Why do people here take Jacque Fresco's work as a not serious/not plausible society?

Originally posted by Dolos
What if there is no fix to the human condition?

you just criticized OV and Bardock for being pessimists...

also, my choice wouldn't be to make things more unequal and increase suffering

Originally posted by Dolos
This is where my posthumanism stance emerges.

because technology = magic

Originally posted by Dolos
I don't think humans should run other humans.

no, you think an even less accountable, omnipotent AI should

Originally posted by Dolos
This isn't the Soviet Union. You can't just say it won't work just because totally different systems in the past have failed.

even the smallest of human endeavors are ruined with too much micromanagement, and TVP requires more top down micromanaging than North Korea

The setup is more hypercritical. The "autonomous systems, controlled by cybernated networks, monitoring and accounting for the sufficient resources" is not an omnipotent AI or even an emotional intelligence.

After it's setup, it's supposed to lessen micromanagement, to, well, nothing. To make it unnecessary.

the AI would be the micromanager, a situation arguably worse than humans being a micromanager...

Originally posted by Oliver North
the AI would be the micromanager, a situation arguably worse than humans being a micromanager...

Why are you paranoid of a billion nanoporccessors and quantum computers, without self-consciousness beyond knowing that it is the thing processing, processing information. This much iron we have, so it's available for the autonomous systems to produce this many iron products, so this many people can have said product.

A true causal AI comes into being when we use technology to transform ourselves into a truly self-aware thinking machine, a sentient mind superior to any quantum computer still. When we allow microscopic technology to replace what we're made of.

I would support the right to make mistakes over being directed by a Super-AI.

Originally posted by Dolos
Why are you paranoid of a billion nanoporccessors and quantum computers, without self-consciousness beyond knowing that it is the thing processing, processing information - in this case how best to keep production going?

A true causal AI comes into being when we use technology to transform ourselves into a truly self-aware thinking machine, a sentient mind superior to any quantum computer still. When we allow microscopic technology to replace what we're made of.

because my opposition to fascism has nothing to do with how smart the dictator is

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I would support the right to make mistakes over being directed by a Super-AI.

It's not directing people, it's directing the things that makes people homes, etc. Humans are designing everything, everything functions according to their designs, and there is no hierarchy at all.

Originally posted by Oliver North
because my opposition to fascism has nothing to do with how smart the dictator is

Dictator?

It dictates whether or not everyone can have a nice car, as opposed to money dictating it. It determines the standard of living based on what is available.

There is no law enforcement, there is automated defense systems, including drones that can keep everyone safe in case someone tries to use their fork as a weapon. The person is treated, the criminal is isolated until medical and psychologist HUMAN specialists can determine how best to correct or facilitate the criminal.

Originally posted by Dolos
Dictator?

the AI that tries to micromanage a top down economy

Originally posted by Dolos
It dictates whether or not everyone can have a nice car, as opposed to money dictating it. It determines the standard of living based on what is available.

i know, Dolos

Originally posted by Dolos
It's not directing people, it's directing the things that makes people homes, etc. Humans are designing everything, everything functions according to their designs, and there is no hierarchy at all.

I'm afraid they can't let you do that, Dave.

It was that or Logan's Run, not sure I picked correctly.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What if people want to make their own things without the AI's involvement?

Policies on what designs you can and can't have built would be discussed with an ethics committee. For instance, personal firearms would be unnecessary and you'd not get very far.

That's not hierarchy in the sense of laborer to chief officer. Nor in the sense of congressman or politician. There is no monetary incentive, therefore people will behave very differently, much more civilized.

This wouldn't be possible without this cybernated resource-based economy.

Money has a way of complicating politics, and ruining lives.

Originally posted by Dolos
Policies on what designs you can and can't have built would be discussed with an ethics committee. For instance, personal firearms would be unnecessary and you'd not get very far.

That's not hierarchy in the sense of laborer to chief officer. Nor in the sense of congressman or politician. There is no monetary incentive, therefore people will behave very differently, much more civilized.

This wouldn't be possible without this cybernated resource-based economy.

Money has a way of complicating politics, and ruining lives.

What if the ethics committee is corrupt? Or has some genocidal leanings? How is the ethics committee selected? How is it checked?

Money in politics is an issue, but it's not the issue alone, people can be terrible without monetary incentives.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What if the ethics committee is corrupt? Or has some genocidal leanings? How is the ethics committee selected? How is it checked?

Money in politics is an issue, but it's not the issue alone, people can be terrible without monetary incentives.

You're being silly.

How is it selected and checked? I'd guess as multi-culturally and accepting as possible. With a new wave of reason, and an emphasis on learning for our younger generations and on developing the sciences. Without money, free and independent thought are also more valued.

The biggest change comes from the removal of unethical, or menial jobs. Removal of socio-economic classes, everyone is on the same page, freed from so many stressers, freed from inequality, all able to enjoy the same living standard. Of course people will still find a way to be jealous or envious, but we'd be a billion times better. We'd have more free time than we'd know what to do with, our interests would turn to the stars, to colonizing other worlds, to creating great works of art and beautiful city-scapes. Designing new sports, etc.

As a technoprogressive society, we'd allow genetic engineering and Ray-tech to delete cancer cells or redesign dna after having mapped the human genome. A cure for cancer, lost limbs, and all birth defects waiting to be found and implemented.

A Utopia.

Originally posted by Dolos
You're being silly.

Am I though? Or are you perhaps hand waving genuine problems as being "silly" or taken care of by "cybernated AI wizard"?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Am I though? Or are you perhaps hand waving genuine problems as being "silly" or taken care of by "cybernated AI wizard"?

You're being silly.

Originally posted by Dolos
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."

The success rate for changing the world is pretty low.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The success rate for changing the world is pretty low.

What are you talking about? 100% of groups that changed the world were successful...

Originally posted by Bardock42
What are you talking about? 100% of groups that changed the world were successful...

By virtue of changing the world. lol.

I'm not saying that there's a 100% certainty the working city will be built. Who am I to do so?

Originally posted by Dolos
By virtue of changing the world. lol.

I'm not saying that there's a 100% certainty the working city will be built. Who am I to do so?