Originally posted by juggermanYes, he allowed himself to be beaten by Badass Smith. Smith was his negative charge no he needed to balance the equation. No one was greater than these two and Smith was clearly all powerful.
Was a one on one fight and he lost. ShamefulNeo tried to win. The machines destroying his body and Smith along with it was a last resort. Superman wins
Neo flies into Superman and ends him.
I don expect a response since newjak recently collared you, beta.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he allowed himself to be beaten by Badass Smith. Smith was his negative charge no he needed to balance the equation. No one was greater than these two and Smith was clearly all powerful.Neo flies into Superman and ends him.
I don expect a response since newjak recently collared you, beta.
He tried to win the fight and failed.
Negative. So far all we know is that attack works on programs not people.
This one didn't get out of hand.... yet
Originally posted by juggermanI am glad newjak is allowing you to respond. Thanks newjak.
He tried to win the fight and failed.Negative. So far all we know is that attack works on programs not people.
This one didn't get out of hand.... yet
No, he did not. It was inevitable. Beating one Smith doesn't change anything even had he won.
His powers are in effect. Programs take over people. Works on Superman since his powers work.
Neo wins. Flies into him. Easy win.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am glad newjak is allowing you to respond. Thanks newjak.No, he did not. It was inevitable. Beating one Smith doesn't change anything even had he won.
His powers are in effect. Programs take over people. Works on Superman since his powers work.
Neo wins. Flies into him. Easy win.
HE was only against one Smith. Beat one would have been winning
His power only affected Agents since we only see that. Can't just give it one of those no limits fallacies guy. And it was made clear later that Smith was his opposite which could be another reason it worked. Not the case here.
HV FTW
Originally posted by juggermanNo, as you clearly intended the circumstances therein. Smith took over the Matrix world. Neo couldn't win.
HE was only against one Smith. Beat one would have been winningHis power only affected Agents since we only see that. Can't just give it one of those no limits fallacies guy. And it was made clear later that Smith was his opposite which could be another reason it worked. Not the case here.
HV FTW
We see his powers destroy someone who was a person. Agents take over people.
I didn't. I said he did so to a person who the agent overtook.
Smith was defeated but not destroyed and as a result became more powerful unlike water tower ko boy.
Based on ?
Originally posted by FrothByteHow does Superman resist Neo flying inside and destroying him ?
Regarding the final fight between Neo and Smith... that wasn't just Smith he faced but Oracle/Smith. And in the end, Neo realized that the only way to destroy Smith was to allow himself to be defeated.Superman still wins this though.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How does Superman resist Neo flying inside and destroying him ?
As I mentioned in a previous post, if this fight happens outside the Matrix (as I believe the OP stated) then Neo has no power over his environment or against other people. He can't fly into Superman and destroy his programming because Superman isn't a program.
If the fight was happening inside the matrix however, then yeah, Neo just flies into Superman and deletes him.
Originally posted by FrothByte
As I mentioned in a previous post, if this fight happens outside the Matrix (as I believe the OP stated)
Originally posted by byrdgang21
Neo has all his abilities shown inn the Matrix.
Originally posted by byrdgang21
Neither are holding back. Fight is to the death.
Neo jumps into Kal's body and blows him up.
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Originally posted by FrothByteNeo has all the same abilities so its fair game. Would you like to change your mind now ?
As I mentioned in a previous post, if this fight happens outside the Matrix (as I believe the OP stated) then Neo has no power over his environment or against other people. He can't fly into Superman and destroy his programming because Superman isn't a program.If the fight was happening inside the matrix however, then yeah, Neo just flies into Superman and deletes him.
Neo has all the same abilities he has on himself. Does that equate to him being able to modify the real world like he does the Matrix?
He went in to Smith and made him explode because Smith was a program and Neo understood his code. How exactly is he going to do the same thing to Superman if Superman isn't a program?
In any case, I'd like the OP to clarify whether this is allowed or not. If it is allowed, then yes, Neo wins. He's fast enough to keep up with Supes and all he'll need to do is make him explode.
If it isn't allowed, then Neo loses due to inferior strength and durability.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, as you clearly intended the circumstances therein. Smith took over the Matrix world. Neo couldn't win.We see his powers destroy someone who was a person. Agents take over people.
I didn't. I said he did so to a person who the agent overtook.
Smith was defeated but not destroyed and as a result became more powerful unlike water tower ko boy.
Based on ?
It was one on one not Neo vs the entire world
A person an agent took over. Superman is not such
Again an agent controlled person. Even more so a person controlled by an agent that just happened to be the yang to Neo's yin. Or the yin to his yang. Whichever.
He was destroyed but returned. Once Smith became Neo's equal Neo fell
It being able to kill him
Originally posted by FrothByteSame powers so it has to be allowed.
Neo has all the same abilities he has on himself. Does that equate to him being able to modify the real world like he does the Matrix?He went in to Smith and made him explode because Smith was a program and Neo understood his code. How exactly is he going to do the same thing to Superman if Superman isn't a program?
In any case, I'd like the OP to clarify whether this is allowed or not. If it is allowed, then yes, Neo wins. He's fast enough to keep up with Supes and all he'll need to do is make him explode.
If it isn't allowed, then Neo loses due to inferior strength and durability.
Originally posted by juggermanYes, but Neo couldn't do anything had he won. It was Smiths world.
It was one on one not Neo vs the entire worldA person an agent took over. Superman is not such
Again an agent controlled person. Even more so a person controlled by an agent that just happened to be the yang to Neo's yin. Or the yin to his yang. Whichever.
He was destroyed but returned. Once Smith became Neo's equal Neo fell
It being able to kill him
Still a person that Neo defeated but who was more formidable than a person.
No, you have no idea and are just saying nuh uh.
Smith became his superior due to his copying abilities. He became as powerful when he copied the Oracle in one singular body.
Neo had no choice and it was the only way to stop Smith. He was all powerful in the Matrix.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, but Neo couldn't do anything had he won. It was Smiths world.Still a person that Neo defeated but who was more formidable than a person.
No, you have no idea and are just saying nuh uh.
Smith became his superior due to his copying abilities. He became as powerful when he copied the Oracle in one singular body.
Neo had no choice and it was the only way to stop Smith. He was all powerful in the Matrix.
Still a one on one fight. Neo could clearly do a lot seeing as how he had Smith on the ropes a few times
But not as formidable as Smith became later, or as formidable as Kal
If you say so
Smith wasn't as powerful as Kal
Cuz he lost the fight
Originally posted by juggermanYes, but he already knew it was inevitable.
Still a one on one fight. Neo could clearly do a lot seeing as how he had Smith on the ropes a few timesBut not as formidable as Smith became later, or as formidable as Kal
If you say so
Smith wasn't as powerful as Kal
Cuz he lost the fight
Smith was all powerful and Neo couldn't beat him as he overtook the Matrix itself.
Smith was far more powerful than Kal.
It was the only way to defeat Smith. He needed to balance the equation. You clearly didn't grasp the movie. Shocker.
Originally posted by NephthysHe flies into Superman and easily defeats him. Quit ignoring this clear fact that Superman cannot resist this attack.
Too close to call imo. Neo had some seriously insane feats in that final battle. He took that last ground smash like a champ and was merely out of breath. That crater was huge, I doubt Supes can really hurt him all that much. But I'd need to rewatch MoS to really make a call either way.