Why do people here take Jacque Fresco's work as a not serious/not plausible society?

It is more plausible and efficient than the whole global economy.

And you're not taking it seriously! Seriously?

The best way I can describe TVP (The Venus Project), is the city 01 from the Animatrix's "The Second Renaissance Part II" bit.

It was separated, ostracized from the humans who liked to put AI to work as slaves, when it turned out they were just plain better and what a waste of the amazing technological liberating potential of these "slaves".

So they left, and created 01. 01's technologically superior productivity and sales overseas to us stupid humans saw it take over the world, 01 overcame all human nations in GDP overnight.

Humans got all jealous and pissed off, and instead of going with the change, they decided to star a nuclear war, and all they did was halt so much good that could have been.

Jacque isn't a joke, what he is talking about is very similar, except the slaves aren't AI, they're the majority of humans slaving under the big dollar bill - and the small portion of us who benefit from the chaos of free-enterprise are the jealous incompetent humans making things worse each and every day they don't replace GM with flying cars.

We could have started the Venus project, pragmatically I might add, FIFTY, I say 50 years ago. America had planned on making Super Particle Acceleraters and transcontinental, subterranean vac train 700 mph systems that could have changed the world back in the 1960s.

Noppe.

Anyway I'm referring to Symmetric Chaos and his past musings about Jacque Fresco. SM probably didn't know about Jacque Fresco, yet he was one of many people I brought up in another thread who SM blindly said were morons full of bs.

You're gonna need to elaborate, SM. I believe Oliver North and a few other members here have the same position as SM.

You might as well have just named ON and Sym by name in the title and used this as your OP:

The list would have included you and a few others.

And this isn't about anybody in particular, it's about technocracy (not neo-democracy like Greece) being pushed into the dark.

Originally posted by Dolos
The list would have included you and a few others.

And this isn't about anybody in particular, it's about technocracy (not neo-democracy like Greece) being pushed into the dark.

I'm not even sure they or you would disagree with me if you gave my sources the light of day.

This thread is complicated, I don't know what it's about.

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Originally posted by soopercavell
This thread is complicated, I don't know what it's about.

Originally posted by Dolos
The list would have included you and a few others.

And this isn't about anybody in particular, it's about technocracy (not neo-democracy like Greece) being pushed into the dark.

Me, too? Would it be me? Oh I hope so, I hope so very much.

One of the problem with the Venus Project, or more specifically its adherents, is how they gloss over almost all real life problems their ideas have with "technology will solve it". And that is naive. There are huge changes going to happen because of technology, but we should look at it in a real context, not a childish and utopian lens.

Originally posted by Bardock42
There are huge changes going to happen because of technology, but we should look at it in a real context, not a childish and utopian lens.

You don't know what you are talking about.

This part of your quote is pure ignorance of everything I've written in this thread.

We are at a point, technologically, where money and labor + managerial jobs could be made obsolete along with business and politics all-together.

The only human jobs would be the design-phase.

Originally posted by Dolos
You don't know what you are talking about.

This part of your quote is pure ignorance of everything I've written in this thread.

Fair enough, your argumentation and the breadth of evidence you presented convinced me, I concede.

You are too skeptical.

We lack the facts here, you lack the agricultural understanding even if we had the sketches.

I'm just saying, maybe it is that 'out there'. I mean, what if it is?

I think that's the very problem since we had the technology, we cannot organize it as a nation, only as small groups such as Jacque's. This community will eventually build a city, if it works, it could build funding.

This could change the world. What we're looking at here, might not be a joke. It could end up being the precursor to the first global civilization.

This is the first I've heard of the Venus Project, my first thought was of the Mars Society due to the similar name, but this sounds even less realistic than that.

Have you heard of the Reddit Island project, Dolos?

We are not anywhere close to that point. What in the world makes you think we are? Who is going to manufacture all the iPhones, clothes, chairs we need? Who's going to mine the resources? It's not going to be robots, cause we don't have any that can do it yet. Robots can be very useful, but generally it has to be with human supervision or aiding the human doing something. Foxconn would love to throw out all its workers and exchange them with machines, but they can't. Self driving cars are on the horizon, but the foremost experts on them have a goal of 20 years in the future.

We are not at a point where we can do this, and when we'll ever be.

The world may very well change as this actually becomes more feasible, but it's not going to be the Venus Project changing it.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
...this sounds...[un]realistic...

It 'sounds' unrealistic?

Do tell.

Originally posted by Dolos
It 'sounds' unrealistic?

Do tell.

Originally posted by Bardock42
We are not anywhere close to that point. What in the world makes you think we are? Who is going to manufacture all the iPhones, clothes, chairs we need? Who's going to mine the resources?

Autonomous systems, controlled by cybernated networks, monitoring and accounting for the sufficient resources.

It's not going to be robots, cause we don't have any that can do it yet.

I'm not convinced.

Robots can be very useful, but generally it has to be with human supervision or aiding the human doing something. Foxconn would love to throw out all its workers and exchange them with machines, but they can't. Self driving cars are on the horizon, but the foremost experts on them have a goal of 20 years in the future.

Wouldn't be so sure about that. We have nano-processors, on the brink of quantum computers.

As for developing these systems, yes, people will be making them. Design-phase jobs will be the only human jobs, probably 4 days a week, for 4 hours a day. The rest of the day we can go chill.

We are not at a point where we can do this, and when we'll ever be.

What?

I think small groups of people making functional systems, or cities like these are a good start.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Are you trying some postmodernist debate tactic here?

What's so unrealistic about that kind of technology?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Are you trying some postmodernist debate tactic here?

Do Wilhelm Tell!

(Weimarer Klassik debate tactic)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Do Wilhelm Tell!

(Weimarer Klassik debate tactic)

Pretty much.

Pretty far from postmodernist debating. That would be, [the sum of argument] minus [fact], written in coded matrices.