Originally posted by ares834
It wasn't merely a longer charge. The lightning Thor summoned down was significantly thicker than any bolt he has been shown summoning before.Perhaps it didn't serve as a battery but as a lightning rod to help him summon more. I don't really know. The fact is, Thor has never displayed such power and intensity before and the fact that he is awkwardly situated on top of a metallic tower which he makes surge with electricity doesn't seem to be a coincidence.
Straw man.
Actually the bolt of lightning was about as thick as the one he used in Jotunheim. Looking at it closer, the one in Jotunheim actually looks even thicker. The only difference is that he used the Jotunheim lightning in a concentrated burst whereas he dispersed the one in Avengers into multiple targets.
As him being awkwardly situated at the top of a metallic tower, that's probably because he wanted a good vantage point to launch an attack. The building was the highest one right below the portal, and it gave him firm footing to launch an attack. I also believe that the steel tower allowed him to get a wider range in his attack allowing the lightning to branch off the steel and strike more targets.
But the tower didn't have anything to do with the power of lighting itself. It just helped redirect it (as is what a lightning rod is supposed to do).
Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually the bolt of lightning was about as thick as the one he used in Jotunheim. Actually the one in Jotunheim looks even thicker. The only difference is he used the Jotunheim lightning in an omnidirectional assault whereas he dispersed the one in Avengers into multiple targets.
Got a clip?
Originally posted by FrothByte
But the tower didn't have anything to do with the power of lighting itself. It just helped redirect it (as is what a lightning rod is supposed to do).
What do you mean by this?
Edit: Watched it on Netflix. We don't get a clear view of the lightning that strikes Thor's hammer.
Originally posted by ares834
Unfortunately for you that's all you're going to get. I'd also like proof that it wasn't amped as well, but I'm not going to get that either. Heck, now that I think of it, I haven't even seen any evidence that he could normally use that.
Your side claimed it was amped, that means the burden is on you. I get that you can't prove it, but that is hardly my fault, nor does it shift the burden to me.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Your side claimed it was amped, that means the burden is on you. I get that you can't prove it, but that is hardly my fault, nor does it shift the burden to me.
We've already provided evidence and an argument that it was amped.
lol
That's proof. Perhaps not fact, but proof.
Originally posted by ares834
We've already provided evidence and an argument that it was amped.lol
No, you've provided speculation. The difference in "thickness" is easily explained by the fact that Thor called down lightning for a longer period of time in that scene. So your argument is literally, the building amped his lightning because I say so.
Originally posted by ares834
Got a clip?What do you mean by this?
Here's a clip from him in the Avengers:
YouTube video
And here's the jotunheim smash:
YouTube video
When Thor first calls down his lightning in Jotunheim it's about as thick/thin as his normal lightning, but just as he detonates it it thickens significantly.
As for what I mean about the lightning rod, a lightning rod can redirect electricity. The longer the lightning rod the longer you can make electricity travel through it. So I'm inclined to believe that the steel tower allowed him to increase the range of his lightning. You'll also see as the smaller ships approach Thor that the electricity running on the building strikes them. But the power/voltage of the electricity still comes from Thor. The tower just helps disperse it.
In short, I believe that the tower "amplified" his lightning in a sense that it allowed him to hit more targets, but it did not amplify the power/charge of the lightning itself. Does that make sense?
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you've provided speculation. The difference in "thickness" is easily explained by the fact that Thor called down lightning for a longer period of time in that scene. So your argument is literally, the building amped his lightning because I say so.
It's based on common sense. Why else would he awkwardly position himself on top of a metallic skyscraper other than it somehow helped his lightning. Heck, once again we see the electricity course though it. In fact the camera zooms out so we see this happening suggesting that it is of some importance. Also, that he channeled for a longer period of time doesn't equate to it being thicker when he summoned it.
Originally posted by Newjak
Quick poll of people...When I saw Superman use his heat vision am I the only that thought it looked like it caused him pain to use it?
Agreed, he acted as if he had an explosive headache, i'm pretty sure he'll get used to it, kinda like Wolvie having to tear his skin EVERY time he needs to use his claws. You know it hurts but its pain you can adapt to.
Originally posted by ares834
It's based on common sense. While else would he awkwardly position himself on top of a metallic skyscraper other than it somehow helped his lightning. Heck, once again we see the electricity course though it. In fact the camera zooms out so we see this happening suggesting that it is of some importance. Also, that he channeled for a longer period of time doesn't equate to it being thicker when he summoned it.
Because it offered the best, closest and least obstructed view of the portal, which makes it the best place to launch a ranged attack at multiple targets.
Originally posted by FrothByte
When Thor first calls down his lightning in Jotunheim it's about as thick/thin as his normal lightning, but just as he detonates it it thickens significantly.
Ah. Ok. I really wouldn't say that's comparable due to the difference in the technique.
Originally posted by FrothByte
As for what I mean about the lightning rod, a lightning rod can redirect electricity. The longer the lightning rod the longer you can make electricity travel through it. So I'm inclined to believe that the steel tower allowed him to increase the range of his lightning. You'll also see as the smaller ships approach Thor that the electricity running on the building strikes them. But the power/voltage of the electricity still comes from Thor. The tower just helps disperse it.In short, I believe that the tower "amplified" his lightning in a sense that it allowed him to hit more targets, but it did not amplify the power/charge of the lightning itself. Does that make sense?
Perhaps. And I could certainly see it being a possibility. BTW, I'm not arguing that the tower didn't increase the voltage or something like that. Rather that it allows him to control/channel all the lightning that he did.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Because it offered the best, closest and least obstructed view of the portal, which makes it the best place to launch a ranged attack at multiple targets.
And yet, as Rob pointed out, there were other buildings that were just as suitable and didn't require him to be holding on to it like a monkey.
Originally posted by ares834
And yet, as Rob pointed out. There were other building that were just as suitable and didn't require him to be holding on to it like a monkey.
Only that isn't true...the building he used was the tallest in the area and thus offered the best view and put him closer which means the aliens would have less time to dodge.
Also, that he channeled for a longer period of time doesn't equate to it being thicker when he summoned it
Wait, so now you're arguing that Thor standing on the building allowed him to summon thicker lightning from the sky...that is an even dumber argument that saying that lightning running through a bulding amps it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Wait, so now you're arguing that Thor standing on the building allowed him to summon thicker lightning from the sky...that is an even dumber argument that saying that lightning running through a bulding amps it.
Um, that's what I've been saying this entire time. The building allowed him to channel more lightning than normal. Hence it "amps" him.
Originally posted by ares834
Um, that's what I've been saying this entire time. The building allowed him to channel more lightning than normal. Hence it "amps" him.
I'm sorry, but arguing that standing on a building somehow amps lightning that isn't touching it yet, is just so retarded that I can no longer take you seriously.
Originally posted by ares834
lol what?That's not what I said at all.
That is exactly what you said
Also, that he channeled for a longer period of time doesn't equate to it being thicker when he summoned it
The lightning didn't touch the building until after Thor summoned it, yet you stated that the lightning he summoned was already thicker than normal.