would have anyway.

Originally posted by h1a8
So Thanos ate the butterfly and it gave him knowledge or enlightenment. Cool.

"All my doppleganger was is now part of me, including the Magus' insights on my inner self"

"Once again Thanos of titan is WHOLE!"

But yes, Thanos just ate some butterfly and it gave him knowledge or enlightenment...

Originally posted by h1a8
The missile attack was just the vaporizing effect and not the erasing effect. Yes the vaporizing effect would end Thanos. I do not view Thanos as astronomically more durable than Superman can injure. If Thanos can survive or not be koed by the beams then that would mean Superman can't put a scratch on him either. Which is asinine.

His matter manipulation, and teleportation however are different.

So you'd view it in reverse for Thanos blasting Darkseid then? If so many heroes can't touch the shield, then surely he'd wipe out Darkseid, no?
But lol at saying Darkseid one shots Thanos just because Superman tried to punch the missiles once and shoot it with HV that didn't work because they were designed to take the heat of re-entry. Which wouldn't fly with current Superman.
Clearly we should ignore what Thanos has taken. Clearly we should ignore Superman taking the OBs many many times. Which shouldn't be possible considering he can "scratch" himself. The OBs are powerful yes, but there is absolutely no way it's one shotting Thanos.

I've already provided logic here
Galactus owns any type of OB attack right(wether it be erasion, vaporizing, concussisve'

Imo he'd tank & then pimp slap darkseid

But a well nourished galactus had to exert himself to break thanos' sheild (if thanos gets his sheild the OB is fodder because a well nourished galactus exerting himself to break thanos' shield > OB)
Then when he eventually did break the shield thanos energy blasted him halfway across a planet,(energy blast from his hands)

Imo if thanos has his shield he tanks the ob pretty easily, if he doesn't have it, he takes it but its gonna hurt,

@ h1a8 thanos is weaker now after his resurrection? I hope you don't mean after death banned him from the afterlife, because he came back a lot stronger and more powerful, which is why he challenged odin and took everything he gave him, so ur incorrect

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Prove that the omega effect that comes out of his eyes are different than the omega beams.

Who cares what they are called (semantics)? The point is that DS can use the beams for different effects. Why are you still arguing about nothing? If you have a point then make it. Stop being elusive. Now before you respond to my post please read all of it. I'm pretty sure my last sentences will shock you and maybe force a concession from me.

I have never said different. I just said that your assumption that feats only count from the same comic are god damned retarded.

That, in addition to Quasar saying he can make his shields stronger.
http://imageshack.us/f/842/pf2h.jpg/

So yeah, you have no point.

I know he can make them stronger as to why I referenced the Gladiator feat when he said he made them especially strong that time. Gladiator still busted through a strong quasar shield.

Where do you see Warlock's green aura in this blast?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Quasar-38-16.jpg

It's in the panel after. Where you see both Warlock and Thanos smoking with energy from firing.

It really doesn't matter what Quasar's power level was considering the full powered heroes failed to break it and Thanos one shotted it. Quasar could have been amped by the IG or weakened to the point of not being able to stand. It makes no difference. But Quasar's strong shields have held up find against strong forces before so him holding off the heroes isn't surprising.

But what you don't understand is that the heroes don't stack here. Basically you can only use the strongest character hitting the shield as the basis of the feat. They were hitting out of cadence and in different spots and thus their hits don't stack.

If you believe it does stack then they means the shield was weakening since each hit was after the other. So Thanos blasted a weakened shield.

Choose.

But no, Thor didn't try to break the shield... oh wait, here's Drax hitting it too.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Quasar-38-13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Quasar-38-14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Quasar-38-15.jpg

They were hitting the single small construct everywhere. It doesn't matter where they were hitting it, considering they were combining their power into one solid object. You're lowballing again.
Plus, the first part has Thor and Hulk hitting really close to each other so that theory sucks anyway

I covered this above. You have to make a choice. Either after each hit the shield is 100% normal or each hit after the other results in greater damage to the shield. If the latter then the shield is weakened.

No it can't. Like I said, there was no green blast in there. Not to mention that Warlock wouldn't have added more than Hulk would have anyway.

"All my doppleganger was is now part of me, including the Magus' insights on my inner self"

"Once again Thanos of titan is WHOLE!"

But yes, Thanos just ate some butterfly and it gave him knowledge or enlightenment...

I'm not sure if you are serious or being sarcastic. It can be interpreted as gaining his knowledge back or something.

It's the same thing. It's the same thing with his energy beams, vaporization, or the erasing effect. It's the same as a powerful blast vaporizing, or hurting someone. It's difference in power of blasts and the opponent.

His matter manipulation, and teleportation however are different.

It's not the same thing. In some comics they explain being erased from existence. It's also in all of DS bios for crying out loud. They all specifically mention all the different effects DS can do. Which include disintegration and erasing separately.
You are the only person who has actually argued that being disintegrated or damaged is the same as being erased. You are the first that I know of to do this.

So you'd view it in reverse for Thanos blasting Darkseid then? If so many heroes can't touch the shield, then surely he'd wipe out Darkseid, no?
But lol at saying Darkseid one shots Thanos just because Superman tried to punch the missiles once and shoot it with HV that didn't work because they were designed to take the heat of re-entry. Which wouldn't fly with current Superman.
Clearly we should ignore what Thanos has taken. Clearly we should ignore Superman taking the OBs many many times. Which shouldn't be possible considering he can "scratch" himself. The OBs are powerful yes, but there is absolutely no way it's one shotting Thanos.

Thanos can indeed damage DS with his blasts. But at a lesser level than what DS beams can damage Thanos with.

If we average out the OB's power then no DS isn't not going to oneshot Thanos (The same goes for Thanos). But if we use the power shown in that comic then yes. IMO, the OB in that scan was average for DS. Any lesser showing later (Superman tanking the beams) can be attributed to either Superman being much more powerful or just a low showing or just an avatar of DS.

Let's be reasonable. Choose between the following and we can go from there.

1. DS blast should normally be able disintegrate objects that Superman can't damage at all.
2. DS blast should not be able to disintegrate objects that Superman can't damage at all but they are still powerful enough to damage Thanos or any high herald level being with consistency.

If you choose 2. then I accept that DS is not one shotting Thanos with those beams and agree that team 1 wins solidly since DS hardly uses the erasing effect and bfr is off in this thread (DS can bfr Hulk and Gladiator instantly)

Lol.

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
I've already provided logic here
Galactus owns any type of OB attack right(wether it be erasion, vaporizing, concussisve'

Imo he'd tank & then pimp slap darkseid

But a well nourished galactus had to exert himself to break thanos' sheild (if thanos gets his sheild the OB is fodder because a well nourished galactus exerting himself to break thanos' shield > OB)
Then when he eventually did break the shield thanos energy blasted him halfway across a planet,(energy blast from his hands)

Imo if thanos has his shield he tanks the ob pretty easily, if he doesn't have it, he takes it but its gonna hurt,

@ h1a8 thanos is weaker now after his resurrection? I hope you don't mean after death banned him from the afterlife, because he came back a lot stronger and more powerful, which is why he challenged odin and took everything he gave him, so ur incorrect

He can't die but his durability has been less since then (he can be koed easier). Just look at his appearances after and you will see. Remember Thanos might was due to being an eternal, amp from Death, quasi mystical means, bionic amplification (tech). When Thanos came back he logically only should have kept his eternal makeup with Death amp. The resurrection doesn't have to bring his tech back or the mystical means that increased him.

We can't know for sure if this is inconsistent writing until further appearances. If Thanos continues to get hurt easily by herald level forces or below then we must accept that he is weaker than before the resurrection.

Originally posted by h1a8
He can't die but his durability has been less since then (he can be koed easier). Just look at his appearances after and you will see. Remember Thanos might was due to being an eternal, amp from Death, quasi mystical means, bionic amplification (tech). When Thanos came back he logically only should have kept his eternal makeup with Death amp. The resurrection doesn't have to bring his tech back or the mystical means that increased him.

We can't know for sure if this is inconsistent writing until further appearances. If Thanos continues to get hurt easily by herald level forces or below then we must accept that he is weaker than before the resurrection.

The combine attacks(all out) of the three all fathers odin zeus and osiris didn't even faze arishem, now, galactus is above arishem, especially a nourished galactus as it was when he fought thanos, and thanos energy blasted him halfway across a planet, which means thanos' energy blast > the three all fathers combined attack, and thanos' shield was strong enough it made galactus, exert himself, basically, he actually had to try, galactus owns the OB in every aspect, thanos petty much gave him a decent challenge something the OB couldn't do imo

Originally posted by h1a8
He can't die but his durability has been less since then (he can be koed easier). Just look at his appearances after and you will see. Remember Thanos might was due to being an eternal, amp from Death, quasi mystical means, bionic amplification (tech). When Thanos came back he logically only should have kept his eternal makeup with Death amp. The resurrection doesn't have to bring his tech back or the mystical means that increased him.

We can't know for sure if this is inconsistent writing until further appearances. If Thanos continues to get hurt easily by herald level forces or below then we must accept that he is weaker than before the resurrection.

The combine attacks(all out) of the three all fathers odin zeus and osiris didn't even faze arishem, now, galactus is above arishem, especially a nourished galactus as it was when he fought thanos, and thanos energy blasted him halfway across a planet, which means thanos' energy blast > the three all fathers combined attack, and thanos' shield was strong enough it made galactus, exert himself, basically, he actually had to try, galactus owns the OB in every aspect, thanos petty much gave him a decent challenge something the OB couldn't do imo

So basically,
Thanos > combine all father attacks > OB
Galactus(quite easily) > OB
Thanos made galactus actually exert himself to break his shield
And then thanos blasted him halfway across a planet
So the OB is fodder to thanos, especially if he has his sheild
Galactus would have held those to missiles and turned them into tooth picks to clear his mouth from all the rocky debris of planets he'd ate

So thanos beats arkseid no matter what

Originally posted by h1a8
Who cares what they are called (semantics)? The point is that DS can use the beams for different effects. Why are you still arguing about nothing? If you have a point then make it. Stop being elusive. Now before you respond to my post please read all of it. I'm pretty sure my last sentences will shock you and maybe force a concession from me.

The OB is the same thing as the OE. If the OB does something, that doesn't mean that he's got a more powerful attack in store. He's got the same attack with a fancier name.

Yeah, that'll happen... considering the end of your post is the only possibilities you can think of.

Originally posted by h1a8
I know he can make them stronger as to why I referenced the Gladiator feat when he said he made them especially strong that time. Gladiator still busted through a strong quasar shield.

Gladiator flexing and breaking a shield isn't the same as Four characters just as powerful as Gladiator and many many other heroes failing to break a shield.

Hell, I'm pretty sure Drax had the Power Gem at the time too.

Stop lowballing.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's in the panel after. Where you see both Warlock and Thanos smoking with energy from firing.

Especially when we see no trace at all of his vividly green aura inside the blast that broke the shield. Nor does a karmic blast from something that attacks the soul sound like a rather useful tactic for destroying a shield.

Originally posted by h1a8
But what you don't understand is that the heroes don't stack here. Basically you can only use the strongest character hitting the shield as the basis of the feat. They were hitting out of cadence and in different spots and thus their hits don't stack.

If you believe it does stack then they means the shield was weakening since each hit was after the other. So Thanos blasted a weakened shield.

Choose.

That doesn't mean that at all though. Since the shield was never stated to be weakened, and you believe that the shield either breaks or it doesn't.

Originally posted by h1a8
I covered this above. You have to make a choice. Either after each hit the shield is 100% normal or each hit after the other results in greater damage to the shield. If the latter then the shield is weakened.

[b] This is professor Hulk we are talking about. I'm pretty sure Warlock has some decent power output feats of his own. After all he is still herald level.

Professor Hulk was strong as shit. You being pretty sure doesn't mean anything. Warlock would not have added anymore than Hulk did.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not sure if you are serious or being sarcastic. It can be interpreted as gaining his knowledge back or something.

But you're of the opinion that eating everything about a clone would somehow only give knowledge. The massive amount of power stored within the clone must have just become knowledge when he ate it.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's not the same thing. In some comics they explain being erased from existence. It's also in all of DS bios for crying out loud. They all specifically mention all the different effects DS can do. Which include disintegration and erasing separately.
You are the only person who has actually argued that being disintegrated or damaged is the same as being erased. You are the first that I know of to do this.

Prove they end up being erased as opposed to killed. Prove the bios differentiate from erasing, and disintegration, prove the comics explain being erased from existence.

If it's just an erasing effect, then it shouldn't damage anyone and he should be able to just wipe anyone out. Like Imperiex, Anti-Monitor. Unless it has to do with durability, and just turns into a "normal attack" when it can't "erase"

Not that it matters much, considering Darkseid has never "erased" anyone with Thanos' durability.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos can indeed damage DS with his blasts. But at a lesser level than what DS beams can damage Thanos with.

If we average out the OB's power then no DS isn't not going to oneshot Thanos (The same goes for Thanos). But if we use the power shown in that comic then yes. IMO, the OB in that scan was average for DS. Any lesser showing later (Superman tanking the beams) can be attributed to either Superman being much more powerful or just a low showing.

Let's be reasonable. Choose between the following and we can go from there.

1. DS blast should normally be able disintegrate objects that Superman can't damage at all.
2. DS blast should not be able to disintegrate objects that Superman can't damage at all but they are still powerful enough to damage Thanos or any high herald level being with consistency.

If you choose 2. then I accept that DS is not one shotting Thanos with those beams and agree that team 1 wins solidly since DS hardly uses the erasing effect and bfr is off in this thread (DS can bfr Hulk and Gladiator instantly)

If we use the power shown in that comic, then Darkseid isn't ****ing one shotting Thanos. He failed to kill Doomsday. He needed two shots to take out Cyborg Superman in random Apok metal.
And then we also ignore Thanos taking shots from Galactus level beings on multiple occasions, as well as tanking shots that disintegrated Magus.

Of course it's because Superman is more powerful. And no those aren't low showings, considering Superman's done it... a lot, and Superman was weaker in HP then he was when he started actually being able to fight Darkseid. If we write those off as low showings, then you're ignoring a decent chunk of Superman's history with Darkseid in favor of a 20 year old showing where surviving the heat of re-entry was enough to stop Superman's hv. Superman was weaker there by a decent amount.
There's also the part where Darkseid WAS more powerful than Superman in that series by a sizable amount. That is clearly not the case up to Flashpoint. And we also have Superman's HV deflecting the OE in a fight Darkseid was trying to win.

If you want to call it a low showing though, I'd like to see you go into a Darkseid vs Superman thread and state that Superman taking the beams doesn't count because it's a lesser showing.

Or it's neither of those. Which it is.
Unless we're under the impression that Darkseid could utterly destroy something that pre Flashpoint Superman couldn't so much as scratch. Darkseid one shotting missiles is irrelevant to impressive Superman's powers, and also doesn't mean anything considering Thanos' durability.

Simply Darkseid destroying missiles is not in any shape or form proof that he could one shot Thanos, and it's absolutely retarded to think otherwise. I can't believe this is supposed to be the toppling feat between the two.

Originally posted by h1a8
He can't die but his durability has been less since then (he can be koed easier). Just look at his appearances after and you will see. Remember Thanos might was due to being an eternal, amp from Death, quasi mystical means, bionic amplification (tech). When Thanos came back he logically only should have kept his eternal makeup with Death amp. The resurrection doesn't have to bring his tech back or the mystical means that increased him.

We can't know for sure if this is inconsistent writing until further appearances. If Thanos continues to get hurt easily by herald level forces or below then we must accept that he is weaker than before the resurrection.

That makes no sense. Thanos was the exact same as he was at the end of Imperative as he was in the Avengers series. The only way he could have lost amps from Imperative is if he actively depowered himself, and Death depowered him... off panel.

If he wasn't a clone, but I digress.

Well, that's irrelevant to the now. Thanos could be written as a Spider-Man level foe for the next twenty years and it still has no basis on right now.

Okay answer this question

How would the OB/OE fair against galactus?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because you're outright stating that the OBs are weaker.
Yet you can't prove a difference between them, which was a strong point you tried to make.

The OB is the same thing as the OE. If the OB does something, that doesn't mean that he's got a more powerful attack in store. He's got the same attack with a fancier name.

Yeah, that'll happen... considering the end of your post is the only possibilities you can think of.

The OE is the name of the power that Uxas obtained ahead of his brother. It's the name of the total power DS has. With this power he can release beams from his eyes (sometimes called the omega beams) that can do various effects. He can erase a being, disintegrate a being, teleport a being, etc.

And his shield was stronger than the Gladiator one obviously.
Unless you think Gladiator flexing > Thor, Drax and Hulk actively trying to break a shield (and this is using your logic that absolutely no extra power would be put forth with that many heroes).

Gladiator flexing and breaking a shield isn't the same as Four characters just as powerful as Gladiator and many many other heroes failing to break a shield.

Hell, I'm pretty sure Drax had the Power Gem at the time too.

Stop lowballing.

I never saw Thor even attack the shield. What are you talking about?

The shield being stronger in that case vs. in Gladiators case makes no more sense than the Heroes being weaker than Gladiator as a whole (and that's if we accept that their strikes stacked). Whose lowballing? You are the king of lowballing D.C. comic feats (feats of Superman, WW, flash, etc.) It's clear you are bias. You champion disproving D.C. feats. I never seen you once champion a D.C. character over Marvel unless it's spite.

Warlock flaring up his gem does not mean he just fired an attack.

Especially when we see no trace at all of his vividly green aura inside the blast that broke the shield. Nor does a karmic blast from something that attacks the soul sound like a rather useful tactic for destroying a shield.

The color of the blast was with mostly white. The brightness could have hid the true color. Plus whose to say what color would come out if two blasts mixed? This isn't real science here. Show me an instance of Warlock's gem smoltering like that before he even blasts. Usually a character would glow or something before firing, not smolter (like after firing).

They were hitting a rather small shield with over a dozen heroes, and many in the same "spot" (like Hulk and Thor in the first attack).

That doesn't mean that at all though. Since the shield was never stated to be weakened, and you believe that the shield either breaks or it doesn't.

The shield was never stated to be weakened. There is no latter.

Professor Hulk was strong as shit. You being pretty sure doesn't mean anything. Warlock would not have added anymore than Hulk did.

No one hit the same spot. Are you losing it? Even if they did it clearly wasn't at the same time. Again where is Thor attacking the shield?

If it takes X amount of force to crack something and each hit is is less than that then

a) 100 hits is not going to do anything if the object doesn't weaken after each hit. Each hit returns the shield back to normal like nothing ever happened. So two hits don't stack since after the first hit the shield was 100% normal like nothing ever happened.

b) 100 hits will do something if the object weakens after each hit.

Now if they all hit the thing at the same time then you would have a point.
This is not rocket science.

He outright says that all that the doppleganger was is now part of him. You know, considering he ate the entirety of his clone...

But you're of the opinion that eating everything about a clone would somehow only give knowledge. The massive amount of power stored within the clone must have just become knowledge when he ate it.

This is a theory. We don't see an increase in power after Thanos ate the butterfly. His feats prior to that is superior than the feats afterwards. Let's just agree to disagree here. Comics don't work the way you are implying if the writer doesn't make it clear enough.

So prove it then.

Prove they end up being erased as opposed to killed. Prove the bios differentiate from erasing, and disintegration, prove the comics explain being erased from existence.

If it's just an erasing effect, then it shouldn't damage anyone and he should be able to just wipe anyone out. Like Imperiex, Anti-Monitor. Unless it has to do with durability, and just turns into a "normal attack" when it can't "erase"

Not that it matters much, considering Darkseid has never "erased" anyone with Thanos' durability.

tbh I would need help to prove it. I simply don't have the comics. This is where Philo, abhi, Juntai, etc. would do wonders. It's almost like you are asking me to prove something that should be common sense. Sure I will admit different writers might have a different interpretation. But that doesn't mean DS was never stated or shown to ERASE someone from existence (or it being explained that way in comics).

Durability has nothing to do with being erased no more than it has to do with being teleported. I don't recall DS ever failing to erase someone with the beams when he tried.

That doesn't make any sense considering Thanos' feat against the shield is vastly more impressive.

If we use the power shown in that comic, then Darkseid isn't ****ing one shotting Thanos. He failed to kill Doomsday. He needed two shots to take out Cyborg Superman in random Apok metal.
And then we also ignore Thanos taking shots from Galactus level beings on multiple occasions, as well as tanking shots that disintegrated Magus.

Of course it's because Superman is more powerful. And no those aren't low showings, considering Superman's done it... a lot, and Superman was weaker in HP then he was when he started actually being able to fight Darkseid. If we write those off as low showings, then you're ignoring a decent chunk of Superman's history with Darkseid in favor of a 20 year old showing where surviving the heat of re-entry was enough to stop Superman's hv. Superman was weaker there by a decent amount.
There's also the part where Darkseid WAS more powerful than Superman in that series by a sizable amount. That is clearly not the case up to Flashpoint. And we also have Superman's HV deflecting the OE in a fight Darkseid was trying to win.

Superman experience a power surge before the comic came out. He hit Lobo into space with ease. That Superman wasn't that much weaker. Byrne's Superman IMO is still superior to most if not each one of those heroes in power.

Superman's hv deflecting the beams doesn't mean much (is a mirror equal to a laser?). If that is the case then any two characters who cancel out blasts are equals in blasting power. That means Gladiator = Tyrant in blasting power.

If you want to call it a low showing though, I'd like to see you go into a Darkseid vs Superman thread and state that Superman taking the beams doesn't count because it's a lesser showing.

Or it's neither of those. Which it is.
Unless we're under the impression that Darkseid could utterly destroy something that pre Flashpoint Superman couldn't so much as scratch. Darkseid one shotting missiles is irrelevant to impressive Superman's powers, and also doesn't mean anything considering Thanos' durability.

Simply Darkseid destroying missiles is not in any shape or form proof that he could one shot Thanos, and it's absolutely retarded to think otherwise. I can't believe this is supposed to be the toppling feat between the two.

So is it retarded to assume that HP Superman couldn't put a scratch on Thanos if he used all of his might?

H1, Superman was amped when he punched Lobo out of orbit.

Like he can't replicate that feat without an amp.

Anyway this thread has been decided for me.

Arrows > Thanos.

GG

He probably could but that ft shouldn't be used as evidence for the argument that's going on between the two.

I'm pretty sure he can, but yah.

Also when will your lazy ass go see the movie? uhuh

Considering Superman got a bunch of amps after, it really shouldn't be an issue.

Originally posted by h1a8
The OE is the name of the power that Uxas obtained ahead of his brother. It's the name of the total power DS has. With this power he can release beams from his eyes (sometimes called the omega beams) that can do various effects. He can erase a being, disintegrate a being, teleport a being, etc. [b]

Originally posted by h1a8
I never saw Thor even attack the shield. What are you talking about?

The shield being stronger in that case vs. in Gladiators case makes no more sense than the Heroes being weaker than Gladiator as a whole (and that's if we accept that their strikes stacked). Whose lowballing? You are the king of lowballing D.C. comic feats (feats of Superman, WW, flash, etc.) It's clear you are bias. You champion disproving D.C. feats. I never seen you once champion a D.C. character over Marvel unless it's spite.

It doesn't matter if it makes sense. One shield held off the most powerful heroes. One shield got broke by Gladiator flexing. Stop being stupid.
But again, clearly one shield was more powerful than the other, which is possible considering you know, Quasar can make his shields stronger.

Good job accusing me of lowballing when you brought up Gladiator flexing and breaking Quasar's shield.

But yes, disproving feats is me lowballing. And lol at WW, and Flash. It's Superman. And you know why it's Superman? Because you and one other... blatantly lie about almost everything about him, and then lowball the opposite characte. It's like saying everyone on the forum had a Hulk hatred because Carver lied about all his feats. I don't hate DC because you make shit up about "DC characters" all the time. I hate people being wrong. Which is you. 100 percent of the time. If you liked any Marvel character, it'd be the same thing. You make people prove you wrong because what you say is blatantly wrong. You being fixated on making sure you're wrong on certain characters doesn't mean I hate them.

And B... (best if you not know who they are actually) are some of my favorite characters ever, and my absolute least favorite character by far is from Marvel, along with a lot of other not liked ones. Thank God you somehow know even less about those characters than the ones you think you know.

Originally posted by h1a8
The color of the blast was with mostly white. The brightness could have hid the true color. Plus whose to say what color would come out if two blasts mixed? This isn't real science here. Show me an instance of Warlock's gem smoltering like that before he even blasts. Usually a character would glow or something before firing, not smolter (like after firing). [b]

Why are you asking me to prove something when I've repeatedly posted many scans and everytime I ask you to prove something, you make more shit up?

But anyway, from the same comic, here Quasar says that it looks like Warlock's gem is about to go off.

http://i40.tinypic.com/dxcwfp.jpg

You'll also notice how it's VISIBLY green

Originally posted by h1a8
No one hit the same spot. Are you losing it? Even if they did it clearly wasn't at the same time. Again where is Thor attacking the shield?

Same general area as Hulk hit.

Originally posted by h1a8
If it takes X amount of force to crack something and each hit is is less than that then

a) 100 hits is not going to do anything if the object doesn't weaken after each hit. Each hit returns the shield back to normal like nothing ever happened. So two hits don't stack since after the first hit the shield was 100% normal like nothing ever happened.

b) 100 hits will do something if the object weakens after each hit.

Now if they all hit the thing at the same time then you would have a point.
This is not rocket science.

So if they all hit the thing at the same time? Like this?

You literally just walk into things. On purpose? Who can be sure really at this stage.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a theory. We don't see an increase in power after Thanos ate the butterfly. His feats prior to that is superior than the feats afterwards. Let's just agree to disagree here. Comics don't work the way you are implying if the writer doesn't make it clear enough. [b]

Comics do work that way though.

Originally posted by h1a8
tbh I would need help to prove it. I simply don't have the comics. This is where Philo, abhi, Juntai, etc. would do wonders. It's almost like you are asking me to prove something that should be common sense. Sure I will admit different writers might have a different interpretation. But that doesn't mean DS was never stated or shown to ERASE someone from existence (or it being explained that way in comics).

Durability has nothing to do with being erased no more than it has to do with being teleported. I don't recall DS ever failing to erase someone with the beams when he tried.[b]
DD is more durable than those missiles. Do you see what you are doing? You are using showings to interpret showings. If that is the case then why is Quasar's shield against Gladiator weaker when he explicitly said he made it very strong?[b]

If durability has nothing to do with being erased, then again using these examples, why didn't he erase Imperiex when he wanted him dead, why didn't he erase Anti-Monitor when he wanted him dead?

Well, if YOU don't recall, then I guess we can call it an open and shit case. The guy who can't see a large hammer can't recall if Darkseid failed to erase someone. This is it gents, it never happened!

And DD, and Cyborg Superman haven't the feats to be more durable than Thanos.
I'm using showings to interpret showings? OK.
You're using one single feat to say Darkseid can kill Thanos while ignoring all of Thanos, and Darkseid's other feats.

Because Gladiator isn't more powerful than Thor, Drax, and Hulk separately. Let alone all at once. But yes, Thanos' feat isn't impressive because Gladiator flexed and broke it. Let's ignore the same shield tanking multiple heroes. Great logic.
Very strong does not mean a shield that can hold off many of the top heroes.

You really think lowballing is the answer when Mary Marvel has tanked the OE?

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman experience a power surge before the comic came out. He hit Lobo into space with ease. That Superman wasn't that much weaker. Byrne's Superman IMO is still superior to most if not each one of those heroes in power.

Superman's hv deflecting the beams doesn't mean much (is a mirror equal to a laser?). If that is the case then any two characters who cancel out blasts are equals in blasting power. That means Gladiator = Tyrant in blasting power. [b] If Superman that tanked the beams is that much more powerful than HP Superman then it's not a low showing. So HP Superman is still superior to each being anyway. So it's makes no difference.[b]

And no, I'm not saying Superman was weak by any stretch of the imagination (although stronger than each hero there is not right). I'm saying he was clearly not at the levels he was at when he became capable of giving Darkseid a fight.

lol at the mirror vs laser example.
Why would you even try to lowball Tyrant here?
But this is retarded considering that's wrong anyway. It showed the blasts hitting, and the next time we see Gladiator he's laying on the ground saying he's not done yet. That's not stalemating.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9683/silversurferv3082205rcnw3.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3262/silversurferv3082223oaip3.jpg

Although HP Superman being stronger than every hero there as a single is irrelevant considering he's a flea compared to every character there.

Originally posted by h1a8
So is it retarded to assume that HP Superman couldn't put a scratch on Thanos if he used all of his might?

But yes, Darkseid erases Thanos who has tanked a blast from the Cosmic Cube.

"BUT SUPERMAN COULDN'T SCRATCH THEM!!!"

It's crazy how much stuff you lie about that has to be disproven. Like, this has to be trolling.

T1 FTW

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If you can quote wiki, then why is it a problem for you to find a scan differentiating the beams from the effect that he shoots from his eyes?

Yeah, Thor just stood there doing nothing. But if you didn't see it...

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The problem with you is that you must learn to get to the point of what you are trying to say. Stop babbling and using terrible sarcasm. It comes off as "what?"
I disagree here. Quasar know who Gladiator is. That's why we made his shield especially strong. Yet Gladiator easily broke them. There is a vast difference here. This is irrelevant though since it doesn't help my case or yours if me or you are right. So I'm dropping this part of the argument. You can reply to it if you want I want respond.

Yet you don't show the same vigilance towards discrediting a Marvel feat. You just remain silent about it. This is bias when you choose this way. It's not just me but any D.C. fan you do this to.

It was ****ing purple and white. Not green and white. What does that tell you?

Why are you asking me to prove something when I've repeatedly posted many scans and everytime I ask you to prove something, you make more shit up?

But anyway, from the same comic, here Quasar says that it looks like Warlock's gem is about to go off.

http://i40.tinypic.com/dxcwfp.jpg

You'll also notice how it's VISIBLY green

Am I losing it... you can't even see an obvious hammer. Your trolling is getting out of hand.

Same general area as Hulk hit.

Two beams mixing together can be any color in comics. There is no science to this. Ok thanks for showing Warlocks gem smoltering before firing. I concede here.

But you have to admit that you do have slow moments. Like right here. Why in the hell would I say that I don't see Thor attacking if I did? Really? You never known me to blatantly lie when the scan is shown for all to see (I don't lie ever on here, saying false things is not lying). That's really dumb to even say I'm trolling. Trolling implies 'on purpose'. If I saw the damn hammer I wouldn't have said the shit. This is common sense. Think next time.

Thor and Hulk didn't hit in the same spot. Sorry but that is true.

Or there is absolute no instance of it being said to weaken, or show any damage at all. So there's you know that. False logic won't change the lack of any semblance of evidence.

So if they all hit the thing at the same time? Like this?

You literally just walk into things. On purpose? Who can be sure really at this stage.

So Hulk and Hercules hit at the same time. So Thanos basically did something both Hulk and Hercules couldn't do together. Impressive. But Superman is stronger than either but not necessarily both at the same time.

But wait! Almost everyone's hits has the same pink and white color as Thanos blast. Now do you see that the color of the blast is not an indication of Thanos but rather the artist style for showing great impact on the shield?

Immediately after Thanos absorbs the butterfly he walks up to Magus, gets up from Magus forces him to bow, moves Magus' head with a punch, and takes a couple punches and a blast from the IG.
So yeah, that kind of happened.

Comics do work that way though.

If you can't prove it, then stop saying it. Yeah, just like the OB being different than the OE, and Superman only surviving it because he's important to the universe. That was common sense at one point.
Unfortunately, I don't accept forum myths that I haven't seen evidence for. Especially not from you.

I did prove it. The OE is the name of DS power. The actual beams coming from his eyes are sometimes called the omega beams. The Omega beams can have various effects. We are arguing semantics again. The argument shouldn't be what something is called but rather were the beams shown or stated to have both the disintegrating ability and the erasing effect.

If durability has nothing to do with being erased, then again using these examples, why didn't he erase Imperiex when he wanted him dead, why didn't he erase Anti-Monitor when he wanted him dead?

Comics are stupid at times. Why didn't Gladiator uppercut Hulk into space and tried to carry him there? Why didn't Surfer hit Thor when Thor was floating without the hammer? Why didn't Surfer use his ftl reflexes and speeds to avoid Thanos or Thor from walking up to him and wailing on him?

Different writers probably have different interpretations of what the OE can do. Just like some writers have Juggs with a forcefield and others don't. DS probably didn't have erasing powers but rather disintegrating or damaging powers when he struck Imperiex or Anti-Monitor.

Well, if YOU don't recall, then I guess we can call it an open and shit case. The guy who can't see a large hammer can't recall if Darkseid failed to erase someone. This is it gents, it never happened!

I'm sticking to what I said though. Durability doesn't protect you from being erased no more than it protects you from being teleported. Durability protects you from being damaged.

And DD, and Cyborg Superman haven't the feats to be more durable than Thanos.
I'm using showings to interpret showings? OK.
You're using one single feat to say Darkseid can kill Thanos while ignoring all of Thanos, and Darkseid's other feats.

DD is more durable than Thanos in everyway. He has the feats. The OB feat is sufficient. Thanos is more durable than Superman in energy projection but not blunt or cutting force.

You are using the Quasar feat while ignoring Thanos other showings (not feats) as well. Anyway DS erases Thanos. Is that better? Screw disintegrating him.

Because Gladiator isn't more powerful than Thor, Drax, and Hulk separately. Let alone all at once. But yes, Thanos' feat isn't impressive because Gladiator flexed and broke it. Let's ignore the same shield tanking multiple heroes. Great logic.
Very strong does not mean a shield that can hold off many of the top heroes.

You really think lowballing is the answer when Mary Marvel has tanked the OE?

When did Mary Marvel tank the OE? Are you getting help through private messages?

What else did he do? Can you name some more feats there h1 by yourself?

And no, I'm not saying Superman was weak by any stretch of the imagination (although stronger than each hero there is not right). I'm saying he was clearly not at the levels he was at when he became capable of giving Darkseid a fight.

lol at the mirror vs laser example.
Why would you even try to lowball Tyrant here?
But this is retarded considering that's wrong anyway. It showed the blasts hitting, and the next time we see Gladiator he's laying on the ground saying he's not done yet. That's not stalemating.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9683/silversurferv3082205rcnw3.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3262/silversurferv3082223oaip3.jpg

I didnt lowball Tyrant. If his blast was shown to match Gladiator's blast then by your logic they were equals right? That's the logic you are using for superman's hv matching the OB right?

Ok so Tyrant won the exchange. was that scene immediately after the initial blasting?

Although HP Superman being stronger than every hero there as a single is irrelevant considering he's a flea compared to every character there.

If Superman punched him once, and shot his HV that was comparable to the heat of re-entry? I don't see why Thanos couldn't leave without a scratch.

But yes, Darkseid erases Thanos who has tanked a blast from the Cosmic Cube.

"BUT SUPERMAN COULDN'T SCRATCH THEM!!!"

It's crazy how much stuff you lie about that has to be disproven. Like, this has to be trolling.

If HP Superman attacked Thanos when he would leave more than a scratch on him. I admit the HV might not harm Thanos though but Superman's punches will.

Again being erased has nothing to do with durability.

Finally, you are so smart that you don't even know what lying is or trolling.
This is amazing.

A lie is something done intentionally to deceive.
Trolling is done intentionally.

Don't mistake lying or trolling for stupidness or unintentional error. You would then be stupid.

Let's shorten the argument. This is getting out of hand.

You disagree that DS can't erase Thanos
since
1. Durability affects ability to be erased
2. DS has no erasing powers but rather disintegrating powers
3. DS disintegrating power in a forum fight is less than what was shown against the missiles.

Am I right?