Superman (MOS) vs. Neo

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, but he already knew it was inevitable.

Smith was all powerful and Neo couldn't beat him as he overtook the Matrix itself.

Smith was far more powerful than Kal.

It was the only way to defeat Smith. He needed to balance the equation. You clearly didn't grasp the movie. Shocker.

Having Smith on the ropes mean it was not impossible for Neo to beat him

Neo could not beat all the Smiths but he had a shot at taking one out

Negative

I grasped it just fine. You're clearly not grasping what i'm saying to you. Not a shocker at all

Originally posted by juggerman
Having Smith on the ropes mean it was not impossible for Neo to beat him

Neo could not beat all the Smiths but he had a shot at taking one out

Negative

I grasped it just fine. You're clearly not grasping what i'm saying to you. Not a shocker at all

Based on ?

Positive.

If you feel beating the one Smith would have solved the problem then you clearly did not grasp it. Maybe in your world Neo liked being beat up by men. Maybe according to juggs it was a fetish like the Kirk choke me please fetish.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He flies into Superman and easily defeats him. Quit ignoring this clear fact that Superman cannot resist this attack.

I'm not ignoring it. That was my first post on the topic, I just didn't mention it. I guess Neo could do that, although he never does it passed that one time so I'd question if it really is something he can just do whenever he wants.

Although personally I think it wouldn't work on Superman since he isn't actually a part of the Matrix.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not ignoring it. That was my first post on the topic, I just didn't mention it. I guess Neo could do that, although he never does it passed that one time so I'd question if it really is something he can just do whenever he wants.

Although personally I think it wouldn't work on Superman since he isn't actually a part of the Matrix.

Because Supes isn't a part of the Matrix. He can't jump into him because he's actual flesh and bones instead of a Matrix construct.

Neo wins 5.5/10.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it was because even beating Oracle Smith wouldn't have beaten him. He was everything. We don't even know Oracle Smith could be defeated.

Based on ?

Positive.

If you feel beating the one Smith would have solved the problem then you clearly did not grasp it. Maybe in your world Neo liked being beat up by men. Maybe according to juggs it was a fetish like the Kirk choke me please fetish.

I didn't say it would have. Please try to follow along with what i'm actually saying instead of your strawmanned version

The fight itself

Nope. Smith never showed power on Kal's level

Again i never said beating one Smith would have solved anything. Wow two strawmen in on point. Your trolling is growing

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because Supes isn't a part of the Matrix. He can't jump into him because he's actual flesh and bones instead of a Matrix construct.

Sincerely, Mr. Objective

Originally posted by juggerman
I didn't say it would have. Please try to follow along with what i'm actually saying instead of your strawmanned version

The fight itself

Nope. Smith never showed power on Kal's level

Again i never said beating one Smith would have solved anything. Wow two strawmen in on point. Your trolling is growing

We don't see Smith ever in danger of losing.

Far superior as his power and collateral damage was greater. Smith was fine whereas towers have ko'd Clark.

Then you just destroyed your point. Neo's only chance to defeat Smith was allow himself to be copied.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
It does not matter as his powers are still the same as they are in the system as outside of it here. Read the op and begin to understand. Pm me an apology immediately. Ill be here for a while....

Sincerely, Mr. Objective

His powers are the same. That doesn't mean they would affect things in the real world the same way. He can't jump into Kal because Kal isn't literally made out of the Matrix like Smith was. He's meat. Neo can't leap into meat, it doesn't work that way. We see his powers don't work on things in the real world except in regards to the machines (seeing Smith, shutting down squid things).

Neo tries to jump into Kal and bounces off his huge manly chest. Deal with it fanboy. 😎

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then why would Neo try to win when it wouldn't defeat him but allowing himself to be copied would defeat him. I mean wtf.

We don't see Smith ever in danger of losing.

Far superior as his power and collateral damage was greater. Smith was fine whereas towers have ko'd Clark.

Then you just destroyed your point. Neo's only chance to defeat Smith was allow himself to be copied.

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Why not just walk in and allow Smith to absorb him if he knew there was no other way?

We do. He even does which is why he gets pissed.

Kal went thru much more punishment than Smith and was fine.

I did not. You just have reading comp problems. Ok let's try this again: Neo could not defeat Smith as a whole(every single Smith in the Matrix) but he had the chance to defeat the one he was fighting. Not it would not have solved anything but that's not the point. Follow now? Probably not

Originally posted by Nephthys
His powers are the same. That doesn't mean they would affect things in the real world the same way. He can't jump into Kal because Kal isn't literally made out of the Matrix like Smith was. He's meat. Neo can't leap into meat, it doesn't work that way. We see his powers don't work on things in the real world except in regards to the machines (seeing Smith, shutting down squid things).

Neo tries to jump into Kal and bounces off his huge manly chest. Deal with it fanboy. 😎

Smith was in a person who is flesh in the system. When the agents are killed the people die.

Superman dies. At least he doesn't need to fail any more father figures. Mercy kill.

Originally posted by juggerman
Why not just walk in and allow Smith to absorb him if he knew there was no other way?

We do. He even does which is why he gets pissed.

Kal went thru much more punishment than Smith and was fine.

I did not. You just have reading comp problems. Ok let's try this again: Neo could not defeat Smith as a whole(every single Smith in the Matrix) but he had the chance to defeat the one he was fighting. Not it would not have solved anything but that's not the point. Follow now? Probably not

He's angry Neo is resisting and the fact Hes choosing to. Smith knows Neo knows its pointless and he can't beat him which infuriates him.

Wrong. Ko'd by a tower. 😂 lasers rocked him. Faora beat him down. Etc.

That doesn't prove anything. Smith already knew he beat Neo as Oracle Smith. That's the way it was going down. Try grasping what you watch.

Sincerely,

Mr. Objective

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they are since his powers are the same as they are in the Matrix. You clearly don't grasp an easy to grasp op or is it due to the fact you love the new crapfest Man of Steel.

Smith was in a person who is flesh in the system. When the agents are killed the people die.

Superman dies. At least he doesn't need to fail any more father figures. Mercy kill.

Nope. You lose, gg.

The people die because they're connected to the Matrix and their minds make what happens in the Matrix real. They're not actually there you goon.This was a basic concept in the first movie but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you missed it. Being a huge dork and all.

At least Superman actually saved his love interest. Sorry Trinity, looks like the chosen one wasn't enough.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He had to deceive Smith. He almost did not fall for it.

He's angry Neo is resisting and the fact Hes choosing to. Smith knows Neo knows its pointless and he can't beat him which infuriates him.

Wrong. Ko'd by a tower. 😂 lasers rocked him. Faora beat him down. Etc.

That doesn't prove anything. Smith already knew he beat Neo as Orqcle Smith. That's the way it was going down. Try grasping hat you watch.

Sincerely,

Mr. Objective

Smith tried to do it the first chance he got in Reloaded. It's likely he'd jump at the opportunity if Neo just gave himself up

It's pointless to resist since Smith took over. Even if Neo won the single fight he could not fully defeat Smith.

Took gravity beam like a champ. Jumped by two super beings and stood his ground. Way more than Smith showed

It proves everything. Smith was corrupted by the Oracle. What he thought he saw was not what he thought he saw

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nope. You lose, gg.

The people die because they're connected to the Matrix and their minds make what happens in the Matrix real. They're not actually there you goon.This was a basic concept in the first movie but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you missed it. Being a huge dork and all.

At least Superman actually saved his love interest. Sorry Trinity, looks like the chosen one wasn't enough.

They die when he jumps into them as his powers work the same way here they did in the Matrix.

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Superman Didnt save his step father or his fathers consciousness.

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Neo did save her once. He just didn't save her twice. Supermans gf had to save his weak ass.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You already lost. Keep running.

They die when he jumps into them as his powers work the same way here they did in the Matrix.

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Superman Didnt save his step father or his fathers consciousness.

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Neo did save her once. He just didn't save her twice. Supermans gf had to save his weak ass.

Lmao, step out of the Matrix and into the real world. My eyes are open mother****er.

Nope, the OP just says that he has the same abilities, not that they work the same way. Learn to read gg.

Who cares, they were old anyway. You know who Supes did save? Himself. He didn't lose his fight like Neo did. Maybe if he'd remember that jump inside them trick instead of getting handled by Smith like a chump.

And which of the two is getting laid? Oh, right the couple who are both alive instead of both dead.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lmao, step out of the Matrix and into the real world. My eyes are open mother****er.

Nope, the OP just says that he has the same abilities, not that they work the same way. Learn to read gg.

Who cares, they were old anyway. You know who Supes did save? Himself. He didn't lose his fight like Neo did. Maybe if he'd remember that jump inside them trick instead of getting handled by Smith like a chump.

And which of the two is getting laid? Oh, right the couple who are both alive instead of both dead.

He loved them. He let his step dad die. He's a coward. Neo had no choice but to sacrifice himself. You chastise someone for willingly giving himself up to stop Smith.

Superman isn't heroic enough to do something like this. I agree completely with you there.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Same abilities means they work the same. Otherwise he can't fly, etc. in the real world. Think. Your own logic means none of those abilities work outside the system.

He loved them. He let his step dad die. He's a coward. Neo had no choice but to sacrifice himself. You chastise someone for willingly giving himself up to stop Smith.

Superman isn't heroic enough to do something like this. I agree completely with you there.

They work on himself since he's still attached to the Matrix. His powers still work for himself, but the OP doesn't say that he's still the godlike entity with control over reality that is is only inside the Matrix. Superman isn't connected to the Matrix, thus he isn't a construct that Neo has complete control over.

He had no choice because he got his ass kicked. Superman wouldn't get into that situation because he's not a sissy child like Neo is.

Nah, hes only heroic enough to save the human race without sacrificing himself at all. Plus he did give himself up to Zod.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They work on himself since he's still attached to the Matrix. His powers still work for himself, but the OP doesn't say that he's still the godlike entity with control over reality that is is only inside the Matrix. Superman isn't connected to the Matrix, thus he isn't a construct that Neo has complete control over.

He had no choice because he got his ass kicked. Superman wouldn't get into that situation because he's not a sissy child like Neo is.

Nah, hes only heroic enough to save the human race without sacrificing himself at all. Plus he did give himself up to Zod.

Smith was all powerful and I agree Superman wouldn't even face him. 🙂

Superman was defeated and needed Jor El's help. He also failed as he killed Zod which goes against his values.

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